I see an error on the Chevy truck on the reverse. The slat grille was used from 1947-1953. However, the windshield should be a split windshield. The one piece windshield wasn’t introduced until 1954 when the grille was also changed to a bullet-nosed type. No big deal.
Same with the Plane, it should be a prop engine, not a modern jet engine. The jet plane looks out of place, maybe they're in the Twilight Zone in that scene?
Not to mention the haircut...this cut was not found during this era, not until years later would young men grow out their flat top cuts. Obviously an overlooked error as well.
Not an error
Kids from Krypton obviously preferred long hair styles instead of crew cuts.
Given that his dad is working on his old 1950s truck, it could well be the 1960s. People are assuming a time period when Superman didn't exist in one. Original superman would have been a boy in the 1930s but the 1950s or 1960s. But that is not the ARTISTIC POINT.
Current Superman would have been a boy in the 2000s...
@JimTyler said:
Ok he’s 110 years old. He’s from Krypton they might live a thousand years.
And Lois and Jimmy haven't aged either...
Jeepers
Jeepers is period correct apparently from the 20s and 30s just before the Superman release.
If the Mint can blend in some contemporary themes they can keep this comic art series thing relevant.....maybe.
All of these characters are contemporary. Batman isn't 110 years old either and Gotham city doesn't have Model As. Batman uses the internet, as does Superman.
I see an error on the Chevy truck on the reverse. The slat grille was used from 1947-1953. However, the windshield should be a split windshield. The one piece windshield wasn’t introduced until 1954 when the grille was also changed to a bullet-nosed type. No big deal.
Same with the Plane, it should be a prop engine, not a modern jet engine. The jet plane looks out of place, maybe they're in the Twilight Zone in that scene?
Not to mention the haircut...this cut was not found during this era, not until years later would young men grow out their flat top cuts. Obviously an overlooked error as well.
Not an error
Hmmm.... hypothetically speaking.... how did young superman get his haircut? Being indestructible and all... kryptonite cllippers? Too much for my mortal mind to contemplate.
They really need a sell out because gold has come down and they will probably have to adjust their price lower next week. They’re still available. Everyone will cancel and re-order.
@goldbuffalo said:
They really need a sell out because gold has come down and they will probably have to adjust their price lower next week. They’re still available. Everyone will cancel and re-order.
Couple years ago VUDU sold a complete set of the original Superman series (6 seasons) for 30 bucks, I had to buy it. They also sold the complete 3 stooges series for 30 bucks. Bet you think I bought that also…..yep I did.
I see an error on the Chevy truck on the reverse. The slat grille was used from 1947-1953. However, the windshield should be a split windshield. The one piece windshield wasn’t introduced until 1954 when the grille was also changed to a bullet-nosed type. No big deal.
Same with the Plane, it should be a prop engine, not a modern jet engine. The jet plane looks out of place, maybe they're in the Twilight Zone in that scene?
Not to mention the haircut...this cut was not found during this era, not until years later would young men grow out their flat top cuts. Obviously an overlooked error as well.
Not an error
Hmmm.... hypothetically speaking.... how did young superman get his haircut? Being indestructible and all... kryptonite cllippers? Too much for my mortal mind to contemplate.
@Rc5280 said:
"The HHL was not removed" --- at noon. It was removed at 12:15(on the website, but not in practice, ie: phone orders at 12:01 could order in bulk)...
If you look at my earlier post it was 12:14 when I mentioned the HHL was lifted.
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@Rc5280 said:
"The HHL was not removed" --- at noon. It was removed at 12:15(on the website, but not in practice, ie: phone orders at 12:01 could order in bulk)...
If you look at my earlier post it was 12:14 when I mentioned the HHL was lifted.
😊
@Rc5280 said:
"The HHL was not removed" --- at noon. It was removed at 12:15(on the website, but not in practice, ie: phone orders at 12:01 could order in bulk)...
I see an error on the Chevy truck on the reverse. The slat grille was used from 1947-1953. However, the windshield should be a split windshield. The one piece windshield wasn’t introduced until 1954 when the grille was also changed to a bullet-nosed type. No big deal.
Same with the Plane, it should be a prop engine, not a modern jet engine. The jet plane looks out of place, maybe they're in the Twilight Zone in that scene?
Not to mention the haircut...this cut was not found during this era, not until years later would young men grow out their flat top cuts. Obviously an overlooked error as well.
Not an error
I was making a statement on the other comments calling out "errors". I think the whole design is fine.
I see an error on the Chevy truck on the reverse. The slat grille was used from 1947-1953. However, the windshield should be a split windshield. The one piece windshield wasn’t introduced until 1954 when the grille was also changed to a bullet-nosed type. No big deal.
Same with the Plane, it should be a prop engine, not a modern jet engine. The jet plane looks out of place, maybe they're in the Twilight Zone in that scene?
Not to mention the haircut...this cut was not found during this era, not until years later would young men grow out their flat top cuts. Obviously an overlooked error as well.
Not an error
I was making a statement on the other comments calling out "errors". I think the whole design is fine...
@Goldbully said:
ATS=Available to Sell
Expected In Stock: Friday, September 19th.
bruh
God comes first in everything I do. I’m dedicated to serving Him with my whole life. Coin collecting is just a hobby—but even in that, I seek to honor Him. ✝️
@jmlanzaf said:
We'll be back up to 5000 available in no time
And this is why - "we're at least 1 pricing level lower now"
Cancel & start over for cheaper?
No. They'll just be canceling
This ^^^^. PLENTY of people bought yesterday because it was heading towards sell out. And then sold out.
Sales picked up today when the HHL was lifted, and dealers got what they wanted. They are still not sold out, AND the price will drop by $40 next week, based on today's spot price.
Anyone who bought as a free option to see what happens will be bailing. Whether that shows up in the next few days or the next few weeks will depend on when the Mint returns them to inventory. But these are now DOA, because selling them for $2K per ounce above spot was just obnoxious for anything with a 10K mintage.
The interesting thing may be—when 5,000 returns inundate the USM; we just don’t know how many have been minted yet.
If we net out at 2500-3000 sold as pre order and they strike to demand; you may have a low mintage piece.
Many will still not take the chance to hold at such a huge premium.
@coiner said:
The interesting thing may be—when 5,000 returns inundate the USM; we just don’t know how many have been minted yet.
If we net out at 2500-3000 sold as pre order and they strike to demand; you may have a low mintage piece.
Many will still not take the chance to hold at such a huge premium.
Actually, not very interesting at all. They are priced at $2,000 per ounce above spot.
There is limited interest at that price. As you noted above. Whatever the mintage turns out to be, that's the demand at that price.
This won't be any different than any other low mintage commemorative no one cares about. No matter how low the mintage is. Because the market knows there is a cap at 10K. And it doesn't care. Because there is nowhere to go but down at $5400 per ounce when spot is $2K below that, and near an all time high at that.
Best case is that you turn out to be right, the final mintage comes in somewhere around 5K, not 2500, because dealers and end users likely already took down around 5K, and they will be going into slabs or collections, not back to the Mint. Dealers will make money even if they have to sell them at $3K in slabs.
With a mintage of 5K, not 10K, maybe, just maybe, they hold their value. Still not worth holding, unless you love it and want to own it. Because there is not going to be a pop if/when final mintage is announced at a number significantly below 10K. That's a given for anything that is, in your words, "DOA -done - toast."
@coiner said:
The interesting thing may be—when 5,000 returns inundate the USM; we just don’t know how many have been minted yet.
If we net out at 2500-3000 sold as pre order and they strike to demand; you may have a low mintage piece.
Huh?
When people cancel, they add that number back to the available count again. Canceled preorders doesn't mean the mint drops a coin to strike. If you are talking about people sending the coins back, then the mint adds them back to sell again as well.
In the larger sense the mint never should have done preorders like this for gold. Thousands of cancellations will come in, and people will keep reordering on the way down until gold stops falling.
@coiner said:
The interesting thing may be—when 5,000 returns inundate the USM; we just don’t know how many have been minted yet.
If we net out at 2500-3000 sold as pre order and they strike to demand; you may have a low mintage piece.
Huh?
When people cancel, they add that number back to the available count again. Canceled preorders doesn't mean the mint drops a coin to strike. If you are talking about people sending the coins back, then the mint adds them back to sell again as well.
In the larger sense the mint never should have done preorders like this for gold. Thousands of cancellations will come in, and people will keep reordering on the way down until gold stops falling.
Since they haven't been struck, they don't have to add them back of they don't want to. There is no point in their striking coins they don't think they can sell.
Edited for comment: Several bids with several days remaining. Just because it doesn't make sense doesn't mean it won't make $.
Slabbed 70. Remains to be seen what the price is on those. Depends on the yield of 70s is. If it's 2 out of 3 and the 69s are selling for less than 2700, could be tough to make any money.
Edited for comment: Several bids with several days remaining. Just because it doesn't make sense doesn't mean it won't make $.
So go buy as many as you want, right now, from the Mint, and go make money. Big Boys have structural advantages over you, primarily around slabbing. And then marketing.
They can do things you can't. Which is why they can make money at $2710 while you can't. Who do you think was responsible for most of the buying over the past two days?
And if these were so good at this price, they'd have been gone by 12:30 p.m. yesterday. Even the Big Boys realize that the Mint and DC already grabbed a lot of the margin that would otherwise have gone to them and to flippers, so their interest is tepid because selling a 1/2 ounce gold coin with a mintage of 10K for $3500-4000 is going to be tough.
And, as the price converges on $3K, the juice simply isn't worth the squeeze for them. $3500 is great, but it isn't going to be sustainable, in quantity, for anything with a mintage of 10K containing $1600-$1700 worth of gold, that is readily available ungraded for $2710. If you think I'm in any way incorrect, here's your chance to quit your day job and become a coin dealer.
@jmlanzaf said:
We'll be back up to 5000 available in no time
And this is why - "we're at least 1 pricing level lower now"
Cancel & start over for cheaper?
No. They'll just be canceling
This ^^^^. PLENTY of people bought yesterday because it was heading towards sell out. And then sold out.
Sales picked up today when the HHL was lifted, and dealers got what they wanted. They are still not sold out, AND the price will drop by $40 next week, based on today's spot price.
Anyone who bought as a free option to see what happens will be bailing. Whether that shows up in the next few days or the next few weeks will depend on when the Mint returns them to inventory. But these are now DOA, because selling them for $2K per ounce above spot was just obnoxious for anything with a 10K mintage.
These are half ounce $1k above spot that is bad enough but you try to make it sound worse.
@jmlanzaf said:
We'll be back up to 5000 available in no time
And this is why - "we're at least 1 pricing level lower now"
Cancel & start over for cheaper?
No. They'll just be canceling
This ^^^^. PLENTY of people bought yesterday because it was heading towards sell out. And then sold out.
Sales picked up today when the HHL was lifted, and dealers got what they wanted. They are still not sold out, AND the price will drop by $40 next week, based on today's spot price.
Anyone who bought as a free option to see what happens will be bailing. Whether that shows up in the next few days or the next few weeks will depend on when the Mint returns them to inventory. But these are now DOA, because selling them for $2K per ounce above spot was just obnoxious for anything with a 10K mintage.
These are half ounce $1k above spot that is bad enough but you try to make it sound worse.
I'm making it sound like exactly what it is. $2K per ounce above spot. $1K per half ounce coin.
Six or half a dozen. Same thing.
It's a half ounce of gold priced at $5400 per ounce when spot is $3400. Which is why they can't sell 10K of them.
They can mark up silver 200% and get away with it because that only works out to $60-70 per coin. Mark up $3400 gold by 60%, much less than 200%, and you are asking for an additional $2,000 per ounce. Or, in this case, a mere $1,000 per half ounce coin.
I'm sorry, but that's just nuts for an original issue price. Does not leave any room for anyone to make enough to make this worth anyone's while. Which is why they will NEVER sell out. Even the Big Boys aren't interested in 10K of them. Because they can't move them at a margin that will make it attractive to them.
Not because Superman isn't a popular subject. Or because the design is unattractive. Or because 10K is a high maximum mintage for a US Mint product.
But because a $2K premium to $3400 gold is outrageous. And because gold NCLT coins are not food, water or shelter. There is a limit to people's tolerance for being taken advantage of.
In hindsight, they probably should have cut the mintage to 5K. They did sell that many in 1.5 hours, and that probably would have been low enough to create some secondary market value. At least initially.
Because the fact that they couldn't sell whatever was left after the HHL was lifted shows dealers had little interest, and it was fully satisfied. And that is going to cause A LOT of what they sold in the first 24 hours to be cancelled.
The Mint and their friends at DC are going to have to figure something out. Because, if this is the reception Superman received out of the gate, their entire 3 year, 9 coin and medal program is already a huge bust.
I used your long winded logic (not yours exactly you didn't talk me out of it but I was thinking along the same lines) to talk myself out of the Bucking Bronco gold coin. Look that up.
@JimTyler said:
I used your long winded logic (not yours exactly you didn't talk me out of it but I was thinking along the same lines) to talk myself out of the Bucking Bronco gold coin. Look that up.
Me too! It was a very high premium at the time on a coin that did not immediately sell out. Lesson learned two years later on the tree coin.
So, sure, anything is possible and these might turn out to be huge winners in 4 years. But I'm not holding my breath or making that bet. Because, as I said above, this is not food or water and demand is not perfectly inelastic for things like this.
$1000 per ounce on $1700 gold was bad. $2000 per ounce on $3400 gold is far worse. In the real market, classic generic gold approaches spot as spot increases. The premium doesn't expand along with the price of gold to maintain a margin.
Percentage wise it's exactly the same. But dollar wise it's double. On top of all time high gold. Bucking Bronco was an ounce of gold for $2700. Four years later, Superman is half the coin for the same price.
Talk about inflation, what's sustainable, and what people are forced to deal with and what they are not. And then get back to me. ALL the other dogs of the past were bailed out by the rising price of gold. As long as that continues forever, everyone will always eventually be fine. Otherwise, probably not so much.
It look like they added more inventory to the 1 ounce medal, it is now at over 62k left. It is probably 100k total.
The nine most popular Dc characters:
Batman
Superman
Wonder Woman
The Flash (usually Barry Allen or Wally West)
Green Lantern (commonly Hal Jordan or John Stewart)
Aquaman
Joker
Harley Quinn
Nightwing (Dick Grayson)
Green lantern and Nightwing will be a tough sell down the road.
Personally I like Superman best grew up in the 60’s watching. I was 12 when original Batman came out but my memories aren’t as clear.
Using hindsight Bronco was a better deal but it was a different world. Gold moved at a snails pace things are changing more rapidly now. I’m up in the are about these but most likely will keep mine. Even if it drops $50 you cancel rebuy and go to the back of the line.
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Given that his dad is working on his old 1950s truck, it could well be the 1960s. People are assuming a time period when Superman didn't exist in one. Original superman would have been a boy in the 1930s but the 1950s or 1960s. But that is not the ARTISTIC POINT.
Current Superman would have been a boy in the 2000s...
Ok he’s 110 years old. He’s from Krypton they might live a thousand years.
And Lois and Jimmy haven't aged either...
Jeepers
And there were 2 different Lois’ in the original series are you saying it’s all a ruse ?
Jeepers is period correct apparently from the 20s and 30s just before the Superman release.
If the Mint can blend in some contemporary themes they can keep this comic art series thing relevant.....maybe.
All of these characters are contemporary. Batman isn't 110 years old either and Gotham city doesn't have Model As. Batman uses the internet, as does Superman.
The HHL was not removed. Many opinions on this forum are subject to change.
4245 available gold and 13,047 of the large silver are available.
My US Mint Commemorative Medal Set
Hmmm.... hypothetically speaking.... how did young superman get his haircut? Being indestructible and all... kryptonite cllippers? Too much for my mortal mind to contemplate.
Noon has come and gone and HHL still at one.
edited to add: Was over 4k remaining at noon, now at 3209.
What gives?
That number just dropped to: 3209
HHL is lifted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3182 remaining.
Glad to see my prediction of a quick sellout was wrong. There is hope for the people.
``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5
They really need a sell out because gold has come down and they will probably have to adjust their price lower next week. They’re still available. Everyone will cancel and re-order.
2881 remaining.....1363 sold since 10:45am EST
Selling nicely it seems.....very steady.
Couple years ago VUDU sold a complete set of the original Superman series (6 seasons) for 30 bucks, I had to buy it. They also sold the complete 3 stooges series for 30 bucks. Bet you think I bought that also…..yep I did.
How do we know it ever gets cut?
does he have superhair that can't get cut?
It was removed at noon as it was supposed to be. 24 hours after release.
"The HHL was not removed" --- at noon. It was removed at 12:15(on the website, but not in practice, ie: phone orders at 12:01 could order in bulk)...
If you look at my earlier post it was 12:14 when I mentioned the HHL was lifted.
😊
I stand corrected, thanks!
Nit meet pick.
Close enough for government work.
Perhaps he goes here...
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I was making a statement on the other comments calling out "errors". I think the whole design is fine.
Yes, except..........
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ATS=Available to Sell
Expected In Stock: Friday, September 19th.
we're at least 1 pricing level lower now
bruh
God comes first in everything I do. I’m dedicated to serving Him with my whole life. Coin collecting is just a hobby—but even in that, I seek to honor Him. ✝️
We'll be back up to 5000 available in no time
And this is why - "we're at least 1 pricing level lower now"
Cancel & start over for cheaper?
No. They'll just be canceling
This ^^^^. PLENTY of people bought yesterday because it was heading towards sell out. And then sold out.
Sales picked up today when the HHL was lifted, and dealers got what they wanted. They are still not sold out, AND the price will drop by $40 next week, based on today's spot price.
Anyone who bought as a free option to see what happens will be bailing. Whether that shows up in the next few days or the next few weeks will depend on when the Mint returns them to inventory. But these are now DOA, because selling them for $2K per ounce above spot was just obnoxious for anything with a 10K mintage.
DOA -done - toast.
The interesting thing may be—when 5,000 returns inundate the USM; we just don’t know how many have been minted yet.
If we net out at 2500-3000 sold as pre order and they strike to demand; you may have a low mintage piece.
Many will still not take the chance to hold at such a huge premium.
An NJ & jm agreement, whoa ✓
The 2.5 oz Silver Medal started out yesterday at 12 noon with an “ats” of 21487 pcs.
Now, just 1.5 days in, and the "ats" is under 9500 pcs.
Thoughts?
Actually, not very interesting at all. They are priced at $2,000 per ounce above spot.
There is limited interest at that price. As you noted above. Whatever the mintage turns out to be, that's the demand at that price.
This won't be any different than any other low mintage commemorative no one cares about. No matter how low the mintage is. Because the market knows there is a cap at 10K. And it doesn't care. Because there is nowhere to go but down at $5400 per ounce when spot is $2K below that, and near an all time high at that.
Best case is that you turn out to be right, the final mintage comes in somewhere around 5K, not 2500, because dealers and end users likely already took down around 5K, and they will be going into slabs or collections, not back to the Mint. Dealers will make money even if they have to sell them at $3K in slabs.
With a mintage of 5K, not 10K, maybe, just maybe, they hold their value. Still not worth holding, unless you love it and want to own it. Because there is not going to be a pop if/when final mintage is announced at a number significantly below 10K. That's a given for anything that is, in your words, "DOA -done - toast."
Even if it sells out in 6 months or a year, the price is going down.
Huh?
When people cancel, they add that number back to the available count again. Canceled preorders doesn't mean the mint drops a coin to strike. If you are talking about people sending the coins back, then the mint adds them back to sell again as well.
In the larger sense the mint never should have done preorders like this for gold. Thousands of cancellations will come in, and people will keep reordering on the way down until gold stops falling.
It's also going to take a superman to make money on these coins and medals.
Since they haven't been struck, they don't have to add them back of they don't want to. There is no point in their striking coins they don't think they can sell.
Edited for comment: Several bids with several days remaining. Just because it doesn't make sense doesn't mean it won't make $.
Slabbed 70. Remains to be seen what the price is on those. Depends on the yield of 70s is. If it's 2 out of 3 and the 69s are selling for less than 2700, could be tough to make any money.
So go buy as many as you want, right now, from the Mint, and go make money. Big Boys have structural advantages over you, primarily around slabbing. And then marketing.
They can do things you can't. Which is why they can make money at $2710 while you can't. Who do you think was responsible for most of the buying over the past two days?
And if these were so good at this price, they'd have been gone by 12:30 p.m. yesterday. Even the Big Boys realize that the Mint and DC already grabbed a lot of the margin that would otherwise have gone to them and to flippers, so their interest is tepid because selling a 1/2 ounce gold coin with a mintage of 10K for $3500-4000 is going to be tough.
And, as the price converges on $3K, the juice simply isn't worth the squeeze for them. $3500 is great, but it isn't going to be sustainable, in quantity, for anything with a mintage of 10K containing $1600-$1700 worth of gold, that is readily available ungraded for $2710. If you think I'm in any way incorrect, here's your chance to quit your day job and become a coin dealer.
These are half ounce $1k above spot that is bad enough but you try to make it sound worse.
I'm making it sound like exactly what it is. $2K per ounce above spot. $1K per half ounce coin.
Six or half a dozen. Same thing.
It's a half ounce of gold priced at $5400 per ounce when spot is $3400. Which is why they can't sell 10K of them.
They can mark up silver 200% and get away with it because that only works out to $60-70 per coin. Mark up $3400 gold by 60%, much less than 200%, and you are asking for an additional $2,000 per ounce. Or, in this case, a mere $1,000 per half ounce coin.
I'm sorry, but that's just nuts for an original issue price. Does not leave any room for anyone to make enough to make this worth anyone's while. Which is why they will NEVER sell out. Even the Big Boys aren't interested in 10K of them. Because they can't move them at a margin that will make it attractive to them.
Not because Superman isn't a popular subject. Or because the design is unattractive. Or because 10K is a high maximum mintage for a US Mint product.
But because a $2K premium to $3400 gold is outrageous. And because gold NCLT coins are not food, water or shelter. There is a limit to people's tolerance for being taken advantage of.
In hindsight, they probably should have cut the mintage to 5K. They did sell that many in 1.5 hours, and that probably would have been low enough to create some secondary market value. At least initially.
Because the fact that they couldn't sell whatever was left after the HHL was lifted shows dealers had little interest, and it was fully satisfied. And that is going to cause A LOT of what they sold in the first 24 hours to be cancelled.
The Mint and their friends at DC are going to have to figure something out. Because, if this is the reception Superman received out of the gate, their entire 3 year, 9 coin and medal program is already a huge bust.
I used your long winded logic (not yours exactly you didn't talk me out of it but I was thinking along the same lines) to talk myself out of the Bucking Bronco gold coin. Look that up.
Me too! It was a very high premium at the time on a coin that did not immediately sell out. Lesson learned two years later on the tree coin.
So, sure, anything is possible and these might turn out to be huge winners in 4 years. But I'm not holding my breath or making that bet. Because, as I said above, this is not food or water and demand is not perfectly inelastic for things like this.
$1000 per ounce on $1700 gold was bad. $2000 per ounce on $3400 gold is far worse. In the real market, classic generic gold approaches spot as spot increases. The premium doesn't expand along with the price of gold to maintain a margin.
Percentage wise it's exactly the same. But dollar wise it's double. On top of all time high gold. Bucking Bronco was an ounce of gold for $2700. Four years later, Superman is half the coin for the same price.
Talk about inflation, what's sustainable, and what people are forced to deal with and what they are not. And then get back to me. ALL the other dogs of the past were bailed out by the rising price of gold. As long as that continues forever, everyone will always eventually be fine. Otherwise, probably not so much.
It look like they added more inventory to the 1 ounce medal, it is now at over 62k left. It is probably 100k total.
The nine most popular Dc characters:
Batman
Superman
Wonder Woman
The Flash (usually Barry Allen or Wally West)
Green Lantern (commonly Hal Jordan or John Stewart)
Aquaman
Joker
Harley Quinn
Nightwing (Dick Grayson)
Green lantern and Nightwing will be a tough sell down the road.
Personally I like Superman best grew up in the 60’s watching. I was 12 when original Batman came out but my memories aren’t as clear.
Using hindsight Bronco was a better deal but it was a different world. Gold moved at a snails pace things are changing more rapidly now. I’m up in the are about these but most likely will keep mine. Even if it drops $50 you cancel rebuy and go to the back of the line.