How can you tell this artificial toning

maddox · February 4, 2003 12:17AM

Searching for my next obsession and came across this listing on ebay, at least the guy is VERY honest.

How can you tell the toning on this coin is artificial? Are there any books or websites that deal with toning and how to spot the fakes?

How do they do it? I ask this question for no other reason than to educate myself, if I know what they do, I can spot it....Hopefully

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jbsteven · February 4, 2003 12:20AM

the colors are just not "right"

how many times did he say AT?

nwcs · February 4, 2003 12:22AM

The color sequence is wrong. Some of the colors crawl up from the field, over the devices and back down again. There is not a smooth even transition between colors. Looking at LIBERTY, you can see how the color goes up and in and over again.

Jamericon · February 4, 2003 12:23AM

The colors look flat and there is no luster underneath the toning.

dwood · February 4, 2003 12:23AM

I wouldn't buy from that guy for all the AT Morgans in the world

Maddox, that's Russ...and I've been smiling about that auction all week. You gotta love his sense of humor, [ARTIFICIAL] though it may be

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Russ · February 4, 2003 2:38AM

That coin does look familiar.

I'm starting to get worried that it's going to make reserve this time around, though.

Russ, NCNE

wallstreetman · February 4, 2003 2:40AM

All toning is artificial, Silver is originally blast white! Just make sure the luster is there!

dwood · February 4, 2003 2:42AM

It is a good looking [ARTIFICIALLY] toned coin. One of those "I know its AT, but I just like the way it looks" jobs

Russ, you sound like you'd hate to see it go? I can see why

Russ · February 4, 2003 2:51AM

David,

I'm actually torn on that. I bought it just so I could run this auction from time to time and have a little fun, so I set a reserve at a lot more than it's worth. If somebody wants to pay it, I'll let it go, but than I'd have to find another with which to have some fun.

Russ, NCNE

TomB · February 4, 2003 7:07AM

AT and perhaps even AU. I didn't read the auction description by Russ so I don't know if it is purported to be MS or not, I'm just going by the image provided.

As for toning, I would strongly suggest that you look at hundreds or thousands of toned coins in PCGS, NGC, ICG and ANACS slabs and get a good feel for the "look" and then you will be able to spot coins that just don't look right.

By the way, I have been posting for quite some time and have in my signature line a little blurb that may help all of you with questions about toning.

Barry · February 4, 2003 7:20AM

Russ,
Do you take credit cards through Paypal?

homerunhall · February 4, 2003 7:24AM

The color's not right. The purple is too bright and reddish...the green too dull. The white part doesn't look lustrous. The best way to tell is to have three or four coins with real toning for comparison. If that is not possible, I suggest you never buy toned coins raw...David

Android · February 4, 2003 7:45AM

Here is a thread that our very own Coinguy1 (Mark Feld) posted today with a very good example of natual toning, and a brief primer on what to look for:

Natural Toning Example with Explanation

Looking at the difference between the two is really educational!

Andy

Russ · February 4, 2003 7:47AM

<< <i>I didn't read the auction description by Russ so I don't know if it is purported to be MS or not. >>

It's purported to be nothing but [ARTIFICIAL]

Russ, NCNE

littlewicher · February 4, 2003 7:53AM

Some of these AT pieces look pretty cool, actually.

dorkkarl · February 4, 2003 8:07AM

<< <i>How can you tell the toning on this coin is artificial? >>

how do you define natural toning?

K S

Russ · February 4, 2003 8:29AM

Here's Karl's definition of the only "real" toning:

Russ, NCNE

dorkkarl · February 4, 2003 9:09AM

yup! (for a business-strike silver half-dollar)

but i'm open to suggestions. why don't other forum members ever give out their def'n for natural-toning (or artificial toning)???

K S

Morganluver · February 4, 2003 11:08AM

I'll give it a shot. My defination of a naturally toned coin.

ANY color on ANY coin formed in a natural and or numismatically acceptable environment such as but not limited to mint bags or any other mint produced housing or holder, paper rolls, albums, coin envelopes, or any other type coinage holders specifically produced for coin storage or display, holders produced for businesses(usually banks) to house coins for promotional purposes where no added accelerant, with specific intent to produce oxidation, such as but not limited to chemicals or heat or any other unnatural or toxic atmosphere harmful to humans has been applied.

Any coin toned within these parameters is "natural" to me. However, some coins, even though toned naturally as per "my" defination may still get body bagged because it may not have todays "market acceptable" look. This is my opinion.

Morganluver · February 4, 2003 11:45AM

Would anyone else like to give their defination?

dorkkarl · February 4, 2003 10:10PM

ttt

maddox, any chance you might want to retitle as "how can you define artificial toning?

K S

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