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Interesting PCGS Rattler
2windy2fish
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Curious if anyone has seen a rattler holder like this before?
The Merc is there for comparison.
Same size as a rattler, clear gasket 4 pin, the PCGS logo is actually raised on the reverse.
The label is similar to an OGH. I looked through the museum of holders and couldn’t find anything similar.
Thoughts?
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That is a gen 2.1 holder. There should be a ring around it but at some point it has been broken off.
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I believe it is a Gen 2.1 holder with the plastic collar removed.
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The holder in question is on the left, perfectly smooth, not sure how the collar could be removed and the 2.1 is a larger diameter holder i believe?
As mentioned, the outer plastic gasket for this generation holder has been removed. I have seen scores of coins in holders like this before. Sometimes folks do it because the original outer plastic gasket gets damaged and snags on everything, sometimes it is done to obtain a "donor" to fix a Doily holder that has lost its gasket and sometimes it is done because folks like a more uniform size with their rattlers.
Regardless of how it was done, it didn't leave PCGS like that and is simply missing the outer plastic ring.
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Also "I believe it is a Gen 2.1 holder with the plastic collar removed."
Bingo.
The outer/perimeter "ring", or "collar" is not mechanically or chemically attached. You can see gaps/voids between the two. There is slight movement between the outer "stacking ring", and the inner slab. I just checked my 2.1.
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Yep - agree with above.
I'm told that some were removed intentionally so it would fit better in the rattler boxes of the era.
Here's how it used to look.
Its nice to see them once and a while
I wonder why anyone would want to remove the gasket?
Fit in the original box, prevent cuts on hands from handling.
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The gasket is the soft plastic insert on the inside of the slab that holds the coin in place. You may be thinking of the rectangular piece around the outside edge of the slab which is the frame or collar and is made of hard brittle plastic which breaks quite easily especially if you drop the slab. I don't think anyone removed them intentionally unless they needed one to repair one of the scarce so-called "doily slabs" that lost its frame or collar. It's one of the several anti-counterfeiting features that PCGS added to their revised slab design after they caught a coin dealer counterfeiting their early generation rattler slab.
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Don't forget you can always reference the holder museum. https://www.pcgs.com/holdermuseum
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This is also a slab label variety Conder 2.5 with the perforated label that appears less often than most PCGS coin holders.