@Steven59 said: Stefanski ruled out Flacco playing in Saturday's game.
Picket --- injured.
Gabriel --- hobbling, probably won't risk any further injury.
Sanders --- injured.
Huntley --- healthy.
Flacco --- healthy.
I don't see any way around Flacco not being in uniform and ready to play unless they plan to use the waterboy if Huntley goes down!! The team is in a very unfortunate situation with all the injuries. Unless they have a player on the roster with QB experience that I don't know about, what else can they do but play Flacco if Huntley goes down??
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Both these guys must have promised some big money to have their accusers not pursue this stuff or it was bogus?
I doubt that Bond has the type of big money that you’re suggesting to make something like this go away. Dude went undrafted and it's being reported that he's probably going to sign a UDFA deal in the near future with the Browns, which IIRC will probably be in the 500-750K range.
My guess would be that either it didn't happen as it was accused OR the evidence was just too insufficient to fully prosecute him.
Both these guys must have promised some big money to have their accusers not pursue this stuff or it was bogus?
Well who know? Funny how all these sex abuse related cases are being dropped after being investigated - just sayin'.................And I'm not talking about the accused getting lesser charges.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
@Maywood said:
I don't see any way around Flacco not being in uniform and ready to play unless they plan to use the waterboy if Huntley goes down!! The team is in a very unfortunate situation with all the injuries. Unless they have a player on the roster with QB experience that I don't know about, what else can they do but play Flacco if Huntley goes down??
Stefanski gonna call all running plays the whole game?
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Both these guys must have promised some big money to have their accusers not pursue this stuff or it was bogus?
Well who know? Funny how all these sex abuse related cases are being dropped after being investigated - just sayin'.................And I'm not talking about the accused getting lesser charges.
Both these guys must have promised some big money to have their accusers not pursue this stuff or it was bogus?
I doubt that Bond has the type of big money that you’re suggesting to make something like this go away. Dude went undrafted and it's being reported that he's probably going to sign a UDFA deal in the near future with the Browns, which IIRC will probably be in the 500-750K range.
My guess would be that either it didn't happen as it was accused OR the evidence was just too insufficient to fully prosecute him.
Fair point but there could be some type of deal like a percentage of NFL wages over a period of time.
Sexual assault cases are not all that easy to decipher but who knows what happened
Both these guys must have promised some big money to have their accusers not pursue this stuff or it was bogus?
I doubt that Bond has the type of big money that you’re suggesting to make something like this go away. Dude went undrafted and it's being reported that he's probably going to sign a UDFA deal in the near future with the Browns, which IIRC will probably be in the 500-750K range.
My guess would be that either it didn't happen as it was accused OR the evidence was just too insufficient to fully prosecute him.
Fair point but there could be some type of deal like a percentage of NFL wages over a period of time.
Possible but i'm guessing not likely when this incident literally cost him millions to begin with after having gone undrafted.
Say what you will about the Browns ownership but I can't see a reason for Haslam wanting to sign Bond if there was any inkling of his accuser's allegations being true. Especially after all of the Desean Watson off-field drama plus what they're currently going through with Judkins. Why add even more noise around the team when what the guy gives you on the field likely will be marginal at best?
Sexual assault cases are not all that easy to decipher but who knows what happened
Well. if there's one thing that we see in the news on a daily basis, its that too many people are willing to turn a blind eye to this type of behavior.
it's just so amusing how incompetent the Browns' brass has been
the litany of QB rejects they've trotted out there since 1989, which incomprehensibly is the last time they won a division title
you should be able to fall bass-ackwards into one during that length of time
so many franchises could their hardest not to win their division for 36 years and still win at least one
are the words "super bowl" ever uttered in Cleveland i wonder? i mean if you can't even beat the 1......2......3 teams in your own division, chances are you're not going to win a chip from now until the earth faces a mass extinction in about 250 million years
@galaxy27 said:
it's just so amusing how incompetent the Browns' brass has been
the litany of QB rejects they've trotted out there since 1989, which incomprehensibly is the last time they won a division title
you should be able to fall bass-ackwards into one during that length of time
so many franchises could their hardest not to win their division for 36 years and still win at least one
are the words "super bowl" ever uttered in Cleveland i wonder? i mean if you can't even beat the 1......2......3 teams in your own division, chances are you're not going to win a chip from now until the earth faces a mass extinction in about 250 million years
In all fairness, NE's history of drafting capable WRs from 1989 to now is very much on par with those Browns QB failures. You can count all of the Pats hits at that position on one hand (Brown/Glenn/Branch/Givens/Edelman) and 2 of the 5 never even played the WR position in college. It happens lol.
"are the words "super bowl" ever uttered in Cleveland i wonder? "
All of the time: "We never went to a Super Bowl", "Not going to the Super Bowl this year", "Browns are 10,000 to 1 to go to the Super Bowl this year", ..................etc...........
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
@galaxy27 said:
it's just so amusing how incompetent the Browns' brass has been
the litany of QB rejects they've trotted out there since 1989, which incomprehensibly is the last time they won a division title
you should be able to fall bass-ackwards into one during that length of time
so many franchises could their hardest not to win their division for 36 years and still win at least one
are the words "super bowl" ever uttered in Cleveland i wonder? i mean if you can't even beat the 1......2......3 teams in your own division, chances are you're not going to win a chip from now until the earth faces a mass extinction in about 250 million years
In all fairness, NE's history of drafting capable WRs from 1989 to now is very much on par with those Browns QB failures. You can count all of the Pats hits at that position on one hand (Brown/Glenn/Branch/Givens/Edelman) and 2 of the 5 never even played the WR position in college. It happens lol.
Two words for you: Tom Brady
Two more: Tim Couch
Two more: Colt McCoy
Two more: Brandon Weeden
Two more: Johnny Football
Two more: Deshaun Watson
whiff on the WR position for extended period of time and you're fine if you have a TB, to the tune of 7 chips. whiff on the QB position as profoundly as the Browns have for an extended period of time and all of a sudden you can't beat the 3 teams in your own division for 36 years
@Steven59 said:
"are the words "super bowl" ever uttered in Cleveland i wonder? "
All of the time: "We never went to a Super Bowl", "Not going to the Super Bowl this year", "Browns are 10,000 to 1 to go to the Super Bowl this year", ..................etc...........
"I gotta go take the Browns to the Super Bowl" but that one gets uttered everywhere, not just in Cleveland. 😎
@galaxy27 said:
it's just so amusing how incompetent the Browns' brass has been
the litany of QB rejects they've trotted out there since 1989, which incomprehensibly is the last time they won a division title
you should be able to fall bass-ackwards into one during that length of time
so many franchises could their hardest not to win their division for 36 years and still win at least one
are the words "super bowl" ever uttered in Cleveland i wonder? i mean if you can't even beat the 1......2......3 teams in your own division, chances are you're not going to win a chip from now until the earth faces a mass extinction in about 250 million years
In all fairness, NE's history of drafting capable WRs from 1989 to now is very much on par with those Browns QB failures. You can count all of the Pats hits at that position on one hand (Brown/Glenn/Branch/Givens/Edelman) and 2 of the 5 never even played the WR position in college. It happens lol.
Two words for you: Tom Brady
Two more: Tim Couch
Two more: Colt McCoy
Two more: Brandon Weeden
Two more: Johnny Football
Two more: Deshaun Watson
whiff on the WR position for extended period of time and you're fine if you have a TB, to the tune of 7 chips. whiff on the QB position as profoundly as the Browns have for an extended period of time and all of a sudden you can't beat the 3 teams in your own division for 36 years
not remotely a comparable situation bro lol
It is but it isn't lol and technically Brady was most responsible for 4 of those 5 Pats WRs becoming who they were. Without him. NE probably owns the whole "Most Inept" title at any one position. (man, I was so hyped when they drafted Hart Lee Dykes back in the day, that was right around my peak collecting years. What A Dud LOL)
Also, not for nothing but Chicago's history at the QB position since 1989 is just as bad as the Browns/Pats situations above lol. Before Caleb you had Rex Grossman, Kyle Orton & Mitch Trubisky as your top 3 over that 35yr stretch.
Rex deserves his due for getting to a SB but I think most people here would say that Browns Baker Mayfield was the better all around QB over any of those three Bears guys. At least in Chicago's case they had some great defenses that carried them to some division titles and postseason appearances.
We could probably find historic positional ineptitude with most teams but that sounds like too much work, let's just go back to ragging on the Browns instead. 😉Da Bears!
no doubt, my team is another prime example of what happens to your franchise if you get drunk and try to play darts........you miss the entire damn board. we haven't gotten the QB position right in ages and we're just a small step or two above the Browns. i'm blue in the face anxious to see what Williams + Johnson can produce this season.
i get what you're saying, but my rebuttal is that some misses are much more damaging than others.
@galaxy27 said:
no doubt, my team is another prime example of what happens to your franchise if you get drunk and try to play darts........you miss the entire damn board. we haven't gotten the QB position right in ages and we're just a small step or two above the Browns. i'm blue in the face anxious to see what Williams + Johnson can produce this season.
Same here with Maye & McD, this entire training camp its been throwing bombs one day, then he's an epic failure the next.
No one overreacts like the NE/Boston sports media. 😂
i get what you're saying, but my rebuttal is that some misses are much more damaging than others.
It definitely hurts so much more when its at the QB position over any others. Usually it cost you a high pick, maybe more if its a trade-up, then you give the guy four years to figure it all out before you decide to move on or not. 2 or 3 of those situations in a row and your team just wasted 10+ years trying to find their guy.
I honestly think that teams have to really commit to developing a guy when they think they finally found the one. I'm talking putting skilled players around him to throw to, making sure that he's got competent pass protection and also having someone with a proven record of having developed a high end QB like Johnson & McDaniels to work with.
Still, nothing is guaranteed but you can at least say that that team did everything possible to help the guy succeed. NE at least learned from their mistake with Mac Jones and are trying to get it right with Drake. Chicago looks to be doing the same after going from Trubisky & Fields to Caleb.
In the 2000 NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns selected Spergon Wynn instead of Tom Brady. Brady was drafted by the New England Patriots later in the same round.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Sanders is trying to make the team for crying out loud. A "motivated" NFL QB prospect who wants to win football games, I think would tell the team doc, "Wrap up my waist and do whatever ya gotta do, flak jacket or whatever, I'm playing in the upcoming game."
I would have never drafted this pampered, out of control brat to begin with. But if I did, I'd admit my mistake, and cut him right now.
@stevek said:
Sanders is trying to make the team for crying out loud. A "motivated" NFL QB prospect who wants to win football games, I think would tell the team doc, "Wrap up my waist and do whatever ya gotta do, flak jacket or whatever, I'm playing in the upcoming game."
I would have never drafted this pampered, out of control brat to begin with. But if I did, I'd admit my mistake, and cut him right now.
In a meaningless preseason game after he already showed he can play?
Why risk further injury especially when he will be their best chance to win football games, Gabriel was hurt so they should have cut him?
Steve we are going to have to bet a World Series of Poker buy in on this 😅
@stevek said:
Sanders is trying to make the team for crying out loud. A "motivated" NFL QB prospect who wants to win football games, I think would tell the team doc, "Wrap up my waist and do whatever ya gotta do, flak jacket or whatever, I'm playing in the upcoming game."
I would have never drafted this pampered, out of control brat to begin with. But if I did, I'd admit my mistake, and cut him right now.
In a meaningless preseason game after he already showed he can play?
Why risk further injury especially when he will be their best chance to win football games, Gabriel was hurt so they should have cut him?
Steve we are going to have to bet a World Series of Poker buy in on this 😅
The loser gets a Shedeur Sanders autographed picture. 😂
The time to stop haranguing Browns fans and the "Team" has long passed its expiration date. The comedy of errors that everyone mocks is mocked by us fans, also. We can do nothing to stop the poor management decisions. We cannot involve ourselves in the Draft. We cannot control the actions of the media.
All we can do is cheer for the Team we support.
I am constantly at odds with the decisions the ownership, management and coaching make. The thing is, fans never really know who is making the decisions. Now we have another one to ponder since the Team has announced that Dillon Gabriel will start tonight's game. Much of that is predicated on the fact that others are injured but Gabriel is still nursing a hammy. Why the Browns won't allow him more time while they have two QB's, Huntley and Flacco, who are healthy is past my pay grade.
It really won't surprise me if Gabriel further aggravates his injury tonight.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood said:
The time to stop haranguing Browns fans and the "Team" has long passed its expiration date. The comedy of errors that everyone mocks is mocked by us fans, also. We can do nothing to stop the poor management decisions. We cannot involve ourselves in the Draft. We cannot control the actions of the media.
All we can do is cheer for the Team we support.
I am constantly at odds with the decisions the ownership, management and coaching make. The thing is, fans never really know who is making the decisions. Now we have another one to ponder since the Team has announced that Dillon Gabriel will start tonight's game. Much of that is predicated on the fact that others are injured but Gabriel is still nursing a hammy. Why the Browns won't allow him more time while they have two QB's, Huntley and Flacco, who are healthy is past my pay grade.
It really won't surprise me if Gabriel further aggravates his injury tonight.
I'll speak for myself only. I am really only "haranguing" the Browns front office and in my view right now, the most pathetic draft pick of 2025, Shedeur Sanders. I am not haranguing Browns fans in any way, shape, or form. However if you see it otherwise, well then there's nothing I can do about it.
I don't like Sanders. Not even a little bit. Not as a football player or as a person. Even if one day he surpasses Tom Brady as the GOAT QB.
BTW - I can't personally stand LeBron James either. But of course he turned out to be a great player. I think he might sneak into the NBA Hall of Fame, on maybe the ninth ballot. 😉
@Maywood said:
The time to stop haranguing Browns fans and the "Team" has long passed its expiration date. The comedy of errors that everyone mocks is mocked by us fans, also. We can do nothing to stop the poor management decisions. We cannot involve ourselves in the Draft. We cannot control the actions of the media.
All we can do is cheer for the Team we support.
I am constantly at odds with the decisions the ownership, management and coaching make. The thing is, fans never really know who is making the decisions. Now we have another one to ponder since the Team has announced that Dillon Gabriel will start tonight's game. Much of that is predicated on the fact that others are injured but Gabriel is still nursing a hammy. Why the Browns won't allow him more time while they have two QB's, Huntley and Flacco, who are healthy is past my pay grade.
It really won't surprise me if Gabriel further aggravates his injury tonight.
I'll speak for myself only. I am really only "haranguing" the Browns front office and in my view right now, the most pathetic draft pick of 2025, Shedeur Sanders. I am not haranguing Browns fans in any way, shape, or form. However if you see it otherwise, well then there's nothing I can do about it.
I don't like Sanders. Not even a little bit. Not as a football player or as a person. Even if one day he surpasses Tom Brady as the GOAT QB.
BTW - I can't personally stand LeBron James either. But of course he turned out to be a great player. I think he might sneak into the NBA Hall of Fame, on maybe the ninth ballot. 😉
Hes got the build and some talent but yes everything in his college career was designed to pump him up. He was not liked by his teammates at Colorado overall and some guys even transferred because of him.
He wasnt a terrible pick with how far he fell in the draft, but made no sense to take him after taking Dillion who is also going to be a bad pick.
Judkins and Sampson are going to have to turn into Superman
@Maywood said:
The time to stop haranguing Browns fans and the "Team" has long passed its expiration date. The comedy of errors that everyone mocks is mocked by us fans, also. We can do nothing to stop the poor management decisions. We cannot involve ourselves in the Draft. We cannot control the actions of the media.
All we can do is cheer for the Team we support.
I am constantly at odds with the decisions the ownership, management and coaching make. The thing is, fans never really know who is making the decisions. Now we have another one to ponder since the Team has announced that Dillon Gabriel will start tonight's game. Much of that is predicated on the fact that others are injured but Gabriel is still nursing a hammy. Why the Browns won't allow him more time while they have two QB's, Huntley and Flacco, who are healthy is past my pay grade.
It really won't surprise me if Gabriel further aggravates his injury tonight.
I'll speak for myself only. I am really only "haranguing" the Browns front office and in my view right now, the most pathetic draft pick of 2025, Shedeur Sanders. I am not haranguing Browns fans in any way, shape, or form. However if you see it otherwise, well then there's nothing I can do about it.
I don't like Sanders. Not even a little bit. Not as a football player or as a person. Even if one day he surpasses Tom Brady as the GOAT QB.
BTW - I can't personally stand LeBron James either. But of course he turned out to be a great player. I think he might sneak into the NBA Hall of Fame, on maybe the ninth ballot. 😉
Hes got the build and some talent but yes everything in his college career was designed to pump him up. He was not liked by his teammates at Colorado overall and some guys even transferred because of him.
He wasnt a terrible pick with how far he fell in the draft, but made no sense to take him after taking Dillion who is also going to be a bad pick.
Judkins and Sampson are going to have to turn into Superman
Taking two QB's like that is bizarre, and illustrates how the Browns front office truly is out of control.
@Maywood said:
The time to stop haranguing Browns fans and the "Team" has long passed its expiration date. The comedy of errors that everyone mocks is mocked by us fans, also. We can do nothing to stop the poor management decisions. We cannot involve ourselves in the Draft. We cannot control the actions of the media.
All we can do is cheer for the Team we support.
I am constantly at odds with the decisions the ownership, management and coaching make. The thing is, fans never really know who is making the decisions. Now we have another one to ponder since the Team has announced that Dillon Gabriel will start tonight's game. Much of that is predicated on the fact that others are injured but Gabriel is still nursing a hammy. Why the Browns won't allow him more time while they have two QB's, Huntley and Flacco, who are healthy is past my pay grade.
It really won't surprise me if Gabriel further aggravates his injury tonight.
I'll speak for myself only. I am really only "haranguing" the Browns front office and in my view right now, the most pathetic draft pick of 2025, Shedeur Sanders. I am not haranguing Browns fans in any way, shape, or form. However if you see it otherwise, well then there's nothing I can do about it.
I don't like Sanders. Not even a little bit. Not as a football player or as a person. Even if one day he surpasses Tom Brady as the GOAT QB.
BTW - I can't personally stand LeBron James either. But of course he turned out to be a great player. I think he might sneak into the NBA Hall of Fame, on maybe the ninth ballot. 😉
Hes got the build and some talent but yes everything in his college career was designed to pump him up. He was not liked by his teammates at Colorado overall and some guys even transferred because of him.
He wasnt a terrible pick with how far he fell in the draft, but made no sense to take him after taking Dillion who is also going to be a bad pick.
Judkins and Sampson are going to have to turn into Superman
Taking two QB's like that is bizarre, and illustrates how the Browns front office truly is out of control.
Someone should have been fired over that to be honest, if they were truly high on Gabriel then fine fire someone over that but at least don't take another QB at 5
The State of Ohio government currently in Columbus wants this stadium built, hence, they changed the laws to allow it to move forward when it clearly was not legal to move the team out of Cleveland City limits. To see ODOT deny the permit is pretty ballsy and shows that there is still some governmental independence possible. I expect it to be an act of futility. Either the FED will pressure ODOT or the State of Ohio will somehow change the rules/laws to get what they want.
It is all rather sickening to me, bringing Politics into Sports and subverting the Will-of-the-People who are clearly against this proposed stadium/team move. It does not surprise me. Maybe if Haslam would focus on putting a better product on the field FIRST then he could address his other wish-list items. Football fans of the Cleveland Browns are rabid and starving. If the team ever wins consistently again then whoever the owners are could move the team with little opposition.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood said:
The time to stop haranguing Browns fans and the "Team" has long passed its expiration date. The comedy of errors that everyone mocks is mocked by us fans, also. We can do nothing to stop the poor management decisions. We cannot involve ourselves in the Draft. We cannot control the actions of the media.
All we can do is cheer for the Team we support.
I am constantly at odds with the decisions the ownership, management and coaching make. The thing is, fans never really know who is making the decisions. Now we have another one to ponder since the Team has announced that Dillon Gabriel will start tonight's game. Much of that is predicated on the fact that others are injured but Gabriel is still nursing a hammy. Why the Browns won't allow him more time while they have two QB's, Huntley and Flacco, who are healthy is past my pay grade.
It really won't surprise me if Gabriel further aggravates his injury tonight.
I'll speak for myself only. I am really only "haranguing" the Browns front office and in my view right now, the most pathetic draft pick of 2025, Shedeur Sanders. I am not haranguing Browns fans in any way, shape, or form. However if you see it otherwise, well then there's nothing I can do about it.
I don't like Sanders. Not even a little bit. Not as a football player or as a person. Even if one day he surpasses Tom Brady as the GOAT QB.
BTW - I can't personally stand LeBron James either. But of course he turned out to be a great player. I think he might sneak into the NBA Hall of Fame, on maybe the ninth ballot. 😉
Hes got the build and some talent but yes everything in his college career was designed to pump him up. He was not liked by his teammates at Colorado overall and some guys even transferred because of him.
He wasnt a terrible pick with how far he fell in the draft, but made no sense to take him after taking Dillion who is also going to be a bad pick.
Judkins and Sampson are going to have to turn into Superman
Taking two QB's like that is bizarre, and illustrates how the Browns front office truly is out of control.
Someone should have been fired over that to be honest, if they were truly high on Gabriel then fine fire someone over that but at least don't take another QB at 5
Itd be one thing if they needed a starter and a backup but they already have so many QBs they could almost field a baseball starting lineup. Youre generally not going to get your starting QB in the 3rd round anyways so I dont get the Dillion pick at all. It wasnt even a great QB draft anyways, there was some high end talent like Ward and Dart but a very weird draft to take two QBs given the lack of first round talent. Could have just waiting and tried to sign a Brady Cook who went undrafted, if hes willing to sign with the Jets he would have been willing to sign with anyone lol
Just watched highlights to see Dillon Gabriel and I thought he looked pretty good. Too much is made of the turnovers: the INT was a nice play by the defender and a poor play by the intended receiver, but the QB gets the negative stat, the fumble may have been Gabriel not getting the ball into the runners breadbasket or the runner could have just dropped it, hard to tell with the view I had. Aside from that Gabriel made all his throws in stride and moved well in the pocket.
Tough to assess Sanders vs. Gabriel when you consider the teams they played. One guy played against a team that was 5-12, the other played against the defending Super Bowl Champion. I think that matters.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood said:
Just watched highlights to see Dillon Gabriel and I thought he looked pretty good. Too much is made of the turnovers: the INT was a nice play by the defender and a poor play by the intended receiver, but the QB gets the negative stat, the fumble may have been Gabriel not getting the ball into the runners breadbasket or the runner could have just dropped it, hard to tell with the view I had. Aside from that Gabriel made all his throws in stride and moved well in the pocket.
Tough to assess Sanders vs. Gabriel when you consider the teams they played. One guy played against a team that was 5-12, the other played against the defending Super Bowl Champion. I think that matters.
Completely agree.
With an already stacked team, that team could take a flyer on say a fifth round QB of the future, and it might make sense. For a team that needs a lot of help, the 4th and 5th rounds can be a good opportunity for finding "sleepers" who turn out to be excellent starting players, especially on defense.
The Browns with all their obvious other needs, taking a QB in the 4th and 5th rounds wasn't just a bad idea, it's insane.
@stevek, we agree!! I wish the Browns would have used those QB picks on other needs, too, but with the injuries it almost looks like the scouts had a crystal ball.
This season will tell us a lot.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
To @stevek's entertainment comparison, an agent will try to keep bad publicity out of the news and when their client starts to become irrelevant it's their job to generate publicity. Sports is a little different but with all the bad PR swirling around the Browns due to the Watson deal anything that diverts attention away from that is good. I always pay attention during the off-season, especially pre-draft. I like it when my team has no drama at that time, too much attention and other teams might figure out what their plans are.
I still don't know why Cleveland drafted Gabriel and Sanders but they sure kept any plan quiet. The same for Watson. At the time prior to the signing there were three teams courting him and then the Browns came out of nowhere to sign him. It was a World Class Screw The Pooch move, but they were pretty clever and sneaky about it. If Watson had worked out and been anything close to the player he showed he could be in Houston it would have been a major coup that fooled everyone.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
If I was a betting man and had the cash to squander I would say that, barring unforeseen ridiculous circumstance like a rash of injuries to everyone, Deshaun Watson will never play in another Cleveland Browns football game.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood said:
If I was a betting man and had the cash to squander I would say that, barring unforeseen ridiculous circumstance like a rash of injuries to everyone, Deshaun Watson will never play in another Cleveland Browns football game.
I don't think he ever plays another snap with any NFL team
@Maywood said:
If I was a betting man and had the cash to squander I would say that, barring unforeseen ridiculous circumstance like a rash of injuries to everyone, Deshaun Watson will never play in another Cleveland Browns football game.
I don't think he ever plays another snap with any NFL team
You don’t think the Browns are going to activate him and toss him out there this year if he’s cleared? No one is going to want to watch Flacco play come October and we all know Sanders career is already over. That’s a lot to expect from Gabriel. There’s one Doug Flutie and his name was Doug Flutie.
@Maywood said:
** No one is going to want to watch Flacco play come October and we all know Sanders career is already over**.
Flacco is a fan favorite in Cleveland and I didn't know Sanders had retired, so you missed on both swings.
I’m happy Flacco is popular. Regarding my comment on Sanders that was merely a joke regarding the commentary on this thread.
I could be wrong and I certainly don’t know how everything will play out but I think there’s a good chance that Watson sees the field for the Browns. If he plays well some face, and $$$, might just be saved. They wouldn’t release him until after the season anyways and as soon as he clears they have a choice. Cut or activate. Think it through, wait and see, or know it all.
@Maywood said:
If I was a betting man and had the cash to squander I would say that, barring unforeseen ridiculous circumstance like a rash of injuries to everyone, Deshaun Watson will never play in another Cleveland Browns football game.
I don't think he ever plays another snap with any NFL team
You don’t think the Browns are going to activate him and toss him out there this year if he’s cleared? No one is going to want to watch Flacco play come October and we all know Sanders career is already over. That’s a lot to expect from Gabriel. There’s one Doug Flutie and his name was Doug Flutie.
I'm under the impression he re injured his foot and is out this year?
That is where I'm partially basing my opinion on, the Browns drafted 2 QB's and can field a Basketball team with just QB's so that's why I also thought he was on the PUP list.
@Maywood said:
If I was a betting man and had the cash to squander I would say that, barring unforeseen ridiculous circumstance like a rash of injuries to everyone, Deshaun Watson will never play in another Cleveland Browns football game.
I don't think he ever plays another snap with any NFL team
You don’t think the Browns are going to activate him and toss him out there this year if he’s cleared? No one is going to want to watch Flacco play come October and we all know Sanders career is already over. That’s a lot to expect from Gabriel. There’s one Doug Flutie and his name was Doug Flutie.
I'm under the impression he re injured his foot and is out this year?
That is where I'm partially basing my opinion on, the Browns drafted 2 QB's and can field a Basketball team with just QB's so that's why I also thought he was on the PUP list.
Yeah he’s on PUP but he’s been posting workout videos showing off his recovery so I think there’s a good shot he’s activated this season.
I assumed the Browns draft strategy was to get all the quarterbacks with the hopes one can save the franchise. Catch em all.
Watson ruptured his achilles on October 20th during week 7 of the 2024 season and then around January 5-10th 2025 retore it during rehab. Initially it was stated 10-12 months till he MIGHT be able to play. Logically extending that out for the initial 10-12 months we come to November 2025 - January 2026. It would be insane to allow him to play at the end of what is almost certainly going to be a losing 2025 season, 4-13 is optimistic.
So no, Deshaun Watson will almost certainly not play in 2025. Strike three and you are out.
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@Steven59 said: Stefanski ruled out Flacco playing in Saturday's game.
Picket --- injured.
Gabriel --- hobbling, probably won't risk any further injury.
Sanders --- injured.
Huntley --- healthy.
Flacco --- healthy.
I don't see any way around Flacco not being in uniform and ready to play unless they plan to use the waterboy if Huntley goes down!! The team is in a very unfortunate situation with all the injuries. Unless they have a player on the roster with QB experience that I don't know about, what else can they do but play Flacco if Huntley goes down??
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I doubt that Bond has the type of big money that you’re suggesting to make something like this go away. Dude went undrafted and it's being reported that he's probably going to sign a UDFA deal in the near future with the Browns, which IIRC will probably be in the 500-750K range.
My guess would be that either it didn't happen as it was accused OR the evidence was just too insufficient to fully prosecute him.
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Well who know? Funny how all these sex abuse related cases are being dropped after being investigated - just sayin'.................And I'm not talking about the accused getting lesser charges.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Stefanski gonna call all running plays the whole game?
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Hash tag Oh you too?
Fair point but there could be some type of deal like a percentage of NFL wages over a period of time.
Sexual assault cases are not all that easy to decipher but who knows what happened
Possible but i'm guessing not likely when this incident literally cost him millions to begin with after having gone undrafted.
Say what you will about the Browns ownership but I can't see a reason for Haslam wanting to sign Bond if there was any inkling of his accuser's allegations being true. Especially after all of the Desean Watson off-field drama plus what they're currently going through with Judkins. Why add even more noise around the team when what the guy gives you on the field likely will be marginal at best?
Well. if there's one thing that we see in the news on a daily basis, its that too many people are willing to turn a blind eye to this type of behavior.
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it's just so amusing how incompetent the Browns' brass has been
the litany of QB rejects they've trotted out there since 1989, which incomprehensibly is the last time they won a division title
you should be able to fall bass-ackwards into one during that length of time
so many franchises could their hardest not to win their division for 36 years and still win at least one
are the words "super bowl" ever uttered in Cleveland i wonder? i mean if you can't even beat the 1......2......3 teams in your own division, chances are you're not going to win a chip from now until the earth faces a mass extinction in about 250 million years
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
In all fairness, NE's history of drafting capable WRs from 1989 to now is very much on par with those Browns QB failures. You can count all of the Pats hits at that position on one hand (Brown/Glenn/Branch/Givens/Edelman) and 2 of the 5 never even played the WR position in college. It happens lol.
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In all fairness to the browns - the Ravens let Ray Lewis slide with his involvement in a murder.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
"are the words "super bowl" ever uttered in Cleveland i wonder? "
All of the time: "We never went to a Super Bowl", "Not going to the Super Bowl this year", "Browns are 10,000 to 1 to go to the Super Bowl this year", ..................etc...........
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Two words for you: Tom Brady
Two more: Tim Couch
Two more: Colt McCoy
Two more: Brandon Weeden
Two more: Johnny Football
Two more: Deshaun Watson
whiff on the WR position for extended period of time and you're fine if you have a TB, to the tune of 7 chips. whiff on the QB position as profoundly as the Browns have for an extended period of time and all of a sudden you can't beat the 3 teams in your own division for 36 years
not remotely a comparable situation bro lol
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
"I gotta go take the Browns to the Super Bowl" but that one gets uttered everywhere, not just in Cleveland. 😎
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It is but it isn't lol and technically Brady was most responsible for 4 of those 5 Pats WRs becoming who they were. Without him. NE probably owns the whole "Most Inept" title at any one position. (man, I was so hyped when they drafted Hart Lee Dykes back in the day, that was right around my peak collecting years. What A Dud LOL)
Also, not for nothing but Chicago's history at the QB position since 1989 is just as bad as the Browns/Pats situations above lol. Before Caleb you had Rex Grossman, Kyle Orton & Mitch Trubisky as your top 3 over that 35yr stretch.
Rex deserves his due for getting to a SB but I think most people here would say that Browns Baker Mayfield was the better all around QB over any of those three Bears guys. At least in Chicago's case they had some great defenses that carried them to some division titles and postseason appearances.
We could probably find historic positional ineptitude with most teams but that sounds like too much work, let's just go back to ragging on the Browns instead. 😉Da Bears!
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no doubt, my team is another prime example of what happens to your franchise if you get drunk and try to play darts........you miss the entire damn board. we haven't gotten the QB position right in ages and we're just a small step or two above the Browns. i'm blue in the face anxious to see what Williams + Johnson can produce this season.
i get what you're saying, but my rebuttal is that some misses are much more damaging than others.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Same here with Maye & McD, this entire training camp its been throwing bombs one day, then he's an epic failure the next.
No one overreacts like the NE/Boston sports media. 😂
It definitely hurts so much more when its at the QB position over any others. Usually it cost you a high pick, maybe more if its a trade-up, then you give the guy four years to figure it all out before you decide to move on or not. 2 or 3 of those situations in a row and your team just wasted 10+ years trying to find their guy.
I honestly think that teams have to really commit to developing a guy when they think they finally found the one. I'm talking putting skilled players around him to throw to, making sure that he's got competent pass protection and also having someone with a proven record of having developed a high end QB like Johnson & McDaniels to work with.
Still, nothing is guaranteed but you can at least say that that team did everything possible to help the guy succeed. NE at least learned from their mistake with Mac Jones and are trying to get it right with Drake. Chicago looks to be doing the same after going from Trubisky & Fields to Caleb.
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Never said Browns were draft specialists!
In the 2000 NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns selected Spergon Wynn instead of Tom Brady. Brady was drafted by the New England Patriots later in the same round.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Sanders is trying to make the team for crying out loud. A "motivated" NFL QB prospect who wants to win football games, I think would tell the team doc, "Wrap up my waist and do whatever ya gotta do, flak jacket or whatever, I'm playing in the upcoming game."
I would have never drafted this pampered, out of control brat to begin with. But if I did, I'd admit my mistake, and cut him right now.
In a meaningless preseason game after he already showed he can play?
Why risk further injury especially when he will be their best chance to win football games, Gabriel was hurt so they should have cut him?
Steve we are going to have to bet a World Series of Poker buy in on this 😅
The loser gets a Shedeur Sanders autographed picture. 😂
Shedeur Sanders with his personal trainer going thru therapy for his painful injury.
Another pic of Sanders with his personal trainer, taking time off to recuperate from that painful injury.
The time to stop haranguing Browns fans and the "Team" has long passed its expiration date. The comedy of errors that everyone mocks is mocked by us fans, also. We can do nothing to stop the poor management decisions. We cannot involve ourselves in the Draft. We cannot control the actions of the media.
All we can do is cheer for the Team we support.
I am constantly at odds with the decisions the ownership, management and coaching make. The thing is, fans never really know who is making the decisions. Now we have another one to ponder since the Team has announced that Dillon Gabriel will start tonight's game. Much of that is predicated on the fact that others are injured but Gabriel is still nursing a hammy. Why the Browns won't allow him more time while they have two QB's, Huntley and Flacco, who are healthy is past my pay grade.
It really won't surprise me if Gabriel further aggravates his injury tonight.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I'll speak for myself only. I am really only "haranguing" the Browns front office and in my view right now, the most pathetic draft pick of 2025, Shedeur Sanders. I am not haranguing Browns fans in any way, shape, or form. However if you see it otherwise, well then there's nothing I can do about it.
I don't like Sanders. Not even a little bit. Not as a football player or as a person. Even if one day he surpasses Tom Brady as the GOAT QB.
BTW - I can't personally stand LeBron James either. But of course he turned out to be a great player. I think he might sneak into the NBA Hall of Fame, on maybe the ninth ballot. 😉
Hes got the build and some talent but yes everything in his college career was designed to pump him up. He was not liked by his teammates at Colorado overall and some guys even transferred because of him.
He wasnt a terrible pick with how far he fell in the draft, but made no sense to take him after taking Dillion who is also going to be a bad pick.
Judkins and Sampson are going to have to turn into Superman
Fire AJ Preller
ODOT denies aviation permit for Cleveland Browns stadium in Brook Park https://share.google/3QXgkvParjNMzQdza
More Browns news lol
But the good news for the Browns, they are now 2-0 in preseason, and may have an excellent chance at winning the pre-season Super Bowl.
Okay I'm piling on. I admit it. But it's just too much fun, I just can't help myself. 😆
Taking two QB's like that is bizarre, and illustrates how the Browns front office truly is out of control.
Someone should have been fired over that to be honest, if they were truly high on Gabriel then fine fire someone over that but at least don't take another QB at 5
The State of Ohio government currently in Columbus wants this stadium built, hence, they changed the laws to allow it to move forward when it clearly was not legal to move the team out of Cleveland City limits. To see ODOT deny the permit is pretty ballsy and shows that there is still some governmental independence possible. I expect it to be an act of futility. Either the FED will pressure ODOT or the State of Ohio will somehow change the rules/laws to get what they want.
It is all rather sickening to me, bringing Politics into Sports and subverting the Will-of-the-People who are clearly against this proposed stadium/team move. It does not surprise me. Maybe if Haslam would focus on putting a better product on the field FIRST then he could address his other wish-list items. Football fans of the Cleveland Browns are rabid and starving. If the team ever wins consistently again then whoever the owners are could move the team with little opposition.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Itd be one thing if they needed a starter and a backup but they already have so many QBs they could almost field a baseball starting lineup. Youre generally not going to get your starting QB in the 3rd round anyways so I dont get the Dillion pick at all. It wasnt even a great QB draft anyways, there was some high end talent like Ward and Dart but a very weird draft to take two QBs given the lack of first round talent. Could have just waiting and tried to sign a Brady Cook who went undrafted, if hes willing to sign with the Jets he would have been willing to sign with anyone lol
Fire AJ Preller
Just watched highlights to see Dillon Gabriel and I thought he looked pretty good. Too much is made of the turnovers: the INT was a nice play by the defender and a poor play by the intended receiver, but the QB gets the negative stat, the fumble may have been Gabriel not getting the ball into the runners breadbasket or the runner could have just dropped it, hard to tell with the view I had. Aside from that Gabriel made all his throws in stride and moved well in the pocket.
Tough to assess Sanders vs. Gabriel when you consider the teams they played. One guy played against a team that was 5-12, the other played against the defending Super Bowl Champion. I think that matters.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Completely agree.
With an already stacked team, that team could take a flyer on say a fifth round QB of the future, and it might make sense. For a team that needs a lot of help, the 4th and 5th rounds can be a good opportunity for finding "sleepers" who turn out to be excellent starting players, especially on defense.
The Browns with all their obvious other needs, taking a QB in the 4th and 5th rounds wasn't just a bad idea, it's insane.
@stevek, we agree!! I wish the Browns would have used those QB picks on other needs, too, but with the injuries it almost looks like the scouts had a crystal ball.
This season will tell us a lot.
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This has to be a record for the most posts about the Browns.
They say in the entertainment industry, that negative attention is better than no attention at all.
When all is said and done, professional sports is in the entertainment business. So perhaps the Browns have developed a good strategy? 😉
To @stevek's entertainment comparison, an agent will try to keep bad publicity out of the news and when their client starts to become irrelevant it's their job to generate publicity. Sports is a little different but with all the bad PR swirling around the Browns due to the Watson deal anything that diverts attention away from that is good. I always pay attention during the off-season, especially pre-draft. I like it when my team has no drama at that time, too much attention and other teams might figure out what their plans are.
I still don't know why Cleveland drafted Gabriel and Sanders but they sure kept any plan quiet. The same for Watson. At the time prior to the signing there were three teams courting him and then the Browns came out of nowhere to sign him. It was a World Class Screw The Pooch move, but they were pretty clever and sneaky about it. If Watson had worked out and been anything close to the player he showed he could be in Houston it would have been a major coup that fooled everyone.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I don't think the Deshaun Watson era in Cleveland is over just yet. I am betting on a plot twist.
If I was a betting man and had the cash to squander I would say that, barring unforeseen ridiculous circumstance like a rash of injuries to everyone, Deshaun Watson will never play in another Cleveland Browns football game.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Just read that the Browns have named Joe Flacco as the starter in game one, making it official.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Joe Flacco is like a rash that never goes away
I don't think he ever plays another snap with any NFL team
Joe Flacco has proven to be a good leader and more than competent QB. His only flaw is a tendency to throw Int’s in spurts.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I mean he certainly is no Ryan Fitzpatrick 😅
You don’t think the Browns are going to activate him and toss him out there this year if he’s cleared? No one is going to want to watch Flacco play come October and we all know Sanders career is already over. That’s a lot to expect from Gabriel. There’s one Doug Flutie and his name was Doug Flutie.
** No one is going to want to watch Flacco play come October and we all know Sanders career is already over**.
Flacco is a fan favorite in Cleveland and I didn't know Sanders had retired, so you missed on both swings.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I’m happy Flacco is popular. Regarding my comment on Sanders that was merely a joke regarding the commentary on this thread.
I could be wrong and I certainly don’t know how everything will play out but I think there’s a good chance that Watson sees the field for the Browns. If he plays well some face, and $$$, might just be saved. They wouldn’t release him until after the season anyways and as soon as he clears they have a choice. Cut or activate. Think it through, wait and see, or know it all.
I'm under the impression he re injured his foot and is out this year?
That is where I'm partially basing my opinion on, the Browns drafted 2 QB's and can field a Basketball team with just QB's so that's why I also thought he was on the PUP list.
Yeah he’s on PUP but he’s been posting workout videos showing off his recovery so I think there’s a good shot he’s activated this season.
I assumed the Browns draft strategy was to get all the quarterbacks with the hopes one can save the franchise. Catch em all.
Watson ruptured his achilles on October 20th during week 7 of the 2024 season and then around January 5-10th 2025 retore it during rehab. Initially it was stated 10-12 months till he MIGHT be able to play. Logically extending that out for the initial 10-12 months we come to November 2025 - January 2026. It would be insane to allow him to play at the end of what is almost certainly going to be a losing 2025 season, 4-13 is optimistic.
So no, Deshaun Watson will almost certainly not play in 2025. Strike three and you are out.
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