Yikes. Yes, many followup questions and concerns. I'm sure the involved 'financial' firm involved would not like to have lots of publicity regarding this.... as publicity could very likely affect trust, reliability and future business. That's a pretty big loss. Perhaps an inside job?
@pmh1nic said:
If this is the first public disclosure of a crime that happened on 7/16/2025 I'm think this gold is out of the country and possibly no longer American gold eagles (total.speculation).
Question, if these coins were melted down is there anyway to trace the gold back to these particular coins?
Since AGEs aren't pure gold they would most likely have the copper and silver refined out.
No need, they have no serial numbers and they're globally liquid. Trying to sell a big home-made ingot would raise more suspicion than groups of AGE's.
As long as you dump them in small lots you'd be ok. It's the quantity that would attract attention, but then you may already have a fence lined up.
@PerryHall said:
If it's not physically in your hands, YOU DON"T POSSESS IT.
That’s an improvement over “If it's not physically in your hands YOU DON'T OWN IT.”
But, since “possess” can mean to “have” or “own”, it’s still incorrect. Next? 😀
https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › possess
1. a : to have and hold as property : own b : to have as an attribute, knowledge, or skill 2. a : to seize and take control of : take into one's possession.
That would also mean that if it were locked in the safe in your house (not physically in your hands) that you don't possess it. I really don't want to carry around everything i own to maintain "possession".
By extension, when you leave the house to go to dinner you are giving up possession of the house itself.
@PerryHall said:
If it's not physically in your hands, YOU DON"T POSSESS IT.
That’s an improvement over “If it's not physically in your hands YOU DON'T OWN IT.”
But, since “possess” can mean to “have” or “own”, it’s still incorrect. Next? 😀
https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › possess
1. a : to have and hold as property : own b : to have as an attribute, knowledge, or skill 2. a : to seize and take control of : take into one's possession.
That would also mean that if it were locked in the safe in your house (not physically in your hands) that you don't possess it. I really don't want to carry around everything i own to maintain "possession".
By extension, when you leave the house to go to dinner you are giving up possession of the house itself.
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NCIC is assisting a financial institution and a Federal Law Enforcement Agency in the investigation of a major gold theft. The offense resulted in the loss of $15 million dollars in one ounce American gold eagles. The financial institution is offering a $50,000 reward for the recovery of the gold and the positive identification of the suspects.
The attachment below will provide additional details.
Oklahoma City Theft
Anyone with information contact:
Doug Davis
817-723-7231
Doug@numismaticcrimes.org
I’m very sorry to hear that. Why did you write “ Who else but Apmex?” ? Are they the only company you think could suffer a “major gold theft”?
No but in Oklahoma City is there anyone else?
Apparently not. But as I mentioned in my reply to @braddick, your question appeared before the details of the theft.
Ok, I pulled it off. Over 5000 ounces, it is conceivable there are other financial institutions that would be getting that much.
@BAJJERFAN said:
If it's not physically in your hands YOU DON'T OWN IT.
I understand the point you’re trying to make, but as stated, your comment is obviously incorrect.
While there could be a theft or conversion of the property, that doesn’t mean you don’t own it.
I'm being practical not theoretical. Don't trust someone else to safekeep it for you. Many have been burned when the PMs they thought they had weren't where they were supposed to have been stored.
As I posted previously, I understood the point you were trying to make. But you could just as easily have done so without stating something that’s clearly wrong - “If it's not physically in your hands YOU DON'T OWN IT.”
@BAJJERFAN made his original point in an abbreviated way that was immediately understood (and with which many people would agree). For some reason you felt a need to correct him, and he then expanded on his comment to provide the full explanation, which was already understood.
You then felt a need to comment further to make the same point again.
You risk turning into another member who routinely does the same sort of thing, which is not a good look for you. Nit-picking derails and destroys these threads.
For the record, yes, you do legally own the precious metals that you buy but choose to let the seller store for you. If the seller was a fraudster or was legitimate but goes bankrupt, yes, you can hire a lawyer and attempt to recover your assets. But all of that costs money and you will likely never see your precious metals. If you take delivery upon purchase, all of that is avoided.
****Guilty, as charged**** - that’s one among other flaws of mine.
Well, let's break this down.
First, guilty of what? Guilt or innocence would arise from a particular and specific act. You don't define that and the posts above yours don't accuse you of anything in particular- only in general.
Second, you were never charged. Being charged with a PCGS forum act of mischief means that a PCGS Official or a Representative has formally accused you, Mark of committing a rules and regulations offense and he or she would also need to believe there's enough evidence to either warn you or place you in forum 'jail', or even ban you. This should initiate the process, that sould then allow the accused to explain in a PM their actions thus lifting any sanctions against them.
Nothing you did Mark rises to that level and thus there would be no 'charges' brought against you.
I am extremely interested in the details of this scam. I'm not sure I've seen a report like this with so little information, not even the agency investigating - and it's a very small reward being offered.
On July 9, 2025, a financial institution arranged for the purchase of $15,000,000 in American Eagle
Gold Coins on behalf of an alleged new client.
The gold coins were delivered to a secure facility in Oklahoma City, OK on July 16, 2025. At 3:05pm
on July 16, 2025, two individuals purported to be associated with the alleged new client arrived at
the facility and provided documents and identification authorizing them to take possession of the
gold coins.
It was later discovered that the two individuals were part of an elaborate scheme that resulted in
the theft of the gold coins.
Photographs from the IDs provided from the incident are provided below.
The financial institution is offering a $50,000 reward for information leading to the recovery of the
gold coins and the positive identification of the two individuals involved.
Please submit your confidential tips to Diligence International Group:
(469) 726-3439
tips@digroup-us.com
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@PerryHall said:
If it's not physically in your hands, YOU DON"T POSSESS IT.
That’s an improvement over “If it's not physically in your hands YOU DON'T OWN IT.”
But, since “possess” can mean to “have” or “own”, it’s still incorrect. Next? 😀
Let me try:
If it's not physically in your hands, YOU DON'T HAVE IT PHYSICALLY IN YOUR HANDS.
@PerryHall said:
If it's not physically in your hands, YOU DON"T POSSESS IT.
That’s an improvement over “If it's not physically in your hands YOU DON'T OWN IT.”
But, since “possess” can mean to “have” or “own”, it’s still incorrect. Next? 😀
Let me try:
If it's not physically in your hands, YOU DON'T HAVE IT PHYSICALLY IN YOUR HANDS.
Good job, even though you yelled. 😀But could someone else have it physically in your hands?😉
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and state the obvious >
Why in the world would anyone in their right mind release $100 dollars in gold, let alone 15 million to the suspects pictured in the “wanted” descriptions?
@ColonelKlinck said:
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and state the obvious >
Why in the world would anyone in their right mind release $100 dollars in gold, let alone 15 million to the suspects pictured in the “wanted” descriptions?
Exactly. Weren't even dressed like security folks.
@PerryHall said:
If it's not physically in your hands, YOU DON"T POSSESS IT.
That’s an improvement over “If it's not physically in your hands YOU DON'T OWN IT.”
But, since “possess” can mean to “have” or “own”, it’s still incorrect. Next? 😀
Let me try:
If it's not physically in your hands, YOU DON'T HAVE IT PHYSICALLY IN YOUR HANDS.
Good job, even though you yelled. 😀But could someone else have it physically in your hands?😉
What if you are hugging someone who has gold in their pockets?
@ColonelKlinck said:
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and state the obvious >
Why in the world would anyone in their right mind release $100 dollars in gold, let alone 15 million to the suspects pictured in the “wanted” descriptions?
@PerryHall said:
If it's not physically in your hands, YOU DON"T POSSESS IT.
That’s an improvement over “If it's not physically in your hands YOU DON'T OWN IT.”
But, since “possess” can mean to “have” or “own”, it’s still incorrect. Next? 😀
Let me try:
If it's not physically in your hands, YOU DON'T HAVE IT PHYSICALLY IN YOUR HANDS.
Good job, even though you yelled. 😀But could someone else have it physically in your hands?😉
Yes. My assertion does not preclude that. (I thought the main clause what supposed to be yelled.)
@ColonelKlinck said:
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and state the obvious >
Why in the world would anyone in their right mind release $100 dollars in gold, let alone 15 million to the suspects pictured in the “wanted” descriptions?
Inside job.
Certainly, reading that way. I still think there is a Big A/OKC connection to the story. Just speculating but the Big A probably sold/transferred the AGEs to this financial firm who arranged transport from there. Not sure about the comment about being in their right mind and releasing anything to those pictures. They look like normal everyday Americans to me. SMPR!
The financial firm would have to get from a Mint Authorized Purchaser which APMEX is. Whoever authorized pickup from wherever/whomever should have provided pics and credentials for those approved to pick up the gold. BIG FAIL SOMEWHERE!
NCIC is assisting a financial institution and a Federal Law Enforcement Agency in the investigation of a major gold theft. The offense resulted in the loss of $15 million dollars in one ounce American gold eagles. The financial institution is offering a $50,000 reward for the recovery of the gold and the positive identification of the suspects.
The attachment below will provide additional details.
Oklahoma City Theft
Anyone with information contact:
Doug Davis
817-723-7231
Doug@numismaticcrimes.org
I’m very sorry to hear that. Why did you write “ Who else but Apmex?” ? Are they the only company you think could suffer a “major gold theft”?
No but in Oklahoma City is there anyone else?
Apparently not. But as I mentioned in my reply to @braddick, your question appeared before the details of the theft.
Ok, I pulled it off. Over 5000 ounces, it is conceivable there are other financial institutions that would be getting that much.
@BAJJERFAN said:
If it's not physically in your hands YOU DON'T OWN IT.
I understand the point you’re trying to make, but as stated, your comment is obviously incorrect.
While there could be a theft or conversion of the property, that doesn’t mean you don’t own it.
I'm being practical not theoretical. Don't trust someone else to safekeep it for you. Many have been burned when the PMs they thought they had weren't where they were supposed to have been stored.
As I posted previously, I understood the point you were trying to make. But you could just as easily have done so without stating something that’s clearly wrong - “If it's not physically in your hands YOU DON'T OWN IT.”
@BAJJERFAN made his original point in an abbreviated way that was immediately understood (and with which many people would agree). For some reason you felt a need to correct him, and he then expanded on his comment to provide the full explanation, which was already understood.
You then felt a need to comment further to make the same point again.
You risk turning into another member who routinely does the same sort of thing, which is not a good look for you. Nit-picking derails and destroys these threads.
For the record, yes, you do legally own the precious metals that you buy but choose to let the seller store for you. If the seller was a fraudster or was legitimate but goes bankrupt, yes, you can hire a lawyer and attempt to recover your assets. But all of that costs money and you will likely never see your precious metals. If you take delivery upon purchase, all of that is avoided.
Guilty, as charged - that’s one among other flaws of mine.
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NCIC is assisting a financial institution and a Federal Law Enforcement Agency in the investigation of a major gold theft. The offense resulted in the loss of $15 million dollars in one ounce American gold eagles. The financial institution is offering a $50,000 reward for the recovery of the gold and the positive identification of the suspects.
The attachment below will provide additional details.
Oklahoma City Theft
Anyone with information contact:
Doug Davis
817-723-7231
Doug@numismaticcrimes.org
I’m very sorry to hear that. Why did you write “ Who else but Apmex?” ? Are they the only company you think could suffer a “major gold theft”?
No but in Oklahoma City is there anyone else?
Apparently not. But as I mentioned in my reply to @braddick, your question appeared before the details of the theft.
Ok, I pulled it off. Over 5000 ounces, it is conceivable there are other financial institutions that would be getting that much.
@BAJJERFAN said:
If it's not physically in your hands YOU DON'T OWN IT.
I understand the point you’re trying to make, but as stated, your comment is obviously incorrect.
While there could be a theft or conversion of the property, that doesn’t mean you don’t own it.
I'm being practical not theoretical. Don't trust someone else to safekeep it for you. Many have been burned when the PMs they thought they had weren't where they were supposed to have been stored.
As I posted previously, I understood the point you were trying to make. But you could just as easily have done so without stating something that’s clearly wrong - “If it's not physically in your hands YOU DON'T OWN IT.”
@BAJJERFAN made his original point in an abbreviated way that was immediately understood (and with which many people would agree). For some reason you felt a need to correct him, and he then expanded on his comment to provide the full explanation, which was already understood.
You then felt a need to comment further to make the same point again.
You risk turning into another member who routinely does the same sort of thing, which is not a good look for you. Nit-picking derails and destroys these threads.
For the record, yes, you do legally own the precious metals that you buy but choose to let the seller store for you. If the seller was a fraudster or was legitimate but goes bankrupt, yes, you can hire a lawyer and attempt to recover your assets. But all of that costs money and you will likely never see your precious metals. If you take delivery upon purchase, all of that is avoided.
****Guilty, as charged**** - that’s one among other flaws of mine.
Well, let's break this down.
First, guilty of what? Guilt or innocence would arise from a particular and specific act. You don't define that and the posts above yours don't accuse you of anything in particular- only in general.
Second, you were never charged. Being charged with a PCGS forum act of mischief means that a PCGS Official or a Representative has formally accused you, Mark of committing a rules and regulations offense and he or she would also need to believe there's enough evidence to either warn you or place you in forum 'jail', or even ban you. This should initiate the process, that sould then allow the accused to explain in a PM their actions thus lifting any sanctions against them.
Nothing you did Mark rises to that level and thus there would be no 'charges' brought against you.
Pat, was that another way of saying that I’m guilty of pleading guilty to an infraction I didn’t commit? Either way, it’s good to know that no charges should be forthcoming😊
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
NCIC is assisting a financial institution and a Federal Law Enforcement Agency in the investigation of a major gold theft. The offense resulted in the loss of $15 million dollars in one ounce American gold eagles. The financial institution is offering a $50,000 reward for the recovery of the gold and the positive identification of the suspects.
The attachment below will provide additional details.
Oklahoma City Theft
Anyone with information contact:
Doug Davis
817-723-7231
Doug@numismaticcrimes.org
I’m very sorry to hear that. Why did you write “ Who else but Apmex?” ? Are they the only company you think could suffer a “major gold theft”?
No but in Oklahoma City is there anyone else?
Apparently not. But as I mentioned in my reply to @braddick, your question appeared before the details of the theft.
Ok, I pulled it off. Over 5000 ounces, it is conceivable there are other financial institutions that would be getting that much.
@BAJJERFAN said:
If it's not physically in your hands YOU DON'T OWN IT.
I understand the point you’re trying to make, but as stated, your comment is obviously incorrect.
While there could be a theft or conversion of the property, that doesn’t mean you don’t own it.
I'm being practical not theoretical. Don't trust someone else to safekeep it for you. Many have been burned when the PMs they thought they had weren't where they were supposed to have been stored.
As I posted previously, I understood the point you were trying to make. But you could just as easily have done so without stating something that’s clearly wrong - “If it's not physically in your hands YOU DON'T OWN IT.”
@BAJJERFAN made his original point in an abbreviated way that was immediately understood (and with which many people would agree). For some reason you felt a need to correct him, and he then expanded on his comment to provide the full explanation, which was already understood.
You then felt a need to comment further to make the same point again.
You risk turning into another member who routinely does the same sort of thing, which is not a good look for you. Nit-picking derails and destroys these threads.
For the record, yes, you do legally own the precious metals that you buy but choose to let the seller store for you. If the seller was a fraudster or was legitimate but goes bankrupt, yes, you can hire a lawyer and attempt to recover your assets. But all of that costs money and you will likely never see your precious metals. If you take delivery upon purchase, all of that is avoided.
****Guilty, as charged**** - that’s one among other flaws of mine.
Well, let's break this down.
First, guilty of what? Guilt or innocence would arise from a particular and specific act. You don't define that and the posts above yours don't accuse you of anything in particular- only in general.
Second, you were never charged. Being charged with a PCGS forum act of mischief means that a PCGS Official or a Representative has formally accused you, Mark of committing a rules and regulations offense and he or she would also need to believe there's enough evidence to either warn you or place you in forum 'jail', or even ban you. This should initiate the process, that sould then allow the accused to explain in a PM their actions thus lifting any sanctions against them.
Nothing you did Mark rises to that level and thus there would be no 'charges' brought against you.
Pat, was that another way of saying that I’m guilty of pleading guilty to an infraction I didn’t commit? Either way, it’s good to know that no charges should be forthcoming😊
different method of theft.
different amount of theft.
different number of suspects.
different locations theft occured at.
different year theft happened.
but hey....they were both in OKC so they must be the same. Thanks Perplexity.
I've not seen anything on the local news or in the paper here in the OKC metro area. You would think this would be a huge story, so I am shocked they have been able to keep it this quiet.
On July 9, 2025, a financial institution arranged for the purchase of $15,000,000 in American Eagle Gold Coins on behalf of an alleged new client.
The gold coins were delivered to a secure facility in Oklahoma City, OK on July 16, 2025. At 3:05pm on July 16, 2025, two individuals purported to be associated with the alleged new client arrived at the facility and provided documents and identification authorizing them to take possession of the gold coins.
It was later discovered that the two individuals were part of an elaborate scheme that resulted in the theft of the gold coins.
The "theft" is convincing the unnamed financial institution to purchase the coins and deliver them to a secure storage facility that you could then socially engineer into/outof
edit: fixed quotes
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@Shabu92 said:
Do you think they'll make a privy version of these coins, if they're recovered? 'Genuine coin stolen July 2025'?
If they did, a lot of collectors would buy it.
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First of all, I would think there are people involved with this theft that are most likely somehow involved in the chain of custody, delivery, and or the initial sourcing of the Gold Eagles?? These 2 individuals didn't just show up at the location of the Gold Eagles and magically have all of the paperwork, names (?) addresses (?) and what they were picking up; a shit-load of Gold Eagles; this wasn't just a bag of 90%!!! How in the world did they know this particular product quantity was there!??
On the release of such a quantity you would think there would have been some type of EXTRA PROTOCALS in place that precluded just anyone walking in and walking out with such value!?? Two supervisors, a supervisor and owner...Any number of additional eyes and ears for verification??
This smells to me like someone left the Swordfish in the trunk of the car for the past week! If this doesn't smell of horrible chain of custody, and transfer procedures, then it boils down to looking internally.....
Were procedures already in place and just not followed? I don't think so.....
@BozoOnBus said:
First of all, I would think there are people involved with this theft that are most likely somehow involved in the chain of custody, delivery, and or the initial sourcing of the Gold Eagles?? These 2 individuals didn't just show up at the location of the Gold Eagles and magically have all of the paperwork, names (?) addresses (?) and what they were picking up; a shit-load of Gold Eagles; this wasn't just a bag of 90%!!! How in the world did they know this particular product quantity was there!??
On the release of such a quantity you would think there would have been some type of EXTRA PROTOCALS in place that precluded just anyone walking in and walking out with such value!?? Two supervisors, a supervisor and owner...Any number of additional eyes and ears for verification??
This smells to me like someone left the Swordfish in the trunk of the car for the past week! If this doesn't smell of horrible chain of custody, and transfer procedures, then it boils down to looking internally.....
Were procedures already in place and just not followed? I don't think so.....
Hello Mr. Bozo,
Based on the limited information provided, it’s hard to imagine that such a theft could have occurred other than by 1) an inside job at either the “financial institution” which arranged for the purchase of the coins or the company which sold them or 2) a setup by the alleged private client of the “financial institution”. How else would the two individuals who took delivery know where to show up, what was supposed to be picked up and what information to provide?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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Yikes. Yes, many followup questions and concerns. I'm sure the involved 'financial' firm involved would not like to have lots of publicity regarding this.... as publicity could very likely affect trust, reliability and future business. That's a pretty big loss. Perhaps an inside job?
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As long as you dump them in small lots you'd be ok. It's the quantity that would attract attention, but then you may already have a fence lined up.
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BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
Change owner possessor to custodian then.
One more suspect
Fair
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You know the old saying? Garbage in Garbage out. It now Google in Google out - same meaning.
.> @Exbrit said:
Why the posting about a different theft from two years ago?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Not at all the same meaning. A proper Google query gives proper responses. That response is appropriate to the query "$15 million gold theft"
I will do a "more proper" search by looking through several months of newspapers. I should have the results in 6-8 weeks.
Strange…but I just found that out. Back to lurking….
Well, let's break this down.
First, guilty of what? Guilt or innocence would arise from a particular and specific act. You don't define that and the posts above yours don't accuse you of anything in particular- only in general.
Second, you were never charged. Being charged with a PCGS forum act of mischief means that a PCGS Official or a Representative has formally accused you, Mark of committing a rules and regulations offense and he or she would also need to believe there's enough evidence to either warn you or place you in forum 'jail', or even ban you. This should initiate the process, that sould then allow the accused to explain in a PM their actions thus lifting any sanctions against them.
Nothing you did Mark rises to that level and thus there would be no 'charges' brought against you.
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I am extremely interested in the details of this scam. I'm not sure I've seen a report like this with so little information, not even the agency investigating - and it's a very small reward being offered.
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may be overseas> @jmlanzaf said:
may be an overseas gang operating in the country
Attachment:
https://files.constantcontact.com/f0e00abc001/248a9964-63c2-46b1-b225-42a3cacadd08.pdf
On July 9, 2025, a financial institution arranged for the purchase of $15,000,000 in American Eagle
Gold Coins on behalf of an alleged new client.
The gold coins were delivered to a secure facility in Oklahoma City, OK on July 16, 2025. At 3:05pm
on July 16, 2025, two individuals purported to be associated with the alleged new client arrived at
the facility and provided documents and identification authorizing them to take possession of the
gold coins.
It was later discovered that the two individuals were part of an elaborate scheme that resulted in
the theft of the gold coins.
Photographs from the IDs provided from the incident are provided below.
The financial institution is offering a $50,000 reward for information leading to the recovery of the
gold coins and the positive identification of the two individuals involved.
Please submit your confidential tips to Diligence International Group:
(469) 726-3439
tips@digroup-us.com
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edit: I’m putting it back thirty posts later—
Nothing convinces me that we have facts.
Finally - thank you. Surprised no one posted that earlier.
Just the coincidence of amounts and lack of info re:current theft if there was a theft.
Jim
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On Facebook, Doug stated that it was not APMEX, but said more information will be coming.
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Let me try:
If it's not physically in your hands, YOU DON'T HAVE IT PHYSICALLY IN YOUR HANDS.
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Thank you, Jim.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Good job, even though you yelled. 😀But could someone else have it physically in your hands?😉
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
So the place willingly handed over the gold. No guns drawn, no stolen mail package, no heist, no hostages, no murders.
They’re sol
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and state the obvious >
Why in the world would anyone in their right mind release $100 dollars in gold, let alone 15 million to the suspects pictured in the “wanted” descriptions?
Exactly. Weren't even dressed like security folks.
What if you are hugging someone who has gold in their pockets?
I would be hoping that it were gold.
Inside job.
Yes. My assertion does not preclude that. (I thought the main clause what supposed to be yelled.)
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Certainly, reading that way. I still think there is a Big A/OKC connection to the story. Just speculating but the Big A probably sold/transferred the AGEs to this financial firm who arranged transport from there. Not sure about the comment about being in their right mind and releasing anything to those pictures. They look like normal everyday Americans to me. SMPR!
The financial firm would have to get from a Mint Authorized Purchaser which APMEX is. Whoever authorized pickup from wherever/whomever should have provided pics and credentials for those approved to pick up the gold. BIG FAIL SOMEWHERE!
Seems like there has to be more to it tho.
Pat, was that another way of saying that I’m guilty of pleading guilty to an infraction I didn’t commit? Either way, it’s good to know that no charges should be forthcoming😊
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Now THAT'S the gif I've been missing for the past few years. Thanks for bringing back a golden oldie!
+1 for the vocabulary lesson.
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Oh, I'm sure we'll think of something.
This is from Perplexity and APMEX per Perplexity is not by the below address
That is hysterically bad for AI.....
different method of theft.
different amount of theft.
different number of suspects.
different locations theft occured at.
different year theft happened.
but hey....they were both in OKC so they must be the same. Thanks Perplexity.
I've not seen anything on the local news or in the paper here in the OKC metro area. You would think this would be a huge story, so I am shocked they have been able to keep it this quiet.
Philippians 4:4-7
Quoting the NCIC bulletin referenced above
The "theft" is convincing the unnamed financial institution to purchase the coins and deliver them to a secure storage facility that you could then socially engineer into/outof
edit: fixed quotes
ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
Do you think they'll make a privy version of these coins, if they're recovered? 'Genuine coin stolen July 2025'?
If they did, a lot of collectors would buy it.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
First of all, I would think there are people involved with this theft that are most likely somehow involved in the chain of custody, delivery, and or the initial sourcing of the Gold Eagles?? These 2 individuals didn't just show up at the location of the Gold Eagles and magically have all of the paperwork, names (?) addresses (?) and what they were picking up; a shit-load of Gold Eagles; this wasn't just a bag of 90%!!! How in the world did they know this particular product quantity was there!??
On the release of such a quantity you would think there would have been some type of EXTRA PROTOCALS in place that precluded just anyone walking in and walking out with such value!?? Two supervisors, a supervisor and owner...Any number of additional eyes and ears for verification??
This smells to me like someone left the Swordfish in the trunk of the car for the past week! If this doesn't smell of horrible chain of custody, and transfer procedures, then it boils down to looking internally.....
Were procedures already in place and just not followed? I don't think so.....
Hello Mr. Bozo,
Based on the limited information provided, it’s hard to imagine that such a theft could have occurred other than by 1) an inside job at either the “financial institution” which arranged for the purchase of the coins or the company which sold them or 2) a setup by the alleged private client of the “financial institution”. How else would the two individuals who took delivery know where to show up, what was supposed to be picked up and what information to provide?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.