@sayheywyo said:
I believe it is a tiered charge based on the value of the card. '51 Mantle costing more than '61 Mays. I'd ballpark it around $3000 or so. Obviously, a play to increase value.... more power to you. Hope you hit 50% or better on the diamond reviews.
For 3K for a single sticker it should be made of real diamond or real gold - heck you can buy nearly an oz of gold for that amount.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
or grade 160 cards at PSA and hope for upcharges.
Price seems high personally. I mean if PSA/sgc or whichever fails on the guarantee does the diamond offer anything other than being shinny like a fake diamond.
It works for coins. I get it but man I havent seen the numbers and also dont trust the numbers at this point in the game. Bid up your own cards and act like its a world record. Not there first rodeo. MBA will make money Im sure of it.
IM also curious how they would handle the t206 psa 8 Wagner.
@sayheywyo said:
I believe it is a tiered charge based on the value of the card. '51 Mantle costing more than '61 Mays. I'd ballpark it around $3000 or so. Obviously, a play to increase value.... more power to you. Hope you hit 50% or better on the diamond reviews.
For 3K for a single sticker it should be made of real diamond or real gold - heck you can buy nearly an oz of gold for that amount.
Just spit balling based on like 1% of perceived value. Let mintonly comment on how much it will actually cost for the reviews, Personally, I would never do it but can respect the choice. It's an investment and gamble at the same time. Is the reward worth the risk? Are there buyers willing to pay 10-30% more for a stickered card? Who knows, time will tell. As usual, it's all about the money...... in an unregulated industry.
If you take a good look at the list you should realize that having this kind of evaluation done to a card collection isn't for the Average Joe. Just like not too many people own an island. Or an empire. The collection, as it's presented to us - just a group of strangers on the internet - definitely deserves to be brought to its greatest heights financially. MBA seems like one of the best ways to accomplish that. There would be a lot of upside potential in a 3K investment, or whatever it is.
I left a message asking for an in-hand diamond certification cost for the 36-card candidates…waiting for a call back. There is a West Coast show that MBA is attending….so I might not hear back until early next week,
@ElMagoStrikeZone said:
The collection, as it's presented to us - just a group of strangers on the internet - definitely deserves to be brought to its greatest heights financially.
Why
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
thanks. I will look into it. I like the sounds of a "professional" legitimize the grading of a 9 or 9.5. SO many cards we see graed by any and all companies just don't appear to be the grade that they receive or they are a weak 9 vs a strong 9. Like a 1964 pete rose that has no 10's or a 1977 opc nolan ryan with no 10's. it would be nice to have the strongest 9 or a very strong 9.
@ElMagoStrikeZone said:
The collection, as it's presented to us - just a group of strangers on the internet - definitely deserves to be brought to its greatest heights financially.
Why would Mike Baker all of a sudden be the guy that determines ‘best’’. Like all graders, he has duds that he’s stickered and has the same biases every grader has.
thanks. I will look into it. I like the sounds of a "professional" legitimize the grading of a 9 or 9.5. SO many cards we see graed by any and all companies just don't appear to be the grade that they receive or they are a weak 9 vs a strong 9. Like a 1964 pete rose that has no 10's or a 1977 opc nolan ryan with no 10's. it would be nice to have the strongest 9 or a very strong 9.
@80sOPC said:
Why would Mike Baker all of a sudden be the guy that determines ‘best’’. Like all graders, he has duds that he’s stickered and has the same biases every grader has.
thanks. I will look into it. I like the sounds of a "professional" legitimize the grading of a 9 or 9.5. SO many cards we see graed by any and all companies just don't appear to be the grade that they receive or they are a weak 9 vs a strong 9. Like a 1964 pete rose that has no 10's or a 1977 opc nolan ryan with no 10's. it would be nice to have the strongest 9 or a very strong 9.
That was the point I was raising earlier. Shouldn't there be a premium on GAI graded cards then (instead of the opposite) since he was the head grader at GAI?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
GAI was another generation ago. People get better at their job after 30 years of doing it or get bored and quit. Mike probably got better. Seems enough people believe what he's doing is legit.
@ElMagoStrikeZone said:
GAI was another generation ago. People get better at their job after 30 years of doing it or get bored and quit. Mike probably got better. Seems enough people believe what he's doing is legit.
That may be true, but his stature in the hobby as a grader is also based on what he did at PSA which preceded his tenure at GAI.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
@ElMagoStrikeZone said:
GAI was another generation ago. People get better at their job after 30 years of doing it or get bored and quit. Mike probably got better. Seems enough people believe what he's doing is legit.
That may be true, but his stature in the hobby as a grader is also also based one what he did at PSA which preceded his tenure at GAI.
I can't defend him in regards to his past history because I honestly don't know enough to have an intelligent conversation about the early days of grading with either organization. I can only detect that the current mood towards having a card certified by a so-called expert seems to be a method some people want to use as an endorsement for very valuable high grade cards. That's my perception. I neither approve or disapprove. Let them folks do what makes em happy.
Experience in any job is priceless. Having been in the grading aspect of the hobby for more than 30 years….Mike Baker has evaluated more cards than most anyone in the hobby. His opinion on eye appeal of a card for a given grade should be valued and respected…
Did they tell you about the cost for the service of the 38/ now 40 card review? Since you're dropping off your cards will they be evaluated there or transported to their facility? I wish you the best of luck & lots of gold.....
My wife and I are driving to Sedona, AZ from Ohio...and I will drop off the cards to MBA on Friday October 3rd in Schaumburg, IL. Mike said that he would have the cards back to me early Saturday October 4th...and we will continue westward from there with cards in tow.
I have a $660 credit (August/September special) from the online review charge of $10/card for 66 online reviews (some online reviews were cards that I considered buying like the '62 Clemente PSA-8.5 and '71 Clemente PSA-8.5). So...I knew that those two Clemente cards were diamond candidates before successfully bidding on them. The $660 credit will be applied towards the final fee of in-hand evaluation for either a silver or gold diamond. Mike said he would give me a volume discount on the final fee.
Here is a perfect example of why the MBA means nothing to me (Monte, this is not a criticism of you in any way). If you look at the current REA Auction, you can clearly see the tilt on this card. Yet it garnered an MBA Gold Diamond certification. I still like the card, but personally I would not put it in the top echelon for it's grade.
Graders seemingly fail to take into account: tilted/skewed image and registration. Nothing seems to be deducted from the grade due to image out-of-register and image tilted/skewed. I agree that should not have a sticker.
@smallstocks said:
Here is a perfect example of why the MBA means nothing to me (Monte, this is not a criticism of you in any way). If you look at the current REA Auction, you can clearly see the tilt on this card. Yet it garnered an MBA Gold Diamond certification. I still like the card, but personally I would not put it in the top echelon for it's grade.
Vertigo inducing
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
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For 3K for a single sticker it should be made of real diamond or real gold - heck you can buy nearly an oz of gold for that amount.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
or grade 160 cards at PSA and hope for upcharges.
Price seems high personally. I mean if PSA/sgc or whichever fails on the guarantee does the diamond offer anything other than being shinny like a fake diamond.
It works for coins. I get it but man I havent seen the numbers and also dont trust the numbers at this point in the game. Bid up your own cards and act like its a world record. Not there first rodeo. MBA will make money Im sure of it.
IM also curious how they would handle the t206 psa 8 Wagner.
Just spit balling based on like 1% of perceived value. Let mintonly comment on how much it will actually cost for the reviews, Personally, I would never do it but can respect the choice. It's an investment and gamble at the same time. Is the reward worth the risk? Are there buyers willing to pay 10-30% more for a stickered card? Who knows, time will tell. As usual, it's all about the money...... in an unregulated industry.
While I’m not a fan of this scheme, it would almost assuredly lift the value of the cards by greater than 3k. Collectors are sheep.
If you take a good look at the list you should realize that having this kind of evaluation done to a card collection isn't for the Average Joe. Just like not too many people own an island. Or an empire. The collection, as it's presented to us - just a group of strangers on the internet - definitely deserves to be brought to its greatest heights financially. MBA seems like one of the best ways to accomplish that. There would be a lot of upside potential in a 3K investment, or whatever it is.
I was under impression the 53 Mantle sticker charge was estimated at 3k thus my comment.
Is it actually a 3k in total estimate for stickers on the full list of cards ?
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
I left a message asking for an in-hand diamond certification cost for the 36-card candidates…waiting for a call back. There is a West Coast show that MBA is attending….so I might not hear back until early next week,
Any update? Very curious.
Why
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
I am dropping off the 38/62 ( .613 batting average) candidate cards to MBA at Schaumburg, IL in October 3-5 …to be diamonded (either silver or gold).
Updated to include 1971 Roberto Clemente PSA-8.5….and 1949 Bowman Satchell Paige RC PSA-3.5. Both are diamond candidates.
do the cards have to be PSA graded to be reviewed by Mike?
PSA, SGC, BGS or CGC
thanks. I will look into it. I like the sounds of a "professional" legitimize the grading of a 9 or 9.5. SO many cards we see graed by any and all companies just don't appear to be the grade that they receive or they are a weak 9 vs a strong 9. Like a 1964 pete rose that has no 10's or a 1977 opc nolan ryan with no 10's. it would be nice to have the strongest 9 or a very strong 9.
Why not?
Why would Mike Baker all of a sudden be the guy that determines ‘best’’. Like all graders, he has duds that he’s stickered and has the same biases every grader has.
That was the point I was raising earlier. Shouldn't there be a premium on GAI graded cards then (instead of the opposite) since he was the head grader at GAI?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
mike is the new pwcc top 5%? who knows...
GAI was another generation ago. People get better at their job after 30 years of doing it or get bored and quit. Mike probably got better. Seems enough people believe what he's doing is legit.
That may be true, but his stature in the hobby as a grader is also based on what he did at PSA which preceded his tenure at GAI.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I can't defend him in regards to his past history because I honestly don't know enough to have an intelligent conversation about the early days of grading with either organization. I can only detect that the current mood towards having a card certified by a so-called expert seems to be a method some people want to use as an endorsement for very valuable high grade cards. That's my perception. I neither approve or disapprove. Let them folks do what makes em happy.
Experience in any job is priceless. Having been in the grading aspect of the hobby for more than 30 years….Mike Baker has evaluated more cards than most anyone in the hobby. His opinion on eye appeal of a card for a given grade should be valued and respected…
Did they tell you about the cost for the service of the 38/ now 40 card review? Since you're dropping off your cards will they be evaluated there or transported to their facility? I wish you the best of luck & lots of gold.....
My wife and I are driving to Sedona, AZ from Ohio...and I will drop off the cards to MBA on Friday October 3rd in Schaumburg, IL. Mike said that he would have the cards back to me early Saturday October 4th...and we will continue westward from there with cards in tow.
I have a $660 credit (August/September special) from the online review charge of $10/card for 66 online reviews (some online reviews were cards that I considered buying like the '62 Clemente PSA-8.5 and '71 Clemente PSA-8.5). So...I knew that those two Clemente cards were diamond candidates before successfully bidding on them. The $660 credit will be applied towards the final fee of in-hand evaluation for either a silver or gold diamond. Mike said he would give me a volume discount on the final fee.
Here is a perfect example of why the MBA means nothing to me (Monte, this is not a criticism of you in any way). If you look at the current REA Auction, you can clearly see the tilt on this card. Yet it garnered an MBA Gold Diamond certification. I still like the card, but personally I would not put it in the top echelon for it's grade.
Late 60's and early to mid 70's non-sports
Graders seemingly fail to take into account: tilted/skewed image and registration. Nothing seems to be deducted from the grade due to image out-of-register and image tilted/skewed. I agree that should not have a sticker.
That card has a touch top right corner as well, and print issues.
Vertigo inducing
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)