it appears that another account was hacked. PROMETHIUS88

SurfinxHI · July 19, 2025 12:41PM

PROMETHIUS88 account has been hacked or is bad.

EOM

blitzdude · July 19, 2025 12:49PM

@SurfinxHI said:
PROMETHIUS88 account has been hacked or is bad.

EOM

I received a PM earlier today from this account asking if I was interesting any of the recently listed coins and if I would be willing to pay via Bitcoin.

SurfinxHI · July 19, 2025 12:53PM

@blitzdude said:

@SurfinxHI said:
PROMETHIUS88 account has been hacked or is bad.

EOM

I received a PM earlier today from this account asking if I was interesting any of the recently listed coins and if I would be willing to pay via Bitcoin.

Wish you would have posted that. Sadly, I'm fighting now to recover some funds.

I had just completed a deal with him two weeks ago. This deal seemed on the up and up and asked him for verification of who I was talking to, and I asked for a piece of mail with his physical address. It all matched up with his previous details. Did the deal. Deal is no good.

I am starting to not want to continue on this platform due to these items happening. Something is not right here.

Surf

blitzdude · July 19, 2025 12:58PM

@SurfinxHI said:

@blitzdude said:

@SurfinxHI said:
PROMETHIUS88 account has been hacked or is bad.

EOM

I received a PM earlier today from this account asking if I was interesting any of the recently listed coins and if I would be willing to pay via Bitcoin.

Wish you would have posted that. Sadly, I'm fighting now to recover some funds.

I had just completed a deal with him two weeks ago. This deal seemed on the up and up and asked him for verification of who I was talking to, and I asked for a piece of mail with his physical address. It all matched up with his previous details. Did the deal. Deal is no good.

I am starting to not want to continue on this platform due to these items happening. Something is not right here.

Surf

I am sorry, I didn't want to possibly smear an innocent member before I was certain. I too recently completed a deal with the real PROMETHIUS88 so I was hesitant to publicly raise a flag but once I saw all the gold they were offering was well under spot and the request to pay via crypto I knew something had to be off. I posted to the MFeld thread reminding people to be cautious and flagged the for sale post to the Mods. Sorry, I should have done more.

SurfinxHI · July 19, 2025 1:06PM

@blitzdude said:

@SurfinxHI said:

@blitzdude said:

@SurfinxHI said:
PROMETHIUS88 account has been hacked or is bad.

EOM

I received a PM earlier today from this account asking if I was interesting any of the recently listed coins and if I would be willing to pay via Bitcoin.

Wish you would have posted that. Sadly, I'm fighting now to recover some funds.

I had just completed a deal with him two weeks ago. This deal seemed on the up and up and asked him for verification of who I was talking to, and I asked for a piece of mail with his physical address. It all matched up with his previous details. Did the deal. Deal is no good.

I am starting to not want to continue on this platform due to these items happening. Something is not right here.

Surf

I am sorry, I didn't want to possibly smear an innocent member before I was certain. I too recently completed a deal with the real PROMETHIUS88 so I was hesitant to publicly raise a flag but once I saw all the gold they were offering was well under spot and the request to pay via crypto I knew something had to be off. I posted to the MFeld thread reminding people to be cautious and flagged the for sale post to the Mods. Sorry, I should have done more.

yeah...I hear you. there was no request for crypto. and i was replying to him in his original emails to me. ugh. I can't believe they even ginned up a fake bill from Verizon with correct address and (potentially) phone number. Even offered to facetime me.

I wonder if that is how it works. Get your details via facetime or email address...??

blitzdude · July 19, 2025 1:32PM

Yes his PM to me asked about paying in Crypto:

Collectors Universe
10:39 AM (5 hours ago)
to me

Collectors Universe https://forums.collectors.com/

PROMETHIUS88 sent you a message

My wife and I recently retired and purchased some land, so I’ve decided to sell some of my investment gold and silver pieces. I noticed you’re into cryptocurrency—my son recently recommended Bitcoin to me, and I’ve started investing in it as well.

If you’re interested in any of the items from my recent post, I’d be happy to accept Bitcoin or other currencies as payment. Let me know if you’d like more details!

braddick · July 19, 2025 2:47PM

If you are not dealing with Timothy Hadley you are not dealing with PROMETHIUS88.

SurfinxHI · July 19, 2025 2:49PM

@braddick said:
If you are not dealing with Timothy Hadley you are not dealing with PROMETHIUS88.

Sadly, he even had a Verizon bill in that name with the correct address.

blitzdude · July 19, 2025 2:50PM

@braddick said:
If you are not dealing with Timothy Hadley you are not dealing with PROMETHIUS88.

We know this but whoever hacked the account provided photo documents of the said named T.H.

braddick · July 19, 2025 2:50PM

@SurfinxHI said:

@braddick said:
If you are not dealing with Timothy Hadley you are not dealing with PROMETHIUS88.

Sadly, he even had a Verizon bill in that name with the correct address.

That is amazing detail.
What is anyone to do?
I'd guess either have the seller offer to ship first or talk on the phone.

alaura22 · July 19, 2025 3:29PM

caveat emptor
If the deal is too good to be true RUN
Sorry to hear some people got burned

dantheman984 · July 19, 2025 3:53PM

I,also just got burned by this person a few hours ago. 😡

pcgsregistrycollector · July 19, 2025 4:01PM

Don't buy anything from the BST.

JimTyler · July 19, 2025 4:06PM

@pcgsregistrycollector said:
Don't buy anything from the BST.

Don’t say that my deals are not to good to be true.

pcgsregistrycollector · July 19, 2025 4:07PM

@JimTyler said:

@pcgsregistrycollector said:
Don't buy anything from the BST.

Don’t say that my deals are not to good to be true.

Maybe you've been hacked? Just kidding.

JimTyler · July 19, 2025 4:14PM

These guys can hack all the accounts they want nothing happens if no one falls for the too good to be true.

blitzdude · July 19, 2025 4:17PM

@pcgsregistrycollector said:

@JimTyler said:

@pcgsregistrycollector said:
Don't buy anything from the BST.

Don’t say that my deals are not to good to be true.

Maybe you've been hacked? Just kidding.

Not YET! Hopefully they don't shut it down but I believe and hope our host is able to do something. THKS!

derryb · July 19, 2025 4:33PM

PROMETHIUS88 has confirmed to me that his account is hacked and he is locked out.

JimTyler · July 19, 2025 4:56PM

Should I be telling you guys this ? Whenever I do a deal with a new member ( new member to me doing a deal, they might have been here a long time) I goggle earth their address. I google search name and address you might be surprised all you can find. Maybe I’m wrong but can someone hack here and hack everywhere on the internet including google earth to cover their tracks ?

jmski52 · July 19, 2025 4:59PM

What was being offered and how good of a deal was it?

JimTyler · July 19, 2025 5:02PM

@jmski52 said:
What was being offered and how good of a deal was it?

With all due respect to the duped it’s always way to good.

blitzdude · July 19, 2025 5:04PM

@JimTyler said:
Should I be telling you guys this ? Whenever I do a deal with a new member ( new member to me doing a deal, they might have been here a long time) I goggle earth their address. I google search name and address you might be surprised all you can find. Maybe I’m wrong but can someone hack here and hack everywhere on the internet including google earth to cover their tracks ?

That's all good but I suspect you would be very surprised to know what the hack knew about PROMETHIUS88. The street goes both ways and this thug/thugs certainly did their homework.

jmski52 · July 19, 2025 5:16PM

If you are unable to access your own account and believe that you've been hacked, immediately contact several members with whom you've done business and have them post an ALERT.

dantheman984 · July 19, 2025 5:17PM

@blitzdude said:

@JimTyler said:
Should I be telling you guys this ? Whenever I do a deal with a new member ( new member to me doing a deal, they might have been here a long time) I goggle earth their address. I google search name and address you might be surprised all you can find. Maybe I’m wrong but can someone hack here and hack everywhere on the internet including google earth to cover their tracks ?

That's all good but I suspect you would be very surprised to know what the hack knew about PROMETHIUS88. The street goes both ways and this thug/thugs certainly did their homework.

You are correct. He knew a lot about Promethius88. The items that I was going to buy from him was not, "too good to be true". I paid him through paypal FF. I questioned him for references and he said he mainly sell sports cards and has hundreds of deals. If you look at his profile he had a lot of transactions. Sometimes it is not that the buyer`s too easily fooled. He was good at what he did and it sucks! EDITED TO ADD: He also told me him and his wife were trying to save money to buy land.

JimTyler · July 19, 2025 5:18PM

Maybe they should just shut down the BST. I for one could live without it. It’s been fun but not so much anymore.

blitzdude · July 19, 2025 5:23PM

@JimTyler said:
Maybe they should just shut down the BST. I for one could live without it. It’s been fun but not so much anymore.

I certainly hope it doesn't get shut down. I am very thankful for what I have been able to purchase here. Hopefully our host can figure out how to make our accounts more secure.

pcgsregistrycollector · July 19, 2025 5:23PM

@blitzdude said:

@JimTyler said:
Maybe they should just shut down the BST. I for one could live without it. It’s been fun but not so much anymore.

I certainly hope it doesn't get shut down. I am very thankful for what I have been able to purchase here. Hopefully our host can figure out how to make our accounts more secure.

SMPR!!!!!

JimTyler · July 19, 2025 5:24PM

@dantheman984 said:

@blitzdude said:

@JimTyler said:
Should I be telling you guys this ? Whenever I do a deal with a new member ( new member to me doing a deal, they might have been here a long time) I goggle earth their address. I google search name and address you might be surprised all you can find. Maybe I’m wrong but can someone hack here and hack everywhere on the internet including google earth to cover their tracks ?

That's all good but I suspect you would be very surprised to know what the hack knew about PROMETHIUS88. The street goes both ways and this thug/thugs certainly did their homework.

You are correct. He knew a lot about Promethius88. The items that I was going to buy from him was not, "too good to be true". I paid him through paypal FF. I questioned him for references and he said he mainly sell sports cards and has hundreds of deals. If you look at his profile he had a lot of transactions. Sometimes it is not that the buyer`s too easily fooled. He was good at what he did and it sucks! EDITED TO ADD: He also told me him and his wife were trying to save money to buy land.

I see red flags in your statement.
A previous scammer used that same story about buying land. Maybe it’s him again.

dantheman984 · July 19, 2025 5:38PM

@JimTyler said:

@dantheman984 said:

@blitzdude said:

@JimTyler said:
Should I be telling you guys this ? Whenever I do a deal with a new member ( new member to me doing a deal, they might have been here a long time) I goggle earth their address. I google search name and address you might be surprised all you can find. Maybe I’m wrong but can someone hack here and hack everywhere on the internet including google earth to cover their tracks ?

That's all good but I suspect you would be very surprised to know what the hack knew about PROMETHIUS88. The street goes both ways and this thug/thugs certainly did their homework.

You are correct. He knew a lot about Promethius88. The items that I was going to buy from him was not, "too good to be true". I paid him through paypal FF. I questioned him for references and he said he mainly sell sports cards and has hundreds of deals. If you look at his profile he had a lot of transactions. Sometimes it is not that the buyer`s too easily fooled. He was good at what he did and it sucks! EDITED TO ADD: He also told me him and his wife were trying to save money to buy land.

I see red flags in your statement.
A previous scammer used that same story about buying land. Maybe it’s him again.

I did not see that.

mattniss · July 19, 2025 6:55PM

Maybe it's just time to add a few more proof points to any BST post? It's fairly common on FB groups for people to add proof of date / time photos alongside a given coin for sale, if not also buyers asking for public references of sellers (and in some cases, vice versa) before sealing the deal. Of course, it's still buyer beware there, and some people have still been fooled, but these efforts have been largely successful in building trust when there's a coin to be bought or sold.

Nederveit2 · July 19, 2025 7:08PM

How about using PayPal (no FF) and splitting the fee b/w buyer and seller?

skier07 · July 19, 2025 7:15PM

@jmski52 said:
If you are unable to access your own account and believe that you've been hacked, immediately contact several members with whom you've done business and have them post an ALERT.

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pcgsregistrycollector · July 19, 2025 7:16PM

@skier07 said:

@jmski52 said:
If you are unable to access your own account and believe that you've been hacked, immediately contact several members with whom you've done business and have them post an ALERT.

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Nederveit2 · July 19, 2025 7:34PM

I've done business with dozens of members here, but I would not have anyone's contact info outside of this platform.

SurfinxHI · July 19, 2025 7:40PM

I have written this up in the US Forum.

1madman · July 19, 2025 8:24PM

@Nederveit2 said:
How about using PayPal (no FF) and splitting the fee b/w buyer and seller?

You mean have our well established, honest, trustworthy members actually use regular PayPal for a transaction involving actual goods?

Hahahaha. That’s laughable.

Skirting the PayPal system is the MO

MsMorrisine · July 19, 2025 9:29PM

another layer

stop buying and selling with crypto

chattermonkey · July 20, 2025 12:11AM

implementation of 2-factor authentication might be a starting point

jmski52 · July 20, 2025 4:00AM

Have our hosts commented on the hack?

This should concern PCGS in a big way. Not only does it affect BST, but there are any number of collectors here who have valuable collections and could become targets in similar ways to what has already happened - i.e. a private message solicitation from a well-known member whose account had been hacked.

MFeld · July 20, 2025 6:59AM

@SurfinxHI said:
PROMETHIUS88 account has been hacked or is bad.

EOM

@SurfinxHI, I’m sorry for you and anyone else who got taken.

Would you mind posting some details regarding the coins and prices, so forum members can get an idea regarding how enticing the deals were?

MFeld · July 20, 2025 6:59AM

@PCGS_Moderator, can someone from PCGS post and offer some information on this disturbing trend, please?

Downtown1974 · July 20, 2025 7:22AM

@MFeld unlike BAJJERFANs prices, it wasn’t exactly a fire sale. Mostly raw world gold pieces. He had a couple of ICG graded quarter eagles that seemed priced low in the mid $400 range.

@MFeld said:

Would you mind posting some details regarding the coins and prices, so forum members can get an idea regarding how enticing the deals were?

HalfDime · July 20, 2025 8:19AM

This is what the hacker PMd me. I can only guess but this site has little in forcing people to have secure passwords with upper and lower case, plus symbols. A timeout after three attempts to sign on is another need to stop them.

MFeld · July 20, 2025 8:49AM

@Downtown1974 said:
@MFeld unlike BAJJERFANs prices, it wasn’t exactly a fire sale. Mostly raw world gold pieces. He had a couple of ICG graded quarter eagles that seemed priced low in the mid $400 range.

@MFeld said:

Would you mind posting some details regarding the coins and prices, so forum members can get an idea regarding how enticing the deals were?

Thank you. If you’re able to say, approximately how far below a realistic fair market value that the coins would be expected to trade at, were they priced?

blitzdude · July 20, 2025 9:05AM

@MFeld said:

@Downtown1974 said:
@MFeld unlike BAJJERFANs prices, it wasn’t exactly a fire sale. Mostly raw world gold pieces. He had a couple of ICG graded quarter eagles that seemed priced low in the mid $400 range.

@MFeld said:

Would you mind posting some details regarding the coins and prices, so forum members can get an idea regarding how enticing the deals were?

Thank you. If you’re able to say, approximately how far below a realistic fair market value that the coins would be expected to trade at, were they priced?

They had 2 - $2.5 Indians listed at $330 each in IGC holders, 1/10 Krugerrand $300, 1/4 Krugerrand $800, 1ozt PAMP bar $3200 etc. There were also a couple of 10g gold bars, some additional 1/4 and 1/10 gold all offered under spot. 20 or so assorted gutter rounds at 37.50.

MFeld · July 20, 2025 9:10AM

@blitzdude said:

@MFeld said:

@Downtown1974 said:
@MFeld unlike BAJJERFANs prices, it wasn’t exactly a fire sale. Mostly raw world gold pieces. He had a couple of ICG graded quarter eagles that seemed priced low in the mid $400 range.

@MFeld said:

Would you mind posting some details regarding the coins and prices, so forum members can get an idea regarding how enticing the deals were?

Thank you. If you’re able to say, approximately how far below a realistic fair market value that the coins would be expected to trade at, were they priced?

They had 2 - $2.5 Indians listed at $330 each in IGC holders, 1/10 Krugerrand $300, 1/4 Krugerrand $800, 1ozt PAMP bar $3200 etc. There were also a couple of 10g gold bars, some additional 1/4 and 1/10 gold all offered under spot. 20 or so assorted gutter rounds at 37.50.

Thanks very much.

blitzdude · July 20, 2025 9:14AM

@MFeld said:

@blitzdude said:

@MFeld said:

@Downtown1974 said:
@MFeld unlike BAJJERFANs prices, it wasn’t exactly a fire sale. Mostly raw world gold pieces. He had a couple of ICG graded quarter eagles that seemed priced low in the mid $400 range.

@MFeld said:

Would you mind posting some details regarding the coins and prices, so forum members can get an idea regarding how enticing the deals were?

Thank you. If you’re able to say, approximately how far below a realistic fair market value that the coins would be expected to trade at, were they priced?

They had 2 - $2.5 Indians listed at $330 each in IGC holders, 1/10 Krugerrand $300, 1/4 Krugerrand $800, 1ozt PAMP bar $3200 etc. There were also a couple of 10g gold bars, some additional 1/4 and 1/10 gold all offered under spot. 20 or so assorted gutter rounds at 37.50.

Thanks very much.

Melt on those quarter eagles is currently $405 each so the $330 listed was one flag to me anyway. Should mention they were both graded at IGC/AU58.

MFeld · July 20, 2025 9:28AM

@blitzdude said:

@MFeld said:

@blitzdude said:

@MFeld said:

@Downtown1974 said:
@MFeld unlike BAJJERFANs prices, it wasn’t exactly a fire sale. Mostly raw world gold pieces. He had a couple of ICG graded quarter eagles that seemed priced low in the mid $400 range.

@MFeld said:

Would you mind posting some details regarding the coins and prices, so forum members can get an idea regarding how enticing the deals were?

Thank you. If you’re able to say, approximately how far below a realistic fair market value that the coins would be expected to trade at, were they priced?

They had 2 - $2.5 Indians listed at $330 each in IGC holders, 1/10 Krugerrand $300, 1/4 Krugerrand $800, 1ozt PAMP bar $3200 etc. There were also a couple of 10g gold bars, some additional 1/4 and 1/10 gold all offered under spot. 20 or so assorted gutter rounds at 37.50.

Thanks very much.

Melt on those quarter eagles is currently $405 each so the $330 listed was one flag to me anyway. Should mention they were both graded at IGC/AU58.

Yes, that would be a major red flag to me - even if XF condition, they should bring over melt value, wholesale.

SurfinxHI · July 20, 2025 10:44AM

again, we can say what we want and sharp shoot all day long, but the gold quarter ounces were priced fairly, and were not certified. Thus, it was a risk either way. I appreciate you all. I hope you change your personal details with the system, as I do not think this is an isolated 2x incident. I think more have been compromised and you just don't know it yet. And they are getting way, way smarter.

And, yes, there were flags, which is why I asked for additional proof.....

MFeld · July 20, 2025 11:12AM

@SurfinxHI said:
again, we can say what we want and sharp shoot all day long, but the gold quarter ounces were priced fairly, and were not certified. Thus, it was a risk either way. I appreciate you all. I hope you change your personal details with the system, as I do not think this is an isolated 2x incident. I think more have been compromised and you just don't know it yet. And they are getting way, way smarter.

And, yes, there were flags, which is why I asked for additional proof.....

I (and I’m sure many others) appreciate your postings and warnings. And I agree that other accounts have probably been compromised even if the victims don’t know it yet.

SurfinxHI · July 20, 2025 12:21PM

I hate to say this, but AGAIN, change your passwords. Looks like another one is hacked.

it appears that another account was hacked. PROMETHIUS88

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