Obviously it was a con game. Time will tell (hopefully) who the guilty parties are.
Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Also won the PNG's Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
I have no idea if any of this is real, but nothing about it makes any sense to me. What financial institution makes a 15 million dollar deal with a new client and has such lax security? Why was there no armored car/security to pick up gold? No one with any sense should release that much gold to two ordinary people without security and proper transportation.
Additionally, I understand that any reputable parties involved would certainly be embarrassed, but what purpose does it serve to hide the details of the crime from the media, etc.? Not to mention that while the $50,000 reward is a joke in and of itself based on the value of the theft, but how is anyone supposed to claim it, if almost no one even knows about the theft?
Or, someone hacks the emails of a bunch of financial bigwigs and waits for them to do something interesting.
Or, someone hacks the emails of some company that deals with a lot of bullion, and waits for them to do something interesting.
Such a world we live in...
Even if that occurred, it wouldn’t account for the seemingly ridiculously lax security procedures that had to have been in place at the time the coins were picked up.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@BAJJERFAN said:
I wonder if the buyer thinks that they may end up with the gold AND an insurance settlement.
Certainly. The buyer must have put up the $15 million, so the only way anyone can make the big score is if the seller is forced to deliver twice.
Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Also won the PNG's Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
Step one---give everyone even remotely involved a polygraph test. It will only take one insider to "crack" for the whole house of cards collapses.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
@BAJJERFAN said:
I wonder if the buyer thinks that they may end up with the gold AND an insurance settlement.
Certainly. The buyer must have put up the $15 million, so the only way anyone can make the big score is if the seller is forced to deliver twice.
The seller need not be forced to deliver twice for someone to make the big score. The big score potential is for the two people who took delivery of the coins (and their accomplices).
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@BAJJERFAN said:
I wonder if the buyer thinks that they may end up with the gold AND an insurance settlement.
Certainly. The buyer must have put up the $15 million, so the only way anyone can make the big score is if the seller is forced to deliver twice.
The seller need not be forced to deliver twice for someone to make the big score. Thr big score potential is for the two people who took delivery of the coins (and their accomplices).
I guess we can assume then that they weren't working for the "buyer" of the gold. So the seller or their insurance carrier will need to provide replacement gold or a refund.
@BAJJERFAN said:
I wonder if the buyer thinks that they may end up with the gold AND an insurance settlement.
Certainly. The buyer must have put up the $15 million, so the only way anyone can make the big score is if the seller is forced to deliver twice.
The seller need not be forced to deliver twice for someone to make the big score. Thr big score potential is for the two people who took delivery of the coins (and their accomplices).
I guess we can assume then that they weren't working for the "buyer" of the gold. So the seller or their insurance carrier will need to provide replacement gold or a refund.
Whether the people who left with the gold were working with the buyer or not remains to be seen. It will be very interesting to see what documentation they presented at the time of the pickup, and whether the victim company can reasonably claim that they could not have had that documentation without the cooperation of the buyer.
All I know for sure is that lawyers will be involved.
Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Also won the PNG's Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
Still no confirmation of the theft on any news service that I’m aware of. If so, pls post. Otherwise, maybe it’s time to treat this story as fake news.
@BAJJERFAN said:
I wonder if the buyer thinks that they may end up with the gold AND an insurance settlement.
Certainly. The buyer must have put up the $15 million, so the only way anyone can make the big score is if the seller is forced to deliver twice.
The seller need not be forced to deliver twice for someone to make the big score. Thr big score potential is for the two people who took delivery of the coins (and their accomplices).
I guess we can assume then that they weren't working for the "buyer" of the gold. So the seller or their insurance carrier will need to provide replacement gold or a refund.
Regardless of whom, if anyone the thieves were working for, they already made a “big score”. That’s why I posted “ The seller need not be forced to deliver twice for someone to make the big score. The big score potential is for the two people who took delivery of the coins (and their accomplices).”
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@cinque1543 said:
Still no confirmation of the theft on any news service that I’m aware of. If so, pls post. Otherwise, maybe it’s time to treat this story as fake news.
If they are keeping it confidential, there is no reason why it would hit the news. While it could be a mistake, NCIC is a highly credible source. Diligence International also checks out
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@BAJJERFAN said:
I wonder if the buyer thinks that they may end up with the gold AND an insurance settlement.
Certainly. The buyer must have put up the $15 million, so the only way anyone can make the big score is if the seller is forced to deliver twice.
The seller need not be forced to deliver twice for someone to make the big score. Thr big score potential is for the two people who took delivery of the coins (and their accomplices).
I guess we can assume then that they weren't working for the "buyer" of the gold. So the seller or their insurance carrier will need to provide replacement gold or a refund.
Regardless of whom, if anyone the thieves were working for, they already made a “big score”. That’s why I posted “ The seller need not be forced to deliver twice for someone to make the big score. The big score potential is for the two people who took delivery of the coins (and their accomplices).”
My assumption [possibly false] is that the thieves were working on behalf of the buyer, thus the double score for the buyer.
@BAJJERFAN said:
I wonder if the buyer thinks that they may end up with the gold AND an insurance settlement.
Certainly. The buyer must have put up the $15 million, so the only way anyone can make the big score is if the seller is forced to deliver twice.
The seller need not be forced to deliver twice for someone to make the big score. Thr big score potential is for the two people who took delivery of the coins (and their accomplices).
I guess we can assume then that they weren't working for the "buyer" of the gold. So the seller or their insurance carrier will need to provide replacement gold or a refund.
Regardless of whom, if anyone the thieves were working for, they already made a “big score”. That’s why I posted “ The seller need not be forced to deliver twice for someone to make the big score. The big score potential is for the two people who took delivery of the coins (and their accomplices).”
My assumption [possibly false] is that the thieves were working on behalf of the buyer, thus the double score for the buyer.
Even if your assumption is correct, how could the buyer end up with a “double score”?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@BAJJERFAN said:
I wonder if the buyer thinks that they may end up with the gold AND an insurance settlement.
Certainly. The buyer must have put up the $15 million, so the only way anyone can make the big score is if the seller is forced to deliver twice.
The seller need not be forced to deliver twice for someone to make the big score. Thr big score potential is for the two people who took delivery of the coins (and their accomplices).
I guess we can assume then that they weren't working for the "buyer" of the gold. So the seller or their insurance carrier will need to provide replacement gold or a refund.
Regardless of whom, if anyone the thieves were working for, they already made a “big score”. That’s why I posted “ The seller need not be forced to deliver twice for someone to make the big score. The big score potential is for the two people who took delivery of the coins (and their accomplices).”
My assumption [possibly false] is that the thieves were working on behalf of the buyer, thus the double score for the buyer.
Even if your assumption is correct, how could the buyer end up with a “double score”?
He couldn't... unless you use the new math where you count the $15 million twice.
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Hypothetical scenario:
Party A gives Party B $15 million to buy gold.
Gold arrives.
Party A colludes with Party C to pick up gold using insider knowledge.
Party C picks up gold.
Party A shows at Party B with receipts for $15 million and says “Where’s my gold?”
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@CaptHenway said:
Hypothetical scenario:
Party A gives Party B $15 million to buy gold.
Gold arrives.
Party A colludes with Party C to pick up gold using insider knowledge.
Party C picks up gold.
Party A shows at Party B with receipts for $15 million and says “Where’s my gold?”
Still only a single score
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@CaptHenway said:
Hypothetical scenario:
Party A gives Party B $15 million to buy gold.
Gold arrives.
Party A colludes with Party C to pick up gold using insider knowledge.
Party C picks up gold.
Party A shows at Party B with receipts for $15 million and says “Where’s my gold?”
The gold that Party C picked up was "free", while the replacement gold that Party A eventually gets was paid for.
Party A ends up with a double pile of gold, but they paid for one of them. Unless the paid-for pile is considered a "score" then it is one purchase and one score.
Sounds like party B has been negligent in releasing the Gold!?? This whole incident has been so devoid of facts, and public information one has to wonder what really happened here!???
Clearly insider information was utilized, yet no arrests have been announced!! What's going on behind the curtain!!???
@BAJJERFAN said:
I wonder if the buyer thinks that they may end up with the gold AND an insurance settlement.
Certainly. The buyer must have put up the $15 million, so the only way anyone can make the big score is if the seller is forced to deliver twice.
The seller need not be forced to deliver twice for someone to make the big score. Thr big score potential is for the two people who took delivery of the coins (and their accomplices).
I guess we can assume then that they weren't working for the "buyer" of the gold. So the seller or their insurance carrier will need to provide replacement gold or a refund.
Regardless of whom, if anyone the thieves were working for, they already made a “big score”. That’s why I posted “ The seller need not be forced to deliver twice for someone to make the big score. The big score potential is for the two people who took delivery of the coins (and their accomplices).”
My assumption [possibly false] is that the thieves were working on behalf of the buyer, thus the double score for the buyer.
Even if your assumption is correct, how could the buyer end up with a “double score”?
As far as the buyer is concerned it is still stolen so if it is never "recovered" then the seller's insurance carrier would make him whole. Not hard to imagine.
@BAJJERFAN said:
I wonder if the buyer thinks that they may end up with the gold AND an insurance settlement.
Certainly. The buyer must have put up the $15 million, so the only way anyone can make the big score is if the seller is forced to deliver twice.
The seller need not be forced to deliver twice for someone to make the big score. Thr big score potential is for the two people who took delivery of the coins (and their accomplices).
I guess we can assume then that they weren't working for the "buyer" of the gold. So the seller or their insurance carrier will need to provide replacement gold or a refund.
Regardless of whom, if anyone the thieves were working for, they already made a “big score”. That’s why I posted “ The seller need not be forced to deliver twice for someone to make the big score. The big score potential is for the two people who took delivery of the coins (and their accomplices).”
My assumption [possibly false] is that the thieves were working on behalf of the buyer, thus the double score for the buyer.
Even if your assumption is correct, how could the buyer end up with a “double score”?
As far as the buyer is concerned it is still stolen so if it is never "recovered" then the seller's insurance carrier would make him whole. Not hard to imagine.
But that's not a score. That's just a return of his money
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@CaptHenway said:
Hypothetical scenario:
Party A gives Party B $15 million to buy gold.
Gold arrives.
Party A colludes with Party C to pick up gold using insider knowledge.
Party C picks up gold.
Party A shows at Party B with receipts for $15 million and says “Where’s my gold?”
Still only a single score
He is either going to get replacement gold or an insurance check so double score. He has the original gold which the seller doesn't know about. You don't need to be a Perry Mason in order to figure it out.
@CaptHenway said:
Hypothetical scenario:
Party A gives Party B $15 million to buy gold.
Gold arrives.
Party A colludes with Party C to pick up gold using insider knowledge.
Party C picks up gold.
Party A shows at Party B with receipts for $15 million and says “Where’s my gold?”
Still only a single score
He is either going to get replacement gold or an insurance check so double score. He has the original gold which the seller doesn't know about. You don't need to be a Perry Mason in order to figure it out.
No. He paid $15 million, Perry. He could end up with $30 million in gold, but he paid for half of it. It's a single "score".
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@BozoOnBus said:
Sounds like party B has been negligent in releasing the Gold!?? This whole incident has been so devoid of facts, and public information one has to wonder what really happened here!???
Clearly insider information was utilized, yet no arrests have been announced!! What's going on behind the curtain!!???
They are apparently waiting for one of us to figure it out for them.
@CaptHenway said:
Hypothetical scenario:
Party A gives Party B $15 million to buy gold.
Gold arrives.
Party A colludes with Party C to pick up gold using insider knowledge.
Party C picks up gold.
Party A shows at Party B with receipts for $15 million and says “Where’s my gold?”
Still only a single score
He is either going to get replacement gold or an insurance check so double score. He has the original gold which the seller doesn't know about. You don't need to be a Perry Mason in order to figure it out.
No. He paid $15 million, Perry. He could end up with $30 million in gold, but he paid for half of it. It's a single "score".
Why did you address me rather than the person you are responding to?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
@CaptHenway said:
Hypothetical scenario:
Party A gives Party B $15 million to buy gold.
Gold arrives.
Party A colludes with Party C to pick up gold using insider knowledge.
Party C picks up gold.
Party A shows at Party B with receipts for $15 million and says “Where’s my gold?”
Still only a single score
He is either going to get replacement gold or an insurance check so double score. He has the original gold which the seller doesn't know about. You don't need to be a Perry Mason in order to figure it out.
No. He paid $15 million, Perry. He could end up with $30 million in gold, but he paid for half of it. It's a single "score".
Why did you address me rather than the person you are responding to?
He didn’t. He was addressing Perry Mason/ BAJJERFAN, who made a reference to the other “Perry”.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@CaptHenway said:
Hypothetical scenario:
Party A gives Party B $15 million to buy gold.
Gold arrives.
Party A colludes with Party C to pick up gold using insider knowledge.
Party C picks up gold.
Party A shows at Party B with receipts for $15 million and says “Where’s my gold?”
Still only a single score
He is either going to get replacement gold or an insurance check so double score. He has the original gold which the seller doesn't know about. You don't need to be a Perry Mason in order to figure it out.
No. He paid $15 million, Perry. He could end up with $30 million in gold, but he paid for half of it. It's a single "score".
Why did you address me rather than the person you are responding to?
He didn’t. He was addressing Perry Mason/ BAJJERFAN, who made a reference to the other “Perry”.
I was joking. LOL.
I imagine quite a few of the younger members here never heard of Perry Mason.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
@CaptHenway said:
Hypothetical scenario:
Party A gives Party B $15 million to buy gold.
Gold arrives.
Party A colludes with Party C to pick up gold using insider knowledge.
Party C picks up gold.
Party A shows at Party B with receipts for $15 million and says “Where’s my gold?”
Still only a single score
He is either going to get replacement gold or an insurance check so double score. He has the original gold which the seller doesn't know about. You don't need to be a Perry Mason in order to figure it out.
No. He paid $15 million, Perry. He could end up with $30 million in gold, but he paid for half of it. It's a single "score".
Why did you address me rather than the person you are responding to?
He didn’t. He was addressing Perry Mason/ BAJJERFAN, who made a reference to the other “Perry”.
I was joking. LOL.
I imagine quite a few of the younger members here never heard of Perry Mason.
Sorry I didn’t realize you were joking, partly, because for a few seconds, I really was wondering why he addressed you.😬
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@CaptHenway said:
Hypothetical scenario:
Party A gives Party B $15 million to buy gold.
Gold arrives.
Party A colludes with Party C to pick up gold using insider knowledge.
Party C picks up gold.
Party A shows at Party B with receipts for $15 million and says “Where’s my gold?”
Still only a single score
He is either going to get replacement gold or an insurance check so double score. He has the original gold which the seller doesn't know about. You don't need to be a Perry Mason in order to figure it out.
No. He paid $15 million, Perry. He could end up with $30 million in gold, but he paid for half of it. It's a single "score".
Why did you address me rather than the person you are responding to?
He didn’t. He was addressing Perry Mason/ BAJJERFAN, who made a reference to the other “Perry”.
I was joking. LOL.
I imagine quite a few of the younger members here never heard of Perry Mason.
If they don't know Perry (mason) then they don't know Della Street......................
@CaptHenway said:
Hypothetical scenario:
Party A gives Party B $15 million to buy gold.
Gold arrives.
Party A colludes with Party C to pick up gold using insider knowledge.
Party C picks up gold.
Party A shows at Party B with receipts for $15 million and says “Where’s my gold?”
Still only a single score
He is either going to get replacement gold or an insurance check so double score. He has the original gold which the seller doesn't know about. You don't need to be a Perry Mason in order to figure it out.
No. He paid $15 million, Perry. He could end up with $30 million in gold, but he paid for half of it. It's a single "score".
Why did you address me rather than the person you are responding to?
He didn’t. He was addressing Perry Mason/ BAJJERFAN, who made a reference to the other “Perry”.
I was joking. LOL.
I imagine quite a few of the younger members here never heard of Perry Mason.
If they don't know Perry (mason) then they don't know Della Street......................
@CaptHenway said:
Hypothetical scenario:
Party A gives Party B $15 million to buy gold.
Gold arrives.
Party A colludes with Party C to pick up gold using insider knowledge.
Party C picks up gold.
Party A shows at Party B with receipts for $15 million and says “Where’s my gold?”
Still only a single score
He is either going to get replacement gold or an insurance check so double score. He has the original gold which the seller doesn't know about. You don't need to be a Perry Mason in order to figure it out.
No. He paid $15 million, Perry. He could end up with $30 million in gold, but he paid for half of it. It's a single "score".
Why did you address me rather than the person you are responding to?
He didn’t. He was addressing Perry Mason/ BAJJERFAN, who made a reference to the other “Perry”.
I was joking. LOL.
I imagine quite a few of the younger members here never heard of Perry Mason.
If they don't know Perry (mason) then they don't know Della Street......................
Or Paul Drake….
Or Hamilton Burger…
but maybe they do know Hamburglar?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@CaptHenway said:
Hypothetical scenario:
Party A gives Party B $15 million to buy gold.
Gold arrives.
Party A colludes with Party C to pick up gold using insider knowledge.
Party C picks up gold.
Party A shows at Party B with receipts for $15 million and says “Where’s my gold?”
Still only a single score
He is either going to get replacement gold or an insurance check so double score. He has the original gold which the seller doesn't know about. You don't need to be a Perry Mason in order to figure it out.
No. He paid $15 million, Perry. He could end up with $30 million in gold, but he paid for half of it. It's a single "score".
Why did you address me rather than the person you are responding to?
He didn’t. He was addressing Perry Mason/ BAJJERFAN, who made a reference to the other “Perry”.
I was joking. LOL.
I imagine quite a few of the younger members here never heard of Perry Mason.
If they don't know Perry (mason) then they don't know Della Street......................
Or Paul Drake….
Or Hamilton Burger…
but maybe they do know Hamburglar?
My students don't even all know who Sylvester Stallone is and he's still alive...
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Comments
Obviously it was a con game. Time will tell (hopefully) who the guilty parties are.
Mark, exactly what I just said!! :-)
Mine was just a somewhat condensed version.😀
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Still nothing shows up in a Google search. Are we sure this is real?
I think we can be sure that a report has been made. Beyond that might be another matter.
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I have no idea if any of this is real, but nothing about it makes any sense to me. What financial institution makes a 15 million dollar deal with a new client and has such lax security? Why was there no armored car/security to pick up gold? No one with any sense should release that much gold to two ordinary people without security and proper transportation.
Additionally, I understand that any reputable parties involved would certainly be embarrassed, but what purpose does it serve to hide the details of the crime from the media, etc.? Not to mention that while the $50,000 reward is a joke in and of itself based on the value of the theft, but how is anyone supposed to claim it, if almost no one even knows about the theft?
Philippians 4:4-7
Or, someone hacks the emails of a bunch of financial bigwigs and waits for them to do something interesting.
Or, someone hacks the emails of some company that deals with a lot of bullion, and waits for them to do something interesting.
Such a world we live in...
Even if that occurred, it wouldn’t account for the seemingly ridiculously lax security procedures that had to have been in place at the time the coins were picked up.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Best start to a post in a long time: “Hello Mr. Bozo,”
Now that made me laugh.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
Why thank you, kind sir.😊
I felt that it would have been impolite to start with “Hey Bozo” 😉 even though I personally know him.
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I wonder if the buyer thinks that they may end up with the gold AND an insurance settlement.
Perhaps a sophisticated type of "boating accident" ?
Certainly. The buyer must have put up the $15 million, so the only way anyone can make the big score is if the seller is forced to deliver twice.
Step one---give everyone even remotely involved a polygraph test. It will only take one insider to "crack" for the whole house of cards collapses.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
The seller need not be forced to deliver twice for someone to make the big score. The big score potential is for the two people who took delivery of the coins (and their accomplices).
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Now THIS is an interesting idea 🧐
BHNC #248 … 140 and counting.
I guess we can assume then that they weren't working for the "buyer" of the gold. So the seller or their insurance carrier will need to provide replacement gold or a refund.
Whether the people who left with the gold were working with the buyer or not remains to be seen. It will be very interesting to see what documentation they presented at the time of the pickup, and whether the victim company can reasonably claim that they could not have had that documentation without the cooperation of the buyer.
All I know for sure is that lawyers will be involved.
Still no confirmation of the theft on any news service that I’m aware of. If so, pls post. Otherwise, maybe it’s time to treat this story as fake news.
Regardless of whom, if anyone the thieves were working for, they already made a “big score”. That’s why I posted “ The seller need not be forced to deliver twice for someone to make the big score. The big score potential is for the two people who took delivery of the coins (and their accomplices).”
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
If they are keeping it confidential, there is no reason why it would hit the news. While it could be a mistake, NCIC is a highly credible source. Diligence International also checks out
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My assumption [possibly false] is that the thieves were working on behalf of the buyer, thus the double score for the buyer.
Even if your assumption is correct, how could the buyer end up with a “double score”?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
He couldn't... unless you use the new math where you count the $15 million twice.
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The buyer could hire another crew to steal the second gold delivery, hence a "double score".
They could try it a third time, but that would just be downright greedy. 🤨
Hypothetical scenario:
Party A gives Party B $15 million to buy gold.
Gold arrives.
Party A colludes with Party C to pick up gold using insider knowledge.
Party C picks up gold.
Party A shows at Party B with receipts for $15 million and says “Where’s my gold?”
Still only a single score
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Insurance, if covered.
The gold that Party C picked up was "free", while the replacement gold that Party A eventually gets was paid for.
Party A ends up with a double pile of gold, but they paid for one of them. Unless the paid-for pile is considered a "score" then it is one purchase and one score.
Sounds like party B has been negligent in releasing the Gold!?? This whole incident has been so devoid of facts, and public information one has to wonder what really happened here!???
Clearly insider information was utilized, yet no arrests have been announced!! What's going on behind the curtain!!???
As far as the buyer is concerned it is still stolen so if it is never "recovered" then the seller's insurance carrier would make him whole. Not hard to imagine.
But that's not a score. That's just a return of his money
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He is either going to get replacement gold or an insurance check so double score. He has the original gold which the seller doesn't know about. You don't need to be a Perry Mason in order to figure it out.
No. He paid $15 million, Perry. He could end up with $30 million in gold, but he paid for half of it. It's a single "score".
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
They are apparently waiting for one of us to figure it out for them.
Why did you address me rather than the person you are responding to?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
He didn’t. He was addressing Perry Mason/ BAJJERFAN, who made a reference to the other “Perry”.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I was joking. LOL.
I imagine quite a few of the younger members here never heard of Perry Mason.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Sorry I didn’t realize you were joking, partly, because for a few seconds, I really was wondering why he addressed you.😬
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
If they don't know Perry (mason) then they don't know Della Street......................
Mike
My Indians
Dansco Set
Or Paul Drake….
“The thrill of the hunt never gets old”
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Or Hamilton Burger…
but maybe they do know Hamburglar?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
My students don't even all know who Sylvester Stallone is and he's still alive...
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They're gonna need Asta, Rin Tin Tin and Lassie to solve this conundrum. Maybe Scooby do too!
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Could not have done it; he’s in jail—just ask @blitzdude. Moderator might deem that post doxing.
Plus Inspector Clouseau and Oh, just one more thing Columbo.
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We need McGarrett.
"Book 'em Danno !"
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All the classic detectives should be on all these cases; Kojak, Jim Rockford, Frank Cannon, Sam Spade, even Sherlock Holmes should be on the case....
And what about that great coin collector & TV detective, Barnaby Jones? Bka Buddy Ebsen!
“The thrill of the hunt never gets old”
PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
Copperindian
Copperindian II
Indy Eagles
Gold Rush
Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
Copperindian
Nickelodeon
Early Walkers
Successful transactions: redraider, winesteven, renomedphys, splitaces, oreville, ajaan, Cent1225, onlyroosies, justindan, blitzdude, DesertMoon, johnnyb, Heubschgold, SunshineRareCoins, ParadimeCoins, ndeagles, Southern_Knights, pcgsregistrycollector