@grote15 said:
The internet has its way of meting out its own brand of social justice in many cases and in this case deservedly so.
As it turned out, the father made the right call by handing the ball back to the incensed fan and received way more in the process by doing so than one stinking ball. A good lesson for his son in de-escalation in the face of a nut, too.
I see, and if someone swooped in from ten rows over, and snatched a Jerry Grote home run ball from your grasp, right in front of your Shea Stadium seat, I guess you'd be okay with it?
Well I wouldn't be okay with that, even if it was only from Ed Kranepool. 😉
Come on, Steve, surely you know an errant ball is not rightfully "owned" until the mad scramble for its procurement has concluded! That is ballpark etiquette 101 along with buying peanuts and crackerjack. Doesn't matter where you're sitting.
Tim, you mention the word "etiquette." I just don't see that being displayed by this guy. I see behavior that is rude, being in a place he shouldn't have been, sort of similar to cutting in line at a grocery store. Then once he got there, bullied the woman by snatching the ball away from her. I have read elsewhere, she has stated that she had her hands on the ball.
I hope you didn't buy that tale the guy told on his video about, paraphrase, teaching his son a lesson in diffusing a situation or however he said it. I agree with him on that overall point. However I think the actual reason for him giving back the ball was he knew what he did to that woman was wrong.
In any event, both sides seem happy about the outcome, that's the main thing. I read here and elsewhere that she was offered 5k for the ball. I don't think she will take the offer. I know I wouldn't take 5k or even a lot more for my Pete Rose ball, and I could always use the extra money to buy more cards and coins. LOL
Bullying? I didn't see that at all, just a fan going after a ball like so many have done thousands of times in the past but maybe you are just a bit more sensitive than I am LOL.
I already clearly stated how I feel about a woman being physically bullied. Unacceptable for any reason. I am dam sensitive about that.
I'm not saying you aren't towards women, I believe you would agree with me on that. We just have a different opinion about the situation. No problem, and I always enjoy your point of view.
Likewise. And obviously I dont condone the physically bullying of women, either. But (imho) this wasn't that. Quite the opposite, actually, again imho.
Well to wrap it up, I guess it depends on if her side of the story is believable or not? I happen to believe her and I'll tell ya why. It's close, but it seems like she beat him to the ball. IE she had her hands on the ball first. I absolutely believe that, and I think the guy knows that as well. The situation is, don't forget that women generally have smaller hands than men and also not as strong. She perhaps had trouble griping it off the ground, and the guy basically then snatched it from her.
Now did she have "full control" of the ball? Perhaps not. Some if not most are saying that there must be full control of the ball for it to be your ball. Well that may be tradition, but even if it was a law, there are always mitigating circumstances behind most laws. For example, a husband driving over the speed limit to rush his wife in labor to the hospital, normally wouldn't receive a speeding ticket.
So I believe the facts are she had her hands on the ball first, but maybe couldn't quite totally grip it and it may have slipped out a little bit. However the ball was right at her seat which during the game is her domain, and she likely felt there was no hurry in picking it up at that point because common sense dictates it's her ball. Therefore Judge stevek is officially awarding her the ball. That's my final ruling. Case closed.
You're not wrapping it up. You'll be back.
Come on, quote the correct movie. That line is from The Terminator. 😉
Even more joyful is you can read it again as you're celebrating Festivus in the upcoming holiday season.
Festivus is a secular holiday made famous by Seinfeld, celebrated on December 23rd as an alternative to the pressures of the Christmas season, featuring traditions such as an unadorned aluminum pole instead of a tree, an "airing of grievances" where people complain about their disappointments, a simple Festivus dinner, and the "feats of strength," a wrestling match that ends the celebration.
"airing of grievances"
not
"mocking of ridiculousness"
I hope you have a Happy Festivus!
You're the one "grieving" over it, not me. The premise that the family is upset because they didn't get the ball. Well the family wound up getting a lot more, so why not be happy for them.
Even more joyful is you can read it again as you're celebrating Festivus in the upcoming holiday season.
Festivus is a secular holiday made famous by Seinfeld, celebrated on December 23rd as an alternative to the pressures of the Christmas season, featuring traditions such as an unadorned aluminum pole instead of a tree, an "airing of grievances" where people complain about their disappointments, a simple Festivus dinner, and the "feats of strength," a wrestling match that ends the celebration.
"airing of grievances"
not
"mocking of ridiculousness"
I hope you have a Happy Festivus!
You're the one "grieving" over it, not me. The premise that the family is upset because they didn't get the ball. Well the family wound up getting a lot more, so why not be happy for them.
If you're taking this as anything other than lighthearted banter please reconsider your perspective. I think the situation worked out fine. They gave the ball to the lady... they got a bat and, more importantly, the experience itself. The lady seems like a dolt and I bet she has trouble with roundabouts. Your material on "fan code with HR balls" is classic steve and I expect nothing less.
Even more joyful is you can read it again as you're celebrating Festivus in the upcoming holiday season.
Festivus is a secular holiday made famous by Seinfeld, celebrated on December 23rd as an alternative to the pressures of the Christmas season, featuring traditions such as an unadorned aluminum pole instead of a tree, an "airing of grievances" where people complain about their disappointments, a simple Festivus dinner, and the "feats of strength," a wrestling match that ends the celebration.
"airing of grievances"
not
"mocking of ridiculousness"
I hope you have a Happy Festivus!
You're the one "grieving" over it, not me. The premise that the family is upset because they didn't get the ball. Well the family wound up getting a lot more, so why not be happy for them.
If you're taking this as anything other than lighthearted banter please reconsider your perspective. I think the situation worked out fine. They gave the ball to the lady... they got a bat and, more importantly, the experience itself. The lady seems like a dolt and I bet she has trouble with roundabouts. Your material on "fan code with HR balls" is classic steve and I expect nothing less.
I've stated a number of times over the years, that I enjoy this forum and every single member on here. I enjoy the sports smack whether it's given or received. To me it's all part of the fun of being a sports fan, and I've been that way since my earliest recollection.
I've also previously stated that I've never met a coin or card collector who I didn't like, and I've never changed my mind about that. 😊
I also enjoy posting on political forums. Now that can get very rough. I've been called names that I've never even heard of before. Posts come in from around the world and I figure whatever the guy said, it's probably a gross insult in their particular country. As we all know, that's not allowed here, and I fully agree with that. This hobby is just too great to tarnish it with junk such as that.
Secondly, I don't think when that woman went over to rightly get her ball back, she knew that the guy has given it to his kid.
so, we somehow know the size of this woman's hands
and that the ball was in them at one point
without footage
without actually being there
yet she didn't realize the little boy had the ball in his glove when the dad pulled it out and handed it to her
when she was 2 feet away
is it time for a plea deal yet?
The evidence isn't crystal clear one way or the other as far as exactly how the ball was picked up. I judge it from behavior and intent after it happened, and in my view all that clearly favors the woman. Which is why I ruled in her favor.
Well this will be my final post in this thread. I've got too much great stuff going to continue with this nonsense. My Eagles are coming off a beautiful Super Bowl championship, and won their first game of this season against the Cowboys. My Phillies are doing great and one of the WS favorites to possibly go all the way. And my alma mater Penn State is ranked #2.
@stevek said:
Well this will be my final post in this thread. I've got too much great stuff going to continue with this nonsense. My Eagles are coming off a beautiful Super Bowl championship, and won their first game of this season against the Cowboys. My Phillies are doing great and one of the WS favorites to possibly go all the way. And my alma mater Penn State is ranked #2.
Life is good. 😎
So this joke was told to me by someone who lives in Pittsburgh, which is a wonderful city, unlike Philadelphia, which is the answer to the question; What would happen if an entire city just gave up?
So it goes.
Why do Penn State graduates always leave their diploma on their dashboard?
@grote15 said:
The internet has its way of meting out its own brand of social justice in many cases and in this case deservedly so.
As it turned out, the father made the right call by handing the ball back to the incensed fan and received way more in the process by doing so than one stinking ball. A good lesson for his son in de-escalation in the face of a nut, too.
I see, and if someone swooped in from ten rows over, and snatched a Jerry Grote home run ball from your grasp, right in front of your Shea Stadium seat, I guess you'd be okay with it?
Well I wouldn't be okay with that, even if it was only from Ed Kranepool. 😉
Come on, Steve, surely you know an errant ball is not rightfully "owned" until the mad scramble for its procurement has concluded! That is ballpark etiquette 101 along with buying peanuts and crackerjack. Doesn't matter where you're sitting.
Tim, you mention the word "etiquette." I just don't see that being displayed by this guy. I see behavior that is rude, being in a place he shouldn't have been, sort of similar to cutting in line at a grocery store. Then once he got there, bullied the woman by snatching the ball away from her. I have read elsewhere, she has stated that she had her hands on the ball.
I hope you didn't buy that tale the guy told on his video about, paraphrase, teaching his son a lesson in diffusing a situation or however he said it. I agree with him on that overall point. However I think the actual reason for him giving back the ball was he knew what he did to that woman was wrong.
In any event, both sides seem happy about the outcome, that's the main thing. I read here and elsewhere that she was offered 5k for the ball. I don't think she will take the offer. I know I wouldn't take 5k or even a lot more for my Pete Rose ball, and I could always use the extra money to buy more cards and coins. LOL
Bullying? I didn't see that at all, just a fan going after a ball like so many have done thousands of times in the past but maybe you are just a bit more sensitive than I am LOL.
I already clearly stated how I feel about a woman being physically bullied. Unacceptable for any reason. I am dam sensitive about that.
I'm not saying you aren't towards women, I believe you would agree with me on that. We just have a different opinion about the situation. No problem, and I always enjoy your point of view.
Likewise. And obviously I dont condone the physically bullying of women, either. But (imho) this wasn't that. Quite the opposite, actually, again imho.
Well to wrap it up, I guess it depends on if her side of the story is believable or not? I happen to believe her and I'll tell ya why. It's close, but it seems like she beat him to the ball. IE she had her hands on the ball first. I absolutely believe that, and I think the guy knows that as well. The situation is, don't forget that women generally have smaller hands than men and also not as strong. She perhaps had trouble griping it off the ground, and the guy basically then snatched it from her.
Now did she have "full control" of the ball? Perhaps not. Some if not most are saying that there must be full control of the ball for it to be your ball. Well that may be tradition, but even if it was a law, there are always mitigating circumstances behind most laws. For example, a husband driving over the speed limit to rush his wife in labor to the hospital, normally wouldn't receive a speeding ticket.
So I believe the facts are she had her hands on the ball first, but maybe couldn't quite totally grip it and it may have slipped out a little bit. However the ball was right at her seat which during the game is her domain, and she likely felt there was no hurry in picking it up at that point because common sense dictates it's her ball. Therefore Judge stevek is officially awarding her the ball. That's my final ruling. Case closed.
I'm just wondering how you know what size her hands are.
When one day you finally get a date with a woman and hold her hand. You'll find out. 😉
Too late but nice try.
I wasn't thinking about hand holding anyway...so I guess your comment backfired lmao!
You probably could have said, "What can I say, I made her hands look small."
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Come on, quote the correct movie. That line is from The Terminator. 😉
You're the one "grieving" over it, not me. The premise that the family is upset because they didn't get the ball. Well the family wound up getting a lot more, so why not be happy for them.
If you're taking this as anything other than lighthearted banter please reconsider your perspective. I think the situation worked out fine. They gave the ball to the lady... they got a bat and, more importantly, the experience itself. The lady seems like a dolt and I bet she has trouble with roundabouts. Your material on "fan code with HR balls" is classic steve and I expect nothing less.
I've stated a number of times over the years, that I enjoy this forum and every single member on here. I enjoy the sports smack whether it's given or received. To me it's all part of the fun of being a sports fan, and I've been that way since my earliest recollection.
I've also previously stated that I've never met a coin or card collector who I didn't like, and I've never changed my mind about that. 😊
I also enjoy posting on political forums. Now that can get very rough. I've been called names that I've never even heard of before. Posts come in from around the world and I figure whatever the guy said, it's probably a gross insult in their particular country. As we all know, that's not allowed here, and I fully agree with that. This hobby is just too great to tarnish it with junk such as that.
The evidence isn't crystal clear one way or the other as far as exactly how the ball was picked up. I judge it from behavior and intent after it happened, and in my view all that clearly favors the woman. Which is why I ruled in her favor.
Sorry no plea deal. 😂
Well this will be my final post in this thread. I've got too much great stuff going to continue with this nonsense. My Eagles are coming off a beautiful Super Bowl championship, and won their first game of this season against the Cowboys. My Phillies are doing great and one of the WS favorites to possibly go all the way. And my alma mater Penn State is ranked #2.
Life is good. 😎
So this joke was told to me by someone who lives in Pittsburgh, which is a wonderful city, unlike Philadelphia, which is the answer to the question; What would happen if an entire city just gave up?
So it goes.
Why do Penn State graduates always leave their diploma on their dashboard?
...
So they can park in handicap spots!
Ha Ha Ha.
Jerry Stiller was a national treasure
"you couldn't smooth a silk sheet if you had a hot date with a babe..........................i lost my train of thought"
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Too late but nice try.
I wasn't thinking about hand holding anyway...so I guess your comment backfired lmao!
You probably could have said, "What can I say, I made her hands look small."