Exclusive interview with Kristie McNally, acting US Mint Director

Jeff and I had the privilege of speaking with Ms. McNally earlier this week. She was extremely easy to talk to. Clearly the Mint has to be very careful with the information (and timing) they release but I thought she did an excellent job answering our questions. Hope ya'll enjoy.
John Feigenbaum
Whitman Brands: President/CEO (www.greysheet.com; www.whitman.com)
PNG: Executive Director (www.pngdealers.org)
Whitman Brands: President/CEO (www.greysheet.com; www.whitman.com)
PNG: Executive Director (www.pngdealers.org)
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The U.S. Mint person said the Mint does not receive an appropriation. Does that mean they are expected to fund their own operations by making a profit each year?
More privy marks next year she said!
Mostly. Technically they just need to break even.
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On circulated coinage, if the Mint can make a dime for 6 cents (for example), then sell it to the Treasury of 10 cents, I guess they have a guaranteed mark-up. Is that how it works?
Regarding the general decline in demand for circulating coinage:
In 2024, for the first time, the UK Treasury did not order any new coins to be minted. Here is an article on how the Royal Mint is trying to reinvent itself.
Finland plans to completely close its mint this year due to lack of demand for coinage.
IMHO, at some point the U.S. Mint will face similar challenges.
My understanding is the US Mint is self-sufficient and would have to go to Congress for an appropriation, which hasn't been done since the 18th century.
Whitman Brands: President/CEO (www.greysheet.com; www.whitman.com)
PNG: Executive Director (www.pngdealers.org)
I also think that's how it works. The difference between cost to produce and face value is called "seigniorage" so it makes perfect sense to make high denom coins with a relatively low cost. You lose money making pennies and nickels (cost ~13.7 cents). Not sure what dimes costs. here Anyone know?
Whitman Brands: President/CEO (www.greysheet.com; www.whitman.com)
PNG: Executive Director (www.pngdealers.org)
Takes money to make money.
https://www.usmint.gov/content/dam/usmint/reports/2024-annual-report.pd
look no further than the us mint annual reports (their fiscal year ends in sept)
report page 12:
dime: 5.76 cents
and from report page 6:
Yes. Not hard since they make their own money... unless all they made were cents and nickels.
At some point, all money is digital.
Would like to have heard more from the guest, not so much from the hosts.
I question whether clad proof sets are mandated by congress.
You win a prize. From Google AI:
The US Mint is not legally required to produce annual sets of coins; this is a product offered at the discretion of the Treasury Department, according to the U.S. Mint. While the Mint is mandated to produce circulating coinage to meet public demand, the production of special sets like proof sets, silver proof sets, and uncirculated sets is a separate activity authorized by the Treasury and is not mandated by law.
http://ProofCollection.Net
AI makes mistakes
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/5132
31 U.S. Code § 5132 - Administrative
(a)
(1)Except as provided in this chapter, the Secretary of the Treasury shall deposit in the Treasury as miscellaneous receipts amounts the Secretary receives from the operations of the United States Mint. Expenditures made from appropriated funds which are subsequently determined to be properly chargeable to the Numismatic Public Enterprise Fund established by section 5134 shall be reimbursed by such Fund to the appropriation. The Secretary shall annually sell to the public, directly and by mail, sets of uncirculated and proof coins minted under paragraphs (1) through (6) of section 5112(a) of this title, and shall solicit such sales through the use of the customer list of the United States Mint. Except with respect to amounts deposited in the Numismatic Public Enterprise Fund in accordance with section 5134, the Secretary may not use amounts the Secretary receives from profits on minting coins or from charges on gold or silver bullion under section 5122 to pay officers and employees.
(2)
(A)In addition to the coins described in paragraph (1), the Secretary shall sell annually to the public directly and by mail, sets of proof coins minted under paragraphs (1) through (6) of section 5112(a).
(B)Notwithstanding any other provision of law, for purposes of this paragraph—
(i)the coins described in paragraphs (2) through (4) of section 5112(a) shall be made of an alloy of not less than 90 percent silver; and
(ii)all coins minted under this paragraph shall have a mint mark indicating the place of manufacture.
That’s very interesting, thanks. I was unaware that any “numismatic” coins were mandated. Guess I shouldn’t have doubted the Acting Director.
I agree. It was less an interview and more about what the hosts wanted to say.
Thanks for the feedback. I am relatively new to this podcast format (career 1: coin dealer; career 2: publisher; career 3: journalist) and I always find it hard to watch myself. I enjoy it, but I have little experience so Jeff and I try to improve with each episode. I will add that Jeff and I had never once met or spoken with the Acting Director, so interviewing someone I don't know was a first.
All that said, I really think Ms. McNally did a great job. Non-numismatists are often intimidated speaking with us, and I thought she killed it. No hesitations, free responses, etc. But because of the size of her job and role in government, there are MANY things she could not discuss so we stayed in our lanes and extracted the most we were comfortable asking. I hope she will come back for a follow up...
Whitman Brands: President/CEO (www.greysheet.com; www.whitman.com)
PNG: Executive Director (www.pngdealers.org)
Thank you for sharing this. I appreciate your candor.
@JohnF - It's not easy putting these Podcasts together. You guys do a great job! 👏 👍
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