New cherry pick - 1950 Proof half UPDATE COINS ARE BACK WITH ME
SanctionII
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Very nice, where'd you pick that one up?
Collector, occasional seller
CAMEO!
peacockcoins
I went to a local show last Friday. A dealer who buys and sells proof sets told me that on Thursday he purchased a collection from an heir who inherited the collection of a deceased relative. In the collection were three 1950 OGP proof sets. I looked at all three sets. They were un-messed with, original and contain coins that looked great (including the potential Cameo half dollar; and a potential Cameo cent). I bought all three sets and plan to submit some of the coins to our host for grading.
Here is the cent.
I don't think it's there for CAM.
FlyingAl.
I have previously made two 1950 Cameo Proof Half dollars (a PF65CAM and a PF64CAM). They are these coins:
PF65CAM
PF64CAM (I was very surprised this coin straight graded)
The 1950 half shown above is one that I am on the fence on (will it or will it not receive a Cameo designation).
In hand the coin looks much better than in my cell phone photos. The fields are Cameo worthy (deeply mirrored). The frost on the reverse is Cameo worthy (thick and even). The frost on the obverse is not as heavy as the reverse frost. That weakness, plus my previous experience with PCGS grading frosty Proof Franklins causes me to sit on the fence.
As for the numerical grade for this half dollar, I think it may warrant a PF64 (due to the presence of pesky hairlines).
@SanctionII
A friendly wager perhaps then? (hopefully you’re right!)
If the coin grades CAM, I’ll do images of the whole set for you for free.
I think the lack of frost on LIBERTY holds it back...but, it's just a pic.
good luck!
bob
What does Flying Al get if it does not CAM?
A nice, crisp, imaginary high five.
It looks like it may have a few minor hairlines on the reverse.
Still a nice one. I will guess PR64 CAM.
I like it. Congrats.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
FlyingAl.
Friendly wager accepted.
On top of me giving you an imaginary high five (in the event you are correct and the half dollar does not receive a Cameo designation) I will also provide additional consideration to you that is not imaginary, specifically this Brilliant 1962 PF67 half dollar:
Sounds like we have a deal.
I'll go ahead and allow you to include the number of coins to to cover your shipping costs as well, so it truly is free images (i.e. if your shipping costs to me and back are $40, you can add 4 more coins in the package for free images).
Today I talked to the dealer who sold me the three 1950 proof sets.
He told me that after I purchased the proof sets (I purchased them before noon on Friday after the show opened for Day #1 at 10:00 a.m.) three other persons showed up at his table at the coin show offering to purchase the three proof sets.
Word about his purchase of the three proof sets travelled fast at the show in Friday. Just not fast enough.
I happened to be at the right place and the right time, resulting in me being able to purchase the sets.
For those looking to cherrypick, this is the key! Better to be lucky than good most of the time.
chopmarkedtradedollars.com
Here are better photos of the half and cent. Next week they will be submitted for grading.
TTT.
Today I sent coins from the three OGP 1950 proof sets to PCGS for grading. I sent 2 half dollars, 1 quarter, 3 dimes, 2 nickels and 2 cents. Looking forward to see grade results and photos.
Best of luck!
Based on your results in the past and some of my results recently I will offer an assessment. Also, it is based on the images and presumes you will be dipping it.
Maywood: PR65+Cam.
PCGS: PR64.
Whatever the grade, when the TrueViews show you will be disappointed. Whoever is doing the photos at PCGS has a problem with white balance and seems to persistently flood the lighting unnecessarily. JMHO.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Maywood.
Hope springs eternal.
The coins have been received by our host and are in the system
Always a relief to learn that the shipment to our host went smoothly.
Good luck on your results!
Hopefully it gets the DCAM to end all DCAMs.
God comes first in everything I do. I’m dedicated to serving Him with my whole life. Coin collecting is just a hobby—but even in that, I seek to honor Him. ✝️
good luck I think it will. Hell just the mirrors make it way better than many 50s
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
Hoping for good results for you.
TTT.
My submission of ten of the 1950 proof coins (with 6 other coins) has moved into Encapsulation as of today.
I think the Obverse holds it back from a cameo designation. And showing glamour shots to judge a cameo is impossible.
The reverse of this Franklin held it back from cameo..............
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Not that it makes a difference, but for the guessers, here’s the True View of my 1950 PR67+CAM with a CAC sticker that I bought last month. Having that sticker means that in CAC’s opinion, they agree with PCGS on the CAM suffix!
While I don’t have the skills to make an educated guess if your half will CAM (and I hope it does), I know not to bet against @FlyingAl.
Steve
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
Nice coin @winesteven
Nice
I'm going to throw out a guess of PR66+, not sure about Cam or not.
I'm assuming the photos aren't hiding anything, I can see a little bit of "stuff" going on in the left obverse field, likely from rubbing against the cello pouch. From here it doesn't look like enough to bring it down to 65, but again, I'm assuming the photo is highlighting it, not hiding it.
Collector, occasional seller
grades posted yet?
Not yet.
I expect that the 16 coin order will move to QA by Wednesday and that grades may possibly post by this coming Friday.
It is always a treat to see the grading process coming to the finish. The anticipation of seeing the grades post increases the closer that you get to the finish line, with your mind hoping/speculating/wishing that the coins will meet or exceed your personal assigned grades/designations.
When the grades finally post and you learn of them you will either be disappointed, satisfied, or ecstatic. I like the ecstatic feeling.
David Hall used to say ownership frequently adds one or two points. In my case, sometimes 3 points ++++ so not very often I am ecstatic with new grades
Ownership can also add a Designation
I think I may be just as excited as @SanctionII to see how these grade out.
I had an order in encapsulation for over two weeks recently.
Grades popped this evening.
1 1 57221602 6691 1950 50C PR64 USA
2 1 57221603 6691 1950 50C PR64 USA
3 1 57221604 5982 1950 25C PR66 USA
4 1 57221605 5996 1964 25C PR68 USA
5 1 57221606 5996 1964 25C PR68 USA
6 1 57221607 5225 1950 10C PR67 USA
7 1 57221608 5225 1950 10C PR67 USA
8 1 57221609 5225 1950 10C PR66 USA
9 1 57221610 5239 1964 10C PR68 USA
10 1 57221611 5239 1964 10C PR68 USA
11 1 57221612 4182 1950 5C PR67 USA
12 1 57221613 4182 1950 5C PR66 USA
13 1 57221614 3359 1950 1C, RD PR66RD USA
14 1 57221615 3359 1950 1C, RD PR65RD USA
15 1 57221616 3383 1958 1C, RD PR67RD USA
16 1 57221617 83386 1959 1C, CAM PR66CA USA
aw no cam that sucks
God comes first in everything I do. I’m dedicated to serving Him with my whole life. Coin collecting is just a hobby—but even in that, I seek to honor Him. ✝️
One cam, hiding in the very last line. Still sucks :-(
Wow not what I expected
@SanctionII, I guess that means I win the kewpie doll with my grade assessment. The only surprise left is the level of your disappointment with the images.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Wowza, that's quite the results list. I find it hard to believe there's only one CAM in that group knowing Sanction's eye.
PR64 on that half?... those images must have really been hiding things.
Collector, occasional seller
Trueview photos of all 16 coins have posted. All 16 photos do not show how the coins look in hand. Oh well.................
1950 half - This photo does show the deeply mirrored fields and hairlines (which I previously mentioned and opined that the grade likely would be a PF64). The reverse frost is CAM worthy. The obverse frost is not as good as the reverse frost. In hand the obverse frost I think is CAM worthy. This coin looks much better in hand and it looks much better than another such coin that our host graded as a PF65CAM (which is shown on CoinFacts; and which is shown below the newly graded half).
PF65CAM????
1950 cent - In hand this coin looks CAM worthy and looks much better than is shown in the photo.
The other coins in this order I think graded properly, though I thought this 1958 cent warrants a CAM (it looks much better in hand) .
Also, this 1959 Cent that graded PF66CAM is interesting to compare to these two other 1959 proof cents I made.
PF66CAM
PF67DCAM
PF66RD
P.S. have fun with your coins.
Some real wonky grades there.
Lovely coins, not so much lovely grades!
Seeing these coins kind of makes me think there should be a CL designation for Cameo Like (the way we have PL)
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
@SanctionII, just an observation.
In another page one thread about CAC someone mentioned that CAC photography is much better than PCGS. Coupled with the fact that GC now has Phil, it seems apparent that there is competition among the major TPG's/auction houses for the best coin photographers. Understanding that, it's hard to compare one TrueView with another and it's becoming evident to me that the only true, accurate assessment/comparison is in-hand.
I submit far less than I once did and less than you, but my opinion of the imaging at PCGS is the same. That's why I also stated along with my PR64 grade from PCGS that you'd be disappointed by the images. Since the other TPG's and auction houses seem to currently have the better coin photographers it doesn't seem worthwhile to spend money for PCGS imaging. That will work against a seller at auction where the TrueViews can be used.
I'm considering, as I once did with Mark Goodman, to have my images done by a forum member.
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"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
That is not what I was expecting.