My First 2023 Lincoln Cent Extra V..........
OAKSTAR
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.........from circulation. Wish the mint would do something about these milk spots!
Post them if you gottem'.
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I don't think milk spots is the right term
Does it really matter? You get the point though, don't you?
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@jmlanzaf said:
I don't think milk spots is the right term
Does it really matter? You get the point though, don't you?
Sure it matters if you care to use terms correctly. If you don't care then sure, have at it.
Corrosion spots are not milk spots.
Even novice collectors are aware of the distinction.
But yeah, you do you and continue calling black corrosive spots "milk spots."
Semi-translucent water/rinse spots via the normal Mint processes for circulating coinage is nothing new. Some novice collectors are aware, some are not aware.
Black corrosive spots are not evident in the pics above.
Milk spots are not evident in the pics above.
You do you.
Nice coin Oak.
I have a few dozen rolls of 2023, guess I should check them for that little extra V.
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Read my disclaimer. I have an excuse. I guess I'm just not a professional like you there @Sanddollar!
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"I have an excuse."
Speaks volumes.
Please stop with the misinformation.
That is all.
Thank you, in advance.
Respectfully, not being a professional is not really an excuse for not trying to get it right. It does matter when others, possibly less experienced than you, read the thread.
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I think I have a box of 2023 pennies somewhere from my CRH hobby. Wheaties I can see easily, but my eyes are too feeble for that extra "V" notation.
Maybe they are chocolate milk spots. 🤔
Are these cents with the extra V valuable? I really haven't been seeing much information on them anymore.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Grab your favorite eye-glass and make it interesting!
Even though only one die pair was used for these, searching for the other clues on this coin is a VAM-like exercise, and makes this intentional variety interesting (the V was intentional).
Every Extra V coin has the same 5 die markers to some degree, depending on die wear. Find a few TV's and you'll see what I mean...
Four markers on the obverse. ⇊ (the two neck spikes can be tough to see, so lighting & angle is key).
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One marker on the reverse - every single V has this one ⇊ straight up from the L...
@Rc5280 - You are absolutely right! I just checked mine. Brilliant analysis! 👍 🧐 Die markers on coins are a great thing/tool!
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Apparently so. I'm more interested in the anomaly.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/405638123675?_skw=2023+lincoln+cent+extra+v&itmmeta=01K1WZGYJ4YK7DSXMVH624SV29&hash=item5e71ea909b:g:fLkAAOSwoHxnsJhA&itmprp=enc:AQAKAAAA4FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1eo4yUaatLyBuNKv/xKeinJjWDaf25FEM8vJnGxVB/+4tHs1NTWPex/slUu5es3qwd8m5gNax/tmuj3CIPqyVasaqzDhwztb02BqO+dpctay1PeQz/PpxkvyvxFX6IypgAhTvV7M1JucqecX24ICgvl+7RYK1kCYrw4oa8aPR7YACamESwv8TuUgYV1tnVKn01BG6EH3X9pqUbbLMLEdtMI456tS4As8TlttzJLn21itY+q8F8D5tFhfjAlceuTvBxabo5qH56gdjTTNQ0FAu3v|tkp:Bk9SR5rpw5-PZg
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The market has become flooded with these. They will soon be so common they won't be worth the money to have graded. In the last three months, the number certified by PCGS has nearly doubled and their selling price has tanked!
Here is one of mine.
What is the extra "V" caused by? It certainly dosen't appear to be a doubled die or dropped letter. Probably an anomaly that mimics the letter. Has the cause been determined officially?
Interesting
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Weird, posts are missing. I guess the hall monitor finally got the teacher's attention.
My first thought when they were first discovered was a dropped letter but I don't know enough about it. Many of these types of anomalies have been determined by professional numismatists outside the mint.
It would be nice to have some of these anomalies/varieties official recognized and confirmed with an explanation from the Mint.
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Mike Diamond - @errormaven ... I can't find his original CW article on 3/27/23, but here's the basic consensus...
"Experts concur the pieces were likely intentionally made at the Philadelphia Mint through modification of a working hub to execute a single obverse working die.
The “Collectors Clearinghouse” column by numismatist Mike Diamond for the March 27, 2023, Coin World issue was dedicated to the discovery made by Buffalo, New York, area collector Dave Santiago.
Santiago discovered the anomaly while searching 32 rolls of Uncirculated Lincoln cents, packed at the usual 50 coins per roll. Santiago’s examination of the 1,600 cents yielded 75 examples of the aberration, three of which he forwarded to Diamond for analysis.
Diamond asserts the Extra V likely resulted from a modified hub into which the second V was carved or punched.
It is unknown how many of the Extra V cents were struck. Lincoln cent dies are capable of producing in excess of 1 million coins per die pair."
I agree that the V Cent has peaked in price/valuation, and is dropping, as more have hit the grading room.
But, the variety still remains scarce overall, and with more circulation cycles over time, the less Gem examples will be found.
A few comparisons with some other 1C varieties/types ⇊ ...
Reference: Other Significant Lincoln Cents
1909-S VDB……..…..Mintage 484K…….….Certified 9,946
1922 D – No D.…….Mintage Unknown….Certified 3,799
1955/55 DDO………Mintage unknown….Certified 3,741
1981-S Proof T2…..Mintage unknown….Certified 2,839
1995 (P) DDO………Mintage unknown…..Certified 19,169
2018-S Rev Proof…Mintage 199,116…….Certified 4,985
The V-1C is recognized in the Red Book, as well as in the Whitman book 100 Greatest Modern Coins, number 98 FWIW.
And just for you @WQuarterFreddie , the W-Quarters are in the new 100 Greatest Modern Coins Book! Number 52! ✓
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MS66RD I see the same markers on my coins, I have 3
