Admittedly, I've only sat in the outfield stands one time at the Vet, and it was a long time ago. However, I think I told this story before. Greg Luzinski hits a home run ball, that I knew right off his bat, from years of playing outfield, that it was coming my way. I would have absolutely loved to have had that ball. Sadly it didn't quite make it to me, but it landed only maybe five or six seats over and one row below me.
I gave no thought whatsoever to climbing over people to try to get that ball. However from what I've been reading here and elsewhere, perhaps I should have. Maybe on the way to get to the ball, I should have pepper sprayed all the fans to better my chance of getting it. 🤣
Ball mania just does weird stuff to regular folks. I think we all have this image in our minds of what will happen with the next BIG accomplishment as was the anticipation of last year's Ohtani 50-50, also in Miami. We used to just get excited over holding a real live MLB scuffed up piece of the game. Now it's folks looking for the league's on-site authenticator and hoping for a link to the clubhouse so they can gather up their goodie bags.
Perhaps some of you have a point. I've attended hundreds of Phillies games over the years. My Dad did a lot of business with the Phillies. The Phillies business office, including the team owner, knew my Dad on a first name basis. He also had as mentioned before, four beautiful season tickets between home plate and the third place line, nearer to home plate. Arguably some of the best seats in the house. He had those seats for around 20 years.
So perhaps I was spoiled in that regard, I admit it. And perhaps "behavior" which wouldn't be tolerated in my seating area, is more prevalent in the outfield seats? That may sound snobbish and if it does, well then so be it, or maybe it sounds trollish. LOL
Some have stated they've been to ballparks many times. Well so have I. There is an unspoken rule of cordiality amongst the fans, even on a home run ball. That guy clearly violated that rule by being in a place which he shouldn't have been. He belonged in his own dam seat, or the small area around his seat, not ten rows over. He had absolutely no business being there. He was only there for his uncontrollable urge to steal somebody else's rightful baseball.
I've never seen anyone do something like that in a populated fan area, let alone be successful, albeit only for around a minute. As previously mentioned, a ball hit into empty or near empty stands, then a running scramble for it is fine and totally acceptable. What he did was unacceptable.
Yea sure, it's okay because he gave the ball to his son. BS. So when any thief steals something and gives it to his son as a gift, that's okay? Frankly, I can't stand thieves. Never have, never will. Whether it's Ebay scammers, department store looters, whatever.
it is way too early on a Monday morning for me to try and decipher whether this is an authentic take or a troll job
i may pour a significant amount of Bailey's in my next cup of Joe and try again
Don't bother. I'm done with this topic, and you should be to.
For you to think it's a "troll job", well sober up and maybe you'll think otherwise. 😂
Honestly, at first I thought it might have been a troll job too.
Some have stated they've been to ballparks many times. Well so have I. There is an unspoken rule of cordiality amongst the fans, even on a home run ball. That guy clearly violated that rule by being in a place which he shouldn't have been. He belonged in his own dam seat, or the small area around his seat, not ten rows over. He had absolutely no business being there. He was only there for his uncontrollable urge to steal somebody else's rightful baseball.
I've never seen anyone do something like that in a populated fan area, let alone be successful, albeit only for around a minute. As previously mentioned, a ball hit into empty or near empty stands, then a running scramble for it is fine and totally acceptable. What he did was unacceptable.
Yea sure, it's okay because he gave the ball to his son. BS. So when any thief steals something and gives it to his son as a gift, that's okay? Frankly, I can't stand thieves. Never have, never will. Whether it's Ebay scammers, department store looters, whatever.
it is way too early on a Monday morning for me to try and decipher whether this is an authentic take or a troll job
i may pour a significant amount of Bailey's in my next cup of Joe and try again
Don't bother. I'm done with this topic, and you should be to.
For you to think it's a "troll job", well sober up and maybe you'll think otherwise. 😂
Don’t listen to them! I appreciate and enjoy hearing your perspective. Your take on fan code was refreshing and I agree that you have never seen anyone do that in a populated area.
What surprised me the most was that this happened in Philadelphia. This is not what I’ve come to expect from those hailing from the City of Brotherly Love. Philos Adelphos as they said in Ancient Greece. They must be transplants from Texas!
"this happened in Philadelphia"
No, the incident happened at the Marlins stadium. Just coincidentally it happened between two Phillies fans.
BTW - I know I'm in trouble when only bgr agrees with my point, even though I know he didn't mean it. 😉😆
I don't agree with your point. Ball in the stands is whoever gets two hands on it first. This is a cupcake-generation argument. It's personal preference whether to defer or not to anyone for whatever reason. Be nice is my advice, but it's not required.
Woman quells internet hate after being misidentified as 'Phillies Karen': 'I'm a Red Sox fan'
Why as a Red Sox fan, she was wearing a Phillies jersey is anyone's guess? My hunch is that she is a big fan of MLB, has multiple MLB team jerseys, and simply wore that one because the Phillies were playing.
No ones going to change anyones mind it seems but Ill just write this. Having played through college and a few years in the minors, coaching, scouting, attending games. covering games for decades I have never once heard or seen of an unwritten fan rule that a ball belongs to the person it landed by. Ive seen everything from fist fights to legal battles to guys giving the ball to a random kid next to them.
Thats the first time I have ever seen a woman go over with I want to speak to your manager attitude to take something back she never possessed.
Maybe some fan sections where everyone is friends light have that rule with each other but its absolutely the exception to the rule and just something they agreed to themselves
Guaranteed that exchange would have gone different if that was like Bonds 73rd hr ball or Pujols 700th and she would have lost in court if she sued over it. As pointed out that ball is basically worthless which is why no fight was put up, it has a little value now if she had it certified but I doubt she was smart enough to do that
I can't believe Phillies Karen hasn't been identified yet, they found out the identity of the US Open guy rather quickly. Interesting story here, Blowout Cards, a major trading card company, announced it will pay Phillies Karen $5,000 if she hands the ball over with her autograph and writes “I’m sorry” on it. The company said it will return the baseball to the 10-year-old boy whose father grabbed it for him. “Our offer is official and the offer is firm,” Blowout posted on its website.
Oops, my bad, I just saw that erikthredd already posted the blowout cards story. I must confess, I'm lazy today, didn't read through the thread before posting. 😭😭
One more interesting thing about all of this, when the US Open guy was first identified, people found out that he owns a paving company and a ton of them went to his company's website and flooded it with nasty reviews. This Phillies Karen woman is probably going to get the same kind of treatment if she is identified.
@Basebal21 said:
No ones going to change anyones mind it seems but Ill just write this. Having played through college and a few years in the minors, coaching, scouting, attending games. covering games for decades I have never once heard or seen of an unwritten fan rule that a ball belongs to the person it landed by. Ive seen everything from fist fights to legal battles to guys giving the ball to a random kid next to them.
Thats the first time I have ever seen a woman go over with I want to speak to your manager attitude to take something back she never possessed.
Maybe some fan sections where everyone is friends light have that rule with each other but its absolutely the exception to the rule and just something they agreed to themselves
Guaranteed that exchange would have gone different if that was like Bonds 73rd hr ball or Pujols 700th and she would have lost in court if she sued over it. As pointed out that ball is basically worthless which is why no fight was put up, it has a little value now if she had it certified but I doubt she was smart enough to do that
Well at this point it's beating a dead horse. But look at the video again, and you'll notice around ten fans who were sitting closer to where the ball landed versus that guy, and none of them made any attempt to try to rush over and grab the ball. Why? Because it's common courtesy not to do so, that's why.
The woman Red Sox fan wasn't being creepy at all. It was the Phillies fan doing that. And I can't believe I'm defensing a Red Sox fan over a Phillies fan. 😂
Every time I try to get out, they pull me back in.
I've only caught one ball in my life. Fortunately it was a good one. A foul ball off the bat of Pete Rose when he was at the Vet, playing for the Reds. It was a lazy high fly ball and I caught it, squeezed it, with two hands quite easily while standing right at my seat.
Honestly, If a young kid with Downs Syndrome, stricken with Muscular Dystrophy, was sitting next to me, and the parent had previously told me he's only got a few days to live, I still wouldn't have given him my Pete Rose ball. LOL
Secondly, I don't think when that woman went over to rightly get her ball back, she knew that the guy has given it to his kid. Why should she care about his kid anyway? It's her home run ball. She may rather keep it for herself or give it to someone in her own family.
BTW - you wanna judge me on those comments, fine, I don't mind at all. However over the years I've contributed many times to the March of Dimes. I've also given away some of my vintage baseball cards, some worth decent money, to my family and friends kids who showed an interest in collecting baseball cards. I just enjoy doing all that. But a home run ball if I'm ever lucky enough to get one? I ain't giving that away to nobody, ever. I even plan on being buried with my Pete Rose ball, along with my cards and coins. Who says you can't take it with you? The Egyptians did, didn't they? 😂
@Basebal21 said:
No ones going to change anyones mind it seems but Ill just write this. Having played through college and a few years in the minors, coaching, scouting, attending games. covering games for decades I have never once heard or seen of an unwritten fan rule that a ball belongs to the person it landed by. Ive seen everything from fist fights to legal battles to guys giving the ball to a random kid next to them.
Thats the first time I have ever seen a woman go over with I want to speak to your manager attitude to take something back she never possessed.
Maybe some fan sections where everyone is friends light have that rule with each other but its absolutely the exception to the rule and just something they agreed to themselves
Guaranteed that exchange would have gone different if that was like Bonds 73rd hr ball or Pujols 700th and she would have lost in court if she sued over it. As pointed out that ball is basically worthless which is why no fight was put up, it has a little value now if she had it certified but I doubt she was smart enough to do that
Well at this point it's beating a dead horse. But look at the video again, and you'll notice around ten fans who were sitting closer to where the ball landed versus that guy, and none of them made any attempt to try to rush over and grab the ball. Why? Because it's common courtesy not to do so, that's why.
The woman Red Sox fan wasn't being creepy at all. It was the Phillies fan doing that. And I can't believe I'm defensing a Red Sox fan over a Phillies fan. 😂
It is but still good sports talk. The most likely situation is just they didnt care. If I can casually go pick up a ball I will but Im certainly not running down the steps or jumping over seats for a meaningless ball in early September from a nobody
@Basebal21 said:
No ones going to change anyones mind it seems but Ill just write this. Having played through college and a few years in the minors, coaching, scouting, attending games. covering games for decades I have never once heard or seen of an unwritten fan rule that a ball belongs to the person it landed by. Ive seen everything from fist fights to legal battles to guys giving the ball to a random kid next to them.
Thats the first time I have ever seen a woman go over with I want to speak to your manager attitude to take something back she never possessed.
Maybe some fan sections where everyone is friends light have that rule with each other but its absolutely the exception to the rule and just something they agreed to themselves
Guaranteed that exchange would have gone different if that was like Bonds 73rd hr ball or Pujols 700th and she would have lost in court if she sued over it. As pointed out that ball is basically worthless which is why no fight was put up, it has a little value now if she had it certified but I doubt she was smart enough to do that
Well at this point it's beating a dead horse. But look at the video again, and you'll notice around ten fans who were sitting closer to where the ball landed versus that guy, and none of them made any attempt to try to rush over and grab the ball. Why? Because it's common courtesy not to do so, that's why.
The woman Red Sox fan wasn't being creepy at all. It was the Phillies fan doing that. And I can't believe I'm defensing a Red Sox fan over a Phillies fan. 😂
It is but still good sports talk. The most likely situation is just they didnt care. If I can casually go pick up a ball I will but Im certainly not running down the steps or jumping over seats for a meaningless ball in early September from a nobody
This story made national news.
But of course the media likes making a mountain out of a molehill. Anything for those commission bait clicks.
@Basebal21 said:
No ones going to change anyones mind it seems but Ill just write this. Having played through college and a few years in the minors, coaching, scouting, attending games. covering games for decades I have never once heard or seen of an unwritten fan rule that a ball belongs to the person it landed by. Ive seen everything from fist fights to legal battles to guys giving the ball to a random kid next to them.
Thats the first time I have ever seen a woman go over with I want to speak to your manager attitude to take something back she never possessed.
Maybe some fan sections where everyone is friends light have that rule with each other but its absolutely the exception to the rule and just something they agreed to themselves
Guaranteed that exchange would have gone different if that was like Bonds 73rd hr ball or Pujols 700th and she would have lost in court if she sued over it. As pointed out that ball is basically worthless which is why no fight was put up, it has a little value now if she had it certified but I doubt she was smart enough to do that
Well at this point it's beating a dead horse. But look at the video again, and you'll notice around ten fans who were sitting closer to where the ball landed versus that guy, and none of them made any attempt to try to rush over and grab the ball. Why? Because it's common courtesy not to do so, that's why.
The woman Red Sox fan wasn't being creepy at all. It was the Phillies fan doing that. And I can't believe I'm defensing a Red Sox fan over a Phillies fan. 😂
It is but still good sports talk. The most likely situation is just they didnt care. If I can casually go pick up a ball I will but Im certainly not running down the steps or jumping over seats for a meaningless ball in early September from a nobody
This story made national news.
But of course the media likes making a mountain out of a molehill. Anything for those commission bait clicks.
Thats true as well, but two things can also be true
There's a Halloween party coming up in my neighborhood next month. I've put a lot of thought into it and after much consideration, I've decided to go as Phillies Karen.
Sorry Stevek, you are absolutely wrong here. She crossed the line by a long shot, balls are in play until in hand, she made ZERO attempt to even reach for it.
@DrBuster said:
Sorry Stevek, you are absolutely wrong here. She crossed the line by a long shot, balls are in play until in hand, she made ZERO attempt to even reach for it.
Well, we must have watched a different video. LOL
Another thing I don't like. I've never tolerated a man physically bullying a woman, ever, and I never will. Men versus men, fine. But a man bullying, physically abusing, etc, a woman, bothers me, a lot. And that's exactly what this guy did to this woman, bullied her by stepping right in front of her and taking the ball from her.
Verbal arguments, political debates, etc, sure that's fine, women can handle that. But this guy saw a woman there, and thought he could physically push her around by reaching in and snatching the ball from her. Well he did do precisely that, and while I probably wouldn't like that woman personally, she is still a woman, and I applaud her for stepping in the guy's face and getting her ball back.
Everyone is talking about the poor kid. Well boo-hoo. The kid would have gotten home, probably threw the ball in his closet, and forgot all about it. The woman however, seems to be a huge MLB fan, and will cherish that ball forever, especially a home run ball, maybe even more than I cherish my Pete Rose ball.
The kid got more than aptly rewarded. and that's nice as well.
The internet has its way of meting out its own brand of social justice in many cases and in this case deservedly so.
As it turned out, the father made the right call by handing the ball back to the incensed fan and received way more in the process by doing so than one stinking ball. A good lesson for his son in de-escalation in the face of a nut, too.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
@grote15 said:
The internet has its way of meting out its own brand of social justice in many cases and in this case deservedly so.
As it turned out, the father made the right call by handing the ball back to the incensed fan and received way more in the process by doing so than one stinking ball. A good lesson for his son in de-escalation in the face of a nut, too.
I see, and if someone swooped in from ten rows over, and snatched a Jerry Grote home run ball from your grasp, right in front of your Shea Stadium seat, I guess you'd be okay with it?
Well I wouldn't be okay with that, even if it was only from Ed Kranepool. 😉
@grote15 said:
The internet has its way of meting out its own brand of social justice in many cases and in this case deservedly so.
As it turned out, the father made the right call by handing the ball back to the incensed fan and received way more in the process by doing so than one stinking ball. A good lesson for his son in de-escalation in the face of a nut, too.
I see, and if someone swooped in from ten rows over, and snatched a Jerry Grote home run ball from your grasp, right in front of your Shea Stadium seat, I guess you'd be okay with it?
Well I wouldn't be okay with that, even if it was only from Ed Kranepool. 😉
Come on, Steve, surely you know an errant ball is not rightfully "owned" until the mad scramble for its procurement has concluded! That is ballpark etiquette 101 along with buying peanuts and crackerjack. Doesn't matter where you're sitting.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
@grote15 said:
The internet has its way of meting out its own brand of social justice in many cases and in this case deservedly so.
As it turned out, the father made the right call by handing the ball back to the incensed fan and received way more in the process by doing so than one stinking ball. A good lesson for his son in de-escalation in the face of a nut, too.
I see, and if someone swooped in from ten rows over, and snatched a Jerry Grote home run ball from your grasp, right in front of your Shea Stadium seat, I guess you'd be okay with it?
Well I wouldn't be okay with that, even if it was only from Ed Kranepool. 😉
Come on, Steve, surely you know an errant ball is not rightfully "owned" until the mad scramble for its procurement has concluded! That is ballpark etiquette 101 along with buying peanuts and crackerjack. Doesn't matter where you're sitting.
Tim, you mention the word "etiquette." I just don't see that being displayed by this guy. I see behavior that is rude, being in a place he shouldn't have been, sort of similar to cutting in line at a grocery store. Then once he got there, bullied the woman by snatching the ball away from her. I have read elsewhere, she has stated that she had her hands on the ball.
I hope you didn't buy that tale the guy told on his video about, paraphrase, teaching his son a lesson in diffusing a situation or however he said it. I agree with him on that overall point. However I think the actual reason for him giving back the ball was he knew what he did to that woman was wrong.
In any event, both sides seem happy about the outcome, that's the main thing. I read here and elsewhere that she was offered 5k for the ball. I don't think she will take the offer. I know I wouldn't take 5k or even a lot more for my Pete Rose ball, and I could always use the extra money to buy more cards and coins. LOL
@grote15 said:
The internet has its way of meting out its own brand of social justice in many cases and in this case deservedly so.
As it turned out, the father made the right call by handing the ball back to the incensed fan and received way more in the process by doing so than one stinking ball. A good lesson for his son in de-escalation in the face of a nut, too.
I see, and if someone swooped in from ten rows over, and snatched a Jerry Grote home run ball from your grasp, right in front of your Shea Stadium seat, I guess you'd be okay with it?
Well I wouldn't be okay with that, even if it was only from Ed Kranepool. 😉
Come on, Steve, surely you know an errant ball is not rightfully "owned" until the mad scramble for its procurement has concluded! That is ballpark etiquette 101 along with buying peanuts and crackerjack. Doesn't matter where you're sitting.
Tim, you mention the word "etiquette." I just don't see that being displayed by this guy. I see behavior that is rude, being in a place he shouldn't have been, sort of similar to cutting in line at a grocery store. Then once he got there, bullied the woman by snatching the ball away from her. I have read elsewhere, she has stated that she had her hands on the ball.
I hope you didn't buy that tale the guy told on his video about, paraphrase, teaching his son a lesson in diffusing a situation or however he said it. I agree with him on that overall point. However I think the actual reason for him giving back the ball was he knew what he did to that woman was wrong.
In any event, both sides seem happy about the outcome, that's the main thing. I read here and elsewhere that she was offered 5k for the ball. I don't think she will take the offer. I know I wouldn't take 5k or even a lot more for my Pete Rose ball, and I could always use the extra money to buy more cards and coins. LOL
Bullying? I didn't see that at all, just a fan going after a ball like so many have done thousands of times in the past but maybe you are just a bit more sensitive than I am LOL.
Bottom line (imho) is that her behavior was boorish and embarrassing and I wouldn't be surprised if she thought so too in retrospect, but who knows. 5K for a generic ball in the stands? I'd take that deal in a heartbeat if I were her! That ball will be worth 5 bucks a couple years from now when the story is long forgotten.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
@grote15 said:
The internet has its way of meting out its own brand of social justice in many cases and in this case deservedly so.
As it turned out, the father made the right call by handing the ball back to the incensed fan and received way more in the process by doing so than one stinking ball. A good lesson for his son in de-escalation in the face of a nut, too.
I see, and if someone swooped in from ten rows over, and snatched a Jerry Grote home run ball from your grasp, right in front of your Shea Stadium seat, I guess you'd be okay with it?
Well I wouldn't be okay with that, even if it was only from Ed Kranepool. 😉
Come on, Steve, surely you know an errant ball is not rightfully "owned" until the mad scramble for its procurement has concluded! That is ballpark etiquette 101 along with buying peanuts and crackerjack. Doesn't matter where you're sitting.
Tim, you mention the word "etiquette." I just don't see that being displayed by this guy. I see behavior that is rude, being in a place he shouldn't have been, sort of similar to cutting in line at a grocery store. Then once he got there, bullied the woman by snatching the ball away from her. I have read elsewhere, she has stated that she had her hands on the ball.
I hope you didn't buy that tale the guy told on his video about, paraphrase, teaching his son a lesson in diffusing a situation or however he said it. I agree with him on that overall point. However I think the actual reason for him giving back the ball was he knew what he did to that woman was wrong.
In any event, both sides seem happy about the outcome, that's the main thing. I read here and elsewhere that she was offered 5k for the ball. I don't think she will take the offer. I know I wouldn't take 5k or even a lot more for my Pete Rose ball, and I could always use the extra money to buy more cards and coins. LOL
Bullying? I didn't see that at all, just a fan going after a ball like so many have done thousands of times in the past but maybe you are just a bit more sensitive than I am LOL.
I already clearly stated how I feel about a woman being physically bullied. Unacceptable for any reason. I am dam sensitive about that.
I'm not saying you aren't towards women, I believe you would agree with me on that. We just have a different opinion about the situation. No problem, and I always enjoy your point of view.
@grote15 said:
The internet has its way of meting out its own brand of social justice in many cases and in this case deservedly so.
As it turned out, the father made the right call by handing the ball back to the incensed fan and received way more in the process by doing so than one stinking ball. A good lesson for his son in de-escalation in the face of a nut, too.
I see, and if someone swooped in from ten rows over, and snatched a Jerry Grote home run ball from your grasp, right in front of your Shea Stadium seat, I guess you'd be okay with it?
Well I wouldn't be okay with that, even if it was only from Ed Kranepool. 😉
Come on, Steve, surely you know an errant ball is not rightfully "owned" until the mad scramble for its procurement has concluded! That is ballpark etiquette 101 along with buying peanuts and crackerjack. Doesn't matter where you're sitting.
Tim, you mention the word "etiquette." I just don't see that being displayed by this guy. I see behavior that is rude, being in a place he shouldn't have been, sort of similar to cutting in line at a grocery store. Then once he got there, bullied the woman by snatching the ball away from her. I have read elsewhere, she has stated that she had her hands on the ball.
I hope you didn't buy that tale the guy told on his video about, paraphrase, teaching his son a lesson in diffusing a situation or however he said it. I agree with him on that overall point. However I think the actual reason for him giving back the ball was he knew what he did to that woman was wrong.
In any event, both sides seem happy about the outcome, that's the main thing. I read here and elsewhere that she was offered 5k for the ball. I don't think she will take the offer. I know I wouldn't take 5k or even a lot more for my Pete Rose ball, and I could always use the extra money to buy more cards and coins. LOL
Bullying? I didn't see that at all, just a fan going after a ball like so many have done thousands of times in the past but maybe you are just a bit more sensitive than I am LOL.
I already clearly stated how I feel about a woman being physically bullied. Unacceptable for any reason. I am dam sensitive about that.
I'm not saying you aren't towards women, I believe you would agree with me on that. We just have a different opinion about the situation. No problem, and I always enjoy your point of view.
Likewise. And obviously I dont condone the physically bullying of women, either. But (imho) this wasn't that. Quite the opposite, actually, again imho.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
@grote15 said:
The internet has its way of meting out its own brand of social justice in many cases and in this case deservedly so.
As it turned out, the father made the right call by handing the ball back to the incensed fan and received way more in the process by doing so than one stinking ball. A good lesson for his son in de-escalation in the face of a nut, too.
I see, and if someone swooped in from ten rows over, and snatched a Jerry Grote home run ball from your grasp, right in front of your Shea Stadium seat, I guess you'd be okay with it?
Well I wouldn't be okay with that, even if it was only from Ed Kranepool. 😉
Come on, Steve, surely you know an errant ball is not rightfully "owned" until the mad scramble for its procurement has concluded! That is ballpark etiquette 101 along with buying peanuts and crackerjack. Doesn't matter where you're sitting.
Tim, you mention the word "etiquette." I just don't see that being displayed by this guy. I see behavior that is rude, being in a place he shouldn't have been, sort of similar to cutting in line at a grocery store. Then once he got there, bullied the woman by snatching the ball away from her. I have read elsewhere, she has stated that she had her hands on the ball.
I hope you didn't buy that tale the guy told on his video about, paraphrase, teaching his son a lesson in diffusing a situation or however he said it. I agree with him on that overall point. However I think the actual reason for him giving back the ball was he knew what he did to that woman was wrong.
In any event, both sides seem happy about the outcome, that's the main thing. I read here and elsewhere that she was offered 5k for the ball. I don't think she will take the offer. I know I wouldn't take 5k or even a lot more for my Pete Rose ball, and I could always use the extra money to buy more cards and coins. LOL
Bullying? I didn't see that at all, just a fan going after a ball like so many have done thousands of times in the past but maybe you are just a bit more sensitive than I am LOL.
I already clearly stated how I feel about a woman being physically bullied. Unacceptable for any reason. I am dam sensitive about that.
I'm not saying you aren't towards women, I believe you would agree with me on that. We just have a different opinion about the situation. No problem, and I always enjoy your point of view.
Likewise. And obviously I dont condone the physically bullying of women, either. But (imho) this wasn't that. Quite the opposite, actually, again imho.
Well to wrap it up, I guess it depends on if her side of the story is believable or not? I happen to believe her and I'll tell ya why. It's close, but it seems like she beat him to the ball. IE she had her hands on the ball first. I absolutely believe that, and I think the guy knows that as well. The situation is, don't forget that women generally have smaller hands than men and also not as strong. She perhaps had trouble griping it off the ground, and the guy basically then snatched it from her.
Now did she have "full control" of the ball? Perhaps not. Some if not most are saying that there must be full control of the ball for it to be your ball. Well that may be tradition, but even if it was a law, there are always mitigating circumstances behind most laws. For example, a husband driving over the speed limit to rush his wife in labor to the hospital, normally wouldn't receive a speeding ticket.
So I believe the facts are she had her hands on the ball first, but maybe couldn't quite totally grip it and it may have slipped out a little bit. However the ball was right at her seat which during the game is her domain, and she likely felt there was no hurry in picking it up at that point because common sense dictates it's her ball. Therefore Judge stevek is officially awarding her the ball. That's my final ruling. Case closed.
@grote15 said:
The internet has its way of meting out its own brand of social justice in many cases and in this case deservedly so.
As it turned out, the father made the right call by handing the ball back to the incensed fan and received way more in the process by doing so than one stinking ball. A good lesson for his son in de-escalation in the face of a nut, too.
I see, and if someone swooped in from ten rows over, and snatched a Jerry Grote home run ball from your grasp, right in front of your Shea Stadium seat, I guess you'd be okay with it?
Well I wouldn't be okay with that, even if it was only from Ed Kranepool. 😉
Come on, Steve, surely you know an errant ball is not rightfully "owned" until the mad scramble for its procurement has concluded! That is ballpark etiquette 101 along with buying peanuts and crackerjack. Doesn't matter where you're sitting.
Tim, you mention the word "etiquette." I just don't see that being displayed by this guy. I see behavior that is rude, being in a place he shouldn't have been, sort of similar to cutting in line at a grocery store. Then once he got there, bullied the woman by snatching the ball away from her. I have read elsewhere, she has stated that she had her hands on the ball.
I hope you didn't buy that tale the guy told on his video about, paraphrase, teaching his son a lesson in diffusing a situation or however he said it. I agree with him on that overall point. However I think the actual reason for him giving back the ball was he knew what he did to that woman was wrong.
In any event, both sides seem happy about the outcome, that's the main thing. I read here and elsewhere that she was offered 5k for the ball. I don't think she will take the offer. I know I wouldn't take 5k or even a lot more for my Pete Rose ball, and I could always use the extra money to buy more cards and coins. LOL
Bullying? I didn't see that at all, just a fan going after a ball like so many have done thousands of times in the past but maybe you are just a bit more sensitive than I am LOL.
I already clearly stated how I feel about a woman being physically bullied. Unacceptable for any reason. I am dam sensitive about that.
I'm not saying you aren't towards women, I believe you would agree with me on that. We just have a different opinion about the situation. No problem, and I always enjoy your point of view.
Likewise. And obviously I dont condone the physically bullying of women, either. But (imho) this wasn't that. Quite the opposite, actually, again imho.
Well to wrap it up, I guess it depends on if her side of the story is believable or not? I happen to believe her and I'll tell ya why. It's close, but it seems like she beat him to the ball. IE she had her hands on the ball first. I absolutely believe that, and I think the guy knows that as well. The situation is, don't forget that women generally have smaller hands than men and also not as strong. She perhaps had trouble griping it off the ground, and the guy basically then snatched it from her.
Now did she have "full control" of the ball? Perhaps not. Some if not most are saying that there must be full control of the ball for it to be your ball. Well that may be tradition, but even if it was a law, there are always mitigating circumstances behind most laws. For example, a husband driving over the speed limit to rush his wife in labor to the hospital, normally wouldn't receive a speeding ticket.
So I believe the facts are she had her hands on the ball first, but maybe couldn't quite totally grip it and it may have slipped out a little bit. However the ball was right at her seat which during the game is her domain, and she likely felt there was no hurry in picking it up at that point because common sense dictates it's her ball. Therefore Judge stevek is officially awarding her the ball. That's my final ruling. Case closed.
@grote15 said:
The internet has its way of meting out its own brand of social justice in many cases and in this case deservedly so.
As it turned out, the father made the right call by handing the ball back to the incensed fan and received way more in the process by doing so than one stinking ball. A good lesson for his son in de-escalation in the face of a nut, too.
I see, and if someone swooped in from ten rows over, and snatched a Jerry Grote home run ball from your grasp, right in front of your Shea Stadium seat, I guess you'd be okay with it?
Well I wouldn't be okay with that, even if it was only from Ed Kranepool. 😉
Come on, Steve, surely you know an errant ball is not rightfully "owned" until the mad scramble for its procurement has concluded! That is ballpark etiquette 101 along with buying peanuts and crackerjack. Doesn't matter where you're sitting.
Tim, you mention the word "etiquette." I just don't see that being displayed by this guy. I see behavior that is rude, being in a place he shouldn't have been, sort of similar to cutting in line at a grocery store. Then once he got there, bullied the woman by snatching the ball away from her. I have read elsewhere, she has stated that she had her hands on the ball.
I hope you didn't buy that tale the guy told on his video about, paraphrase, teaching his son a lesson in diffusing a situation or however he said it. I agree with him on that overall point. However I think the actual reason for him giving back the ball was he knew what he did to that woman was wrong.
In any event, both sides seem happy about the outcome, that's the main thing. I read here and elsewhere that she was offered 5k for the ball. I don't think she will take the offer. I know I wouldn't take 5k or even a lot more for my Pete Rose ball, and I could always use the extra money to buy more cards and coins. LOL
Bullying? I didn't see that at all, just a fan going after a ball like so many have done thousands of times in the past but maybe you are just a bit more sensitive than I am LOL.
I already clearly stated how I feel about a woman being physically bullied. Unacceptable for any reason. I am dam sensitive about that.
I'm not saying you aren't towards women, I believe you would agree with me on that. We just have a different opinion about the situation. No problem, and I always enjoy your point of view.
Likewise. And obviously I dont condone the physically bullying of women, either. But (imho) this wasn't that. Quite the opposite, actually, again imho.
Well to wrap it up, I guess it depends on if her side of the story is believable or not? I happen to believe her and I'll tell ya why. It's close, but it seems like she beat him to the ball. IE she had her hands on the ball first. I absolutely believe that, and I think the guy knows that as well. The situation is, don't forget that women generally have smaller hands than men and also not as strong. She perhaps had trouble griping it off the ground, and the guy basically then snatched it from her.
Now did she have "full control" of the ball? Perhaps not. Some if not most are saying that there must be full control of the ball for it to be your ball. Well that may be tradition, but even if it was a law, there are always mitigating circumstances behind most laws. For example, a husband driving over the speed limit to rush his wife in labor to the hospital, normally wouldn't receive a speeding ticket.
So I believe the facts are she had her hands on the ball first, but maybe couldn't quite totally grip it and it may have slipped out a little bit. However the ball was right at her seat which during the game is her domain, and she likely felt there was no hurry in picking it up at that point because common sense dictates it's her ball. Therefore Judge stevek is officially awarding her the ball. That's my final ruling. Case closed.
I'm just wondering how you know what size her hands are.
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@grote15 said:
The internet has its way of meting out its own brand of social justice in many cases and in this case deservedly so.
As it turned out, the father made the right call by handing the ball back to the incensed fan and received way more in the process by doing so than one stinking ball. A good lesson for his son in de-escalation in the face of a nut, too.
I see, and if someone swooped in from ten rows over, and snatched a Jerry Grote home run ball from your grasp, right in front of your Shea Stadium seat, I guess you'd be okay with it?
Well I wouldn't be okay with that, even if it was only from Ed Kranepool. 😉
Come on, Steve, surely you know an errant ball is not rightfully "owned" until the mad scramble for its procurement has concluded! That is ballpark etiquette 101 along with buying peanuts and crackerjack. Doesn't matter where you're sitting.
Tim, you mention the word "etiquette." I just don't see that being displayed by this guy. I see behavior that is rude, being in a place he shouldn't have been, sort of similar to cutting in line at a grocery store. Then once he got there, bullied the woman by snatching the ball away from her. I have read elsewhere, she has stated that she had her hands on the ball.
I hope you didn't buy that tale the guy told on his video about, paraphrase, teaching his son a lesson in diffusing a situation or however he said it. I agree with him on that overall point. However I think the actual reason for him giving back the ball was he knew what he did to that woman was wrong.
In any event, both sides seem happy about the outcome, that's the main thing. I read here and elsewhere that she was offered 5k for the ball. I don't think she will take the offer. I know I wouldn't take 5k or even a lot more for my Pete Rose ball, and I could always use the extra money to buy more cards and coins. LOL
Bullying? I didn't see that at all, just a fan going after a ball like so many have done thousands of times in the past but maybe you are just a bit more sensitive than I am LOL.
I already clearly stated how I feel about a woman being physically bullied. Unacceptable for any reason. I am dam sensitive about that.
I'm not saying you aren't towards women, I believe you would agree with me on that. We just have a different opinion about the situation. No problem, and I always enjoy your point of view.
Likewise. And obviously I dont condone the physically bullying of women, either. But (imho) this wasn't that. Quite the opposite, actually, again imho.
Well to wrap it up, I guess it depends on if her side of the story is believable or not? I happen to believe her and I'll tell ya why. It's close, but it seems like she beat him to the ball. IE she had her hands on the ball first. I absolutely believe that, and I think the guy knows that as well. The situation is, don't forget that women generally have smaller hands than men and also not as strong. She perhaps had trouble griping it off the ground, and the guy basically then snatched it from her.
Now did she have "full control" of the ball? Perhaps not. Some if not most are saying that there must be full control of the ball for it to be your ball. Well that may be tradition, but even if it was a law, there are always mitigating circumstances behind most laws. For example, a husband driving over the speed limit to rush his wife in labor to the hospital, normally wouldn't receive a speeding ticket.
So I believe the facts are she had her hands on the ball first, but maybe couldn't quite totally grip it and it may have slipped out a little bit. However the ball was right at her seat which during the game is her domain, and she likely felt there was no hurry in picking it up at that point because common sense dictates it's her ball. Therefore Judge stevek is officially awarding her the ball. That's my final ruling. Case closed.
I'm just wondering how you know what size her hands are.
When one day you finally get a date with a woman and hold her hand. You'll find out. 😉
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Admittedly, I've only sat in the outfield stands one time at the Vet, and it was a long time ago. However, I think I told this story before. Greg Luzinski hits a home run ball, that I knew right off his bat, from years of playing outfield, that it was coming my way. I would have absolutely loved to have had that ball. Sadly it didn't quite make it to me, but it landed only maybe five or six seats over and one row below me.
I gave no thought whatsoever to climbing over people to try to get that ball. However from what I've been reading here and elsewhere, perhaps I should have. Maybe on the way to get to the ball, I should have pepper sprayed all the fans to better my chance of getting it. 🤣
Ball mania just does weird stuff to regular folks. I think we all have this image in our minds of what will happen with the next BIG accomplishment as was the anticipation of last year's Ohtani 50-50, also in Miami. We used to just get excited over holding a real live MLB scuffed up piece of the game. Now it's folks looking for the league's on-site authenticator and hoping for a link to the clubhouse so they can gather up their goodie bags.
Perhaps some of you have a point. I've attended hundreds of Phillies games over the years. My Dad did a lot of business with the Phillies. The Phillies business office, including the team owner, knew my Dad on a first name basis. He also had as mentioned before, four beautiful season tickets between home plate and the third place line, nearer to home plate. Arguably some of the best seats in the house. He had those seats for around 20 years.
So perhaps I was spoiled in that regard, I admit it. And perhaps "behavior" which wouldn't be tolerated in my seating area, is more prevalent in the outfield seats? That may sound snobbish and if it does, well then so be it, or maybe it sounds trollish. LOL
For those who just can't get enough. 😆
Honestly, at first I thought it might have been a troll job too.
Now I am wondering if she is an ex or something.
I don't agree with your point. Ball in the stands is whoever gets two hands on it first. This is a cupcake-generation argument. It's personal preference whether to defer or not to anyone for whatever reason. Be nice is my advice, but it's not required.
But this whole thread is based around "this topic"
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Ball in an unoccupied row is fair game to all. I've seen people hustle overt like that father many, many times.
Where he messed up was not stepping between the woman and his kid.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/woman-quells-internet-hate-after-being-misidentified-phillies-karen-im-red-sox-fan
Woman quells internet hate after being misidentified as 'Phillies Karen': 'I'm a Red Sox fan'
Why as a Red Sox fan, she was wearing a Phillies jersey is anyone's guess? My hunch is that she is a big fan of MLB, has multiple MLB team jerseys, and simply wore that one because the Phillies were playing.
No ones going to change anyones mind it seems but Ill just write this. Having played through college and a few years in the minors, coaching, scouting, attending games. covering games for decades I have never once heard or seen of an unwritten fan rule that a ball belongs to the person it landed by. Ive seen everything from fist fights to legal battles to guys giving the ball to a random kid next to them.
Thats the first time I have ever seen a woman go over with I want to speak to your manager attitude to take something back she never possessed.
Maybe some fan sections where everyone is friends light have that rule with each other but its absolutely the exception to the rule and just something they agreed to themselves
Guaranteed that exchange would have gone different if that was like Bonds 73rd hr ball or Pujols 700th and she would have lost in court if she sued over it. As pointed out that ball is basically worthless which is why no fight was put up, it has a little value now if she had it certified but I doubt she was smart enough to do that
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I can't believe Phillies Karen hasn't been identified yet, they found out the identity of the US Open guy rather quickly. Interesting story here, Blowout Cards, a major trading card company, announced it will pay Phillies Karen $5,000 if she hands the ball over with her autograph and writes “I’m sorry” on it. The company said it will return the baseball to the 10-year-old boy whose father grabbed it for him. “Our offer is official and the offer is firm,” Blowout posted on its website.
Oops, my bad, I just saw that erikthredd already posted the blowout cards story. I must confess, I'm lazy today, didn't read through the thread before posting. 😭😭
One more interesting thing about all of this, when the US Open guy was first identified, people found out that he owns a paving company and a ton of them went to his company's website and flooded it with nasty reviews. This Phillies Karen woman is probably going to get the same kind of treatment if she is identified.
Well at this point it's beating a dead horse. But look at the video again, and you'll notice around ten fans who were sitting closer to where the ball landed versus that guy, and none of them made any attempt to try to rush over and grab the ball. Why? Because it's common courtesy not to do so, that's why.
The woman Red Sox fan wasn't being creepy at all. It was the Phillies fan doing that. And I can't believe I'm defensing a Red Sox fan over a Phillies fan. 😂
Or they're like me and they don't care about a random HR ball.
This video is just awesome, this is how it's done.
what is this? why are these people giving balls away to kids? i'm not quite understanding what i'm watching here
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Every time I try to get out, they pull me back in.
I've only caught one ball in my life. Fortunately it was a good one. A foul ball off the bat of Pete Rose when he was at the Vet, playing for the Reds. It was a lazy high fly ball and I caught it, squeezed it, with two hands quite easily while standing right at my seat.
Honestly, If a young kid with Downs Syndrome, stricken with Muscular Dystrophy, was sitting next to me, and the parent had previously told me he's only got a few days to live, I still wouldn't have given him my Pete Rose ball. LOL
Secondly, I don't think when that woman went over to rightly get her ball back, she knew that the guy has given it to his kid. Why should she care about his kid anyway? It's her home run ball. She may rather keep it for herself or give it to someone in her own family.
BTW - you wanna judge me on those comments, fine, I don't mind at all. However over the years I've contributed many times to the March of Dimes. I've also given away some of my vintage baseball cards, some worth decent money, to my family and friends kids who showed an interest in collecting baseball cards. I just enjoy doing all that. But a home run ball if I'm ever lucky enough to get one? I ain't giving that away to nobody, ever. I even plan on being buried with my Pete Rose ball, along with my cards and coins. Who says you can't take it with you? The Egyptians did, didn't they? 😂
It is but still good sports talk. The most likely situation is just they didnt care. If I can casually go pick up a ball I will but Im certainly not running down the steps or jumping over seats for a meaningless ball in early September from a nobody
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This story made national news.
But of course the media likes making a mountain out of a molehill. Anything for those commission bait clicks.
Thats true as well, but two things can also be true
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There's a Halloween party coming up in my neighborhood next month. I've put a lot of thought into it and after much consideration, I've decided to go as Phillies Karen.
She may actually be a Phillies fan after all.
Twice the internet sleuths got it wrong by calling out the wrong person. Those two times have been debunked.
Last time I looked, the name of the woman is still unidentified as far as publicly.
So, I'm surprised no one has moved on yet to this fan interaction.
https://youtu.be/8Wt1oNCCsKM?si=noJ6xdnIzPqPf5qS
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Certainly not the smartest place to start a fight, right next to a third story ledge.
Sorry Stevek, you are absolutely wrong here. She crossed the line by a long shot, balls are in play until in hand, she made ZERO attempt to even reach for it.
Well, we must have watched a different video. LOL
Another thing I don't like. I've never tolerated a man physically bullying a woman, ever, and I never will. Men versus men, fine. But a man bullying, physically abusing, etc, a woman, bothers me, a lot. And that's exactly what this guy did to this woman, bullied her by stepping right in front of her and taking the ball from her.
Verbal arguments, political debates, etc, sure that's fine, women can handle that. But this guy saw a woman there, and thought he could physically push her around by reaching in and snatching the ball from her. Well he did do precisely that, and while I probably wouldn't like that woman personally, she is still a woman, and I applaud her for stepping in the guy's face and getting her ball back.
Everyone is talking about the poor kid. Well boo-hoo. The kid would have gotten home, probably threw the ball in his closet, and forgot all about it. The woman however, seems to be a huge MLB fan, and will cherish that ball forever, especially a home run ball, maybe even more than I cherish my Pete Rose ball.
The kid got more than aptly rewarded. and that's nice as well.
The internet has its way of meting out its own brand of social justice in many cases and in this case deservedly so.
As it turned out, the father made the right call by handing the ball back to the incensed fan and received way more in the process by doing so than one stinking ball. A good lesson for his son in de-escalation in the face of a nut, too.
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I want to hear more about this Pete Rose ball and how much you cherish it.
Jealous much? Good for you, stay that way.
Another chickfight at a Rams game. SoFi has hosted some really good battles since it opened.
I see, and if someone swooped in from ten rows over, and snatched a Jerry Grote home run ball from your grasp, right in front of your Shea Stadium seat, I guess you'd be okay with it?
Well I wouldn't be okay with that, even if it was only from Ed Kranepool. 😉
Once again you saw right through my charade!
Tell me only whether it sits upon an Altar and tell me nothing more Steve.
Come on, Steve, surely you know an errant ball is not rightfully "owned" until the mad scramble for its procurement has concluded! That is ballpark etiquette 101 along with buying peanuts and crackerjack. Doesn't matter where you're sitting.
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Tim, you mention the word "etiquette." I just don't see that being displayed by this guy. I see behavior that is rude, being in a place he shouldn't have been, sort of similar to cutting in line at a grocery store. Then once he got there, bullied the woman by snatching the ball away from her. I have read elsewhere, she has stated that she had her hands on the ball.
I hope you didn't buy that tale the guy told on his video about, paraphrase, teaching his son a lesson in diffusing a situation or however he said it. I agree with him on that overall point. However I think the actual reason for him giving back the ball was he knew what he did to that woman was wrong.
In any event, both sides seem happy about the outcome, that's the main thing. I read here and elsewhere that she was offered 5k for the ball. I don't think she will take the offer. I know I wouldn't take 5k or even a lot more for my Pete Rose ball, and I could always use the extra money to buy more cards and coins. LOL
Bullying? I didn't see that at all, just a fan going after a ball like so many have done thousands of times in the past but maybe you are just a bit more sensitive than I am LOL.
Bottom line (imho) is that her behavior was boorish and embarrassing and I wouldn't be surprised if she thought so too in retrospect, but who knows. 5K for a generic ball in the stands? I'd take that deal in a heartbeat if I were her! That ball will be worth 5 bucks a couple years from now when the story is long forgotten.
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I already clearly stated how I feel about a woman being physically bullied. Unacceptable for any reason. I am dam sensitive about that.
I'm not saying you aren't towards women, I believe you would agree with me on that. We just have a different opinion about the situation. No problem, and I always enjoy your point of view.
Likewise. And obviously I dont condone the physically bullying of women, either. But (imho) this wasn't that. Quite the opposite, actually, again imho.
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Well to wrap it up, I guess it depends on if her side of the story is believable or not? I happen to believe her and I'll tell ya why. It's close, but it seems like she beat him to the ball. IE she had her hands on the ball first. I absolutely believe that, and I think the guy knows that as well. The situation is, don't forget that women generally have smaller hands than men and also not as strong. She perhaps had trouble griping it off the ground, and the guy basically then snatched it from her.
Now did she have "full control" of the ball? Perhaps not. Some if not most are saying that there must be full control of the ball for it to be your ball. Well that may be tradition, but even if it was a law, there are always mitigating circumstances behind most laws. For example, a husband driving over the speed limit to rush his wife in labor to the hospital, normally wouldn't receive a speeding ticket.
So I believe the facts are she had her hands on the ball first, but maybe couldn't quite totally grip it and it may have slipped out a little bit. However the ball was right at her seat which during the game is her domain, and she likely felt there was no hurry in picking it up at that point because common sense dictates it's her ball. Therefore Judge stevek is officially awarding her the ball. That's my final ruling. Case closed.
You're not wrapping it up. You'll be back.
I'm just wondering how you know what size her hands are.
stevek is the homeless man's Cliff Clavin.
so, we somehow know the size of this woman's hands
and that the ball was in them at one point
without footage
without actually being there
yet she didn't realize the little boy had the ball in his glove when the dad pulled it out and handed it to her
when she was 2 feet away
is it time for a plea deal yet?
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This thread brings me joy. Thanks.
You're welcome.
Even more joyful is you can read it again as you're celebrating Festivus in the upcoming holiday season.
Thank you Carla.
Festivus is a secular holiday made famous by Seinfeld, celebrated on December 23rd as an alternative to the pressures of the Christmas season, featuring traditions such as an unadorned aluminum pole instead of a tree, an "airing of grievances" where people complain about their disappointments, a simple Festivus dinner, and the "feats of strength," a wrestling match that ends the celebration.
"airing of grievances"
not
"mocking of ridiculousness"
I hope you have a Happy Festivus!
When one day you finally get a date with a woman and hold her hand. You'll find out. 😉