@UpGrayedd said:
Yikes, when a person finds themselves in a hole, the first thing they should do is stop digging.
Yes. Yikes. I'll take it under advisement, even though you've already posted
@UpGrayedd said:
Everyone on this board knows exactly who, and what you are, you just like to argue. If the OP had posted that the USPS will NOT insure against damage you would have taken the opposite side and then posted the terms of service.
And no, I would never trust you or do business with you.
so I'm not sure what you think you're adding here. But please feel free to keep piling on. Maybe at some point I'll feel like I have been put in my place, or sufficiently beaten into submission to the point where I'll give you what you want. Maybe.
In the meantime, I'm sticking to my guns, humbled in the knowledge that I'll never get to do business with you.
LOL, I add more to this forum than you do. I've never seen you try to help anyone or post a coin (I'm not even certain you collect coins). All you do is argue incessantly. Furthermore, please don't tell me when or when I can't post in a thread as if you were in charge or that your opinion mattered.
Yeah. I'm not sure what the fuss is about, considering it's a $25 claim that isn't being filed.
Some folks just NEED to try to put me in my place. Because, theoretically, the claim could not only be filed, but, depending on the alignment of the moon and the stars, could even possibly be paid.
Because @jmlanzaf once successfully filed a claim on a music box, and even though I have seen multiple claims denied because the package was deemed to have not been adequately secured. Because items placed for delivery with the USPS and not hand held from point to point, and there are no guarantees with respect to damage if items are not properly protected.
No matter what people quote from their T&Cs. Pointing to what they say is one thing. Documenting a claim to their satisfaction, and getting them to write a check, is something else entirely. As though the people wagging their fingers at me don't already know this.
A guy who works for a company that ships hundreds or thousands of slabs a week, but doesn't "work in the shipping department or have anything to with or knowledge of shipping claims and their outcomes" has to weigh in, with no firsthand knowledge. Because it's an opportunity to put me in my place. Understood.
Your original post didn't say it was hard to make a claim, it categorically denied that USPS damage insurance exists. Most of us would agree that it can be difficult. But no one who can read is going to agree that damage insurance doesn't exist.
Frankly, it is odd, even for you, to cling so stubbornly to a demonstrably false claim.
Yeah. I'm not sure what the fuss is about, considering it's a $25 claim that isn't being filed.
Some folks just NEED to try to put me in my place. Because, theoretically, the claim could not only be filed, but, depending on the alignment of the moon and the stars, could even possibly be paid.
Because @jmlanzaf once successfully filed a claim on a music box, and even though I have seen multiple claims denied because the package was deemed to have not been adequately secured. Because items placed for delivery with the USPS and not hand held from point to point, and there are no guarantees with respect to damage if items are not properly protected.
No matter what people quote from their T&Cs. Pointing to what they say is one thing. Documenting a claim to their satisfaction, and getting them to write a check, is something else entirely. As though the people wagging their fingers at me don't already know this.
A guy who works for a company that ships hundreds or thousands of slabs a week, but doesn't "work in the shipping department or have anything to with or knowledge of shipping claims and their outcomes" has to weigh in, with no firsthand knowledge. Because it's an opportunity to put me in my place. Understood.
Your original post didn't say it was hard to make a claim, it categorically denied that USPS damage insurance exists. Most of us would agree that it can be difficult. But no one who can read is going to agree that damage insurance doesn't exist.
Frankly, it is odd, even for you, to cling so stubbornly to a demonstrably false claim.
Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. I wish I could hit the agree button multiple times.
@UpGrayedd said:
Yikes, when a person finds themselves in a hole, the first thing they should do is stop digging.
Yes. Yikes. I'll take it under advisement, even though you've already posted
@UpGrayedd said:
Everyone on this board knows exactly who, and what you are, you just like to argue. If the OP had posted that the USPS will NOT insure against damage you would have taken the opposite side and then posted the terms of service.
And no, I would never trust you or do business with you.
so I'm not sure what you think you're adding here. But please feel free to keep piling on. Maybe at some point I'll feel like I have been put in my place, or sufficiently beaten into submission to the point where I'll give you what you want. Maybe.
In the meantime, I'm sticking to my guns, humbled in the knowledge that I'll never get to do business with you.
LOL, I add more to this forum than you do. I've never seen you try to help anyone or post a coin (I'm not even certain you collect coins). All you do is argue incessantly. Furthermore, please don't tell me when or when I can't post in a thread as if you were in charge or that your opinion mattered.
Not telling you when or what to post. Just wondering what you think you are adding to what you already said.
@UpGrayedd said:
Yikes, when a person finds themselves in a hole, the first thing they should do is stop digging.
Yes. Yikes. I'll take it under advisement, even though you've already posted
@UpGrayedd said:
Everyone on this board knows exactly who, and what you are, you just like to argue. If the OP had posted that the USPS will NOT insure against damage you would have taken the opposite side and then posted the terms of service.
And no, I would never trust you or do business with you.
so I'm not sure what you think you're adding here. But please feel free to keep piling on. Maybe at some point I'll feel like I have been put in my place, or sufficiently beaten into submission to the point where I'll give you what you want. Maybe.
In the meantime, I'm sticking to my guns, humbled in the knowledge that I'll never get to do business with you.
LOL, I add more to this forum than you do. I've never seen you try to help anyone or post a coin (I'm not even certain you collect coins). All you do is argue incessantly. Furthermore, please don't tell me when or when I can't post in a thread as if you were in charge or that your opinion mattered.
Not telling you when or what to post. Just wondering what you think you are adding to what you already said.
Yeah. I'm not sure what the fuss is about, considering it's a $25 claim that isn't being filed.
Some folks just NEED to try to put me in my place. Because, theoretically, the claim could not only be filed, but, depending on the alignment of the moon and the stars, could even possibly be paid.
Because @jmlanzaf once successfully filed a claim on a music box, and even though I have seen multiple claims denied because the package was deemed to have not been adequately secured. Because items placed for delivery with the USPS and not hand held from point to point, and there are no guarantees with respect to damage if items are not properly protected.
No matter what people quote from their T&Cs. Pointing to what they say is one thing. Documenting a claim to their satisfaction, and getting them to write a check, is something else entirely. As though the people wagging their fingers at me don't already know this.
A guy who works for a company that ships hundreds or thousands of slabs a week, but doesn't "work in the shipping department or have anything to with or knowledge of shipping claims and their outcomes" has to weigh in, with no firsthand knowledge. Because it's an opportunity to put me in my place. Understood.
Your original post didn't say it was hard to make a claim, it categorically denied that USPS damage insurance exists. Most of us would agree that it can be difficult. But no one who can read is going to agree that damage insurance doesn't exist.
Frankly, it is odd, even for you, to cling so stubbornly to a demonstrably false claim.
True. I literally said:
@NJCoin said:
No. Insurance is for if something is lost or stolen. The USPS is not responsible for damage, given that mail is handled by machines. The sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage. Not to mention that $25 is not an insurance claim worth bringing.
I guess I should have also said a damage claim would be paid if a package was totally destroyed. I thought that was implied by "[t]he sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage."
I stand corrected. I forgot that everything needs to be literally, painstakingly spelled out here. Because exceptions rule, and they must be addressed and adequately accounted for.
Yeah. I'm not sure what the fuss is about, considering it's a $25 claim that isn't being filed.
Some folks just NEED to try to put me in my place. Because, theoretically, the claim could not only be filed, but, depending on the alignment of the moon and the stars, could even possibly be paid.
Because @jmlanzaf once successfully filed a claim on a music box, and even though I have seen multiple claims denied because the package was deemed to have not been adequately secured. Because items placed for delivery with the USPS and not hand held from point to point, and there are no guarantees with respect to damage if items are not properly protected.
No matter what people quote from their T&Cs. Pointing to what they say is one thing. Documenting a claim to their satisfaction, and getting them to write a check, is something else entirely. As though the people wagging their fingers at me don't already know this.
A guy who works for a company that ships hundreds or thousands of slabs a week, but doesn't "work in the shipping department or have anything to with or knowledge of shipping claims and their outcomes" has to weigh in, with no firsthand knowledge. Because it's an opportunity to put me in my place. Understood.
Your original post didn't say it was hard to make a claim, it categorically denied that USPS damage insurance exists. Most of us would agree that it can be difficult. But no one who can read is going to agree that damage insurance doesn't exist.
Frankly, it is odd, even for you, to cling so stubbornly to a demonstrably false claim.
True. I literally said:
@NJCoin said:
No. Insurance is for if something is lost or stolen. The USPS is not responsible for damage, given that mail is handled by machines. The sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage. Not to mention that $25 is not an insurance claim worth bringing.
I guess I should have also said a damage claim would be paid if a package was totally destroyed. I thought that implied by "[t]he sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage." I stand corrected. I forgot that everything needs to be literally, painstakingly spelled out here. Because exceptions rule, and they must be addressed and adequately accounted for.
Yeah. I'm not sure what the fuss is about, considering it's a $25 claim that isn't being filed.
Some folks just NEED to try to put me in my place. Because, theoretically, the claim could not only be filed, but, depending on the alignment of the moon and the stars, could even possibly be paid.
Because @jmlanzaf once successfully filed a claim on a music box, and even though I have seen multiple claims denied because the package was deemed to have not been adequately secured. Because items placed for delivery with the USPS and not hand held from point to point, and there are no guarantees with respect to damage if items are not properly protected.
No matter what people quote from their T&Cs. Pointing to what they say is one thing. Documenting a claim to their satisfaction, and getting them to write a check, is something else entirely. As though the people wagging their fingers at me don't already know this.
A guy who works for a company that ships hundreds or thousands of slabs a week, but doesn't "work in the shipping department or have anything to with or knowledge of shipping claims and their outcomes" has to weigh in, with no firsthand knowledge. Because it's an opportunity to put me in my place. Understood.
Your original post didn't say it was hard to make a claim, it categorically denied that USPS damage insurance exists. Most of us would agree that it can be difficult. But no one who can read is going to agree that damage insurance doesn't exist.
Frankly, it is odd, even for you, to cling so stubbornly to a demonstrably false claim.
True. I literally said:
@NJCoin said:
No. Insurance is for if something is lost or stolen. The USPS is not responsible for damage, given that mail is handled by machines. The sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage. Not to mention that $25 is not an insurance claim worth bringing.
I guess I should have also said a damage claim would be paid if a package was totally destroyed. I thought that implied by "[t]he sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage." I stand corrected. I forgot that everything needs to be literally, painstakingly spelled out here. Because exceptions rule, and they must be addressed and adequately accounted for.
It's not an exception, but keep digging.
To me, it is. Because, to me, it is obvious that a package destroyed by a machine would be covered by insurance, while a slab that was chipped because it was not properly protected within a package that was delivered intact would not be. Thought that's literally what I was saying by saying "[t]he sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage."
@grote15 said:
The hassle of filing a USPS claim is not even worth the $25.
@Coins3675 said:
I know it is a headache to deal with a USPS claim and it isn't really worth going through the hassle for $25.
I’ve filed a few claims with USPS for damage (cracked slabs). It’s not a hassle or a headache. Fill in the blanks on the online form, copy and paste an eBay link (or auction house link) for proof of value and a picture of the damage. Less than 5 minutes and it is something you paid for ($100 included in USPS GA).
@grote15 said:
The hassle of filing a USPS claim is not even worth the $25.
@Coins3675 said:
I know it is a headache to deal with a USPS claim and it isn't really worth going through the hassle for $25.
I’ve filed a few claims with USPS for damage (cracked slabs). It’s not a hassle or a headache. Fill in the blanks on the online form, copy and paste an eBay link (or auction house link) for proof of value and a picture of the damage. Less than 5 minutes and it is something you paid for ($100 included in USPS GA).
Did you ever get them paid, without evidence that the package was destroyed? If so, what did you get?
Yeah. I'm not sure what the fuss is about, considering it's a $25 claim that isn't being filed.
Some folks just NEED to try to put me in my place. Because, theoretically, the claim could not only be filed, but, depending on the alignment of the moon and the stars, could even possibly be paid.
Because @jmlanzaf once successfully filed a claim on a music box, and even though I have seen multiple claims denied because the package was deemed to have not been adequately secured. Because items placed for delivery with the USPS and not hand held from point to point, and there are no guarantees with respect to damage if items are not properly protected.
No matter what people quote from their T&Cs. Pointing to what they say is one thing. Documenting a claim to their satisfaction, and getting them to write a check, is something else entirely. As though the people wagging their fingers at me don't already know this.
A guy who works for a company that ships hundreds or thousands of slabs a week, but doesn't "work in the shipping department or have anything to with or knowledge of shipping claims and their outcomes" has to weigh in, with no firsthand knowledge. Because it's an opportunity to put me in my place. Understood.
Your original post didn't say it was hard to make a claim, it categorically denied that USPS damage insurance exists. Most of us would agree that it can be difficult. But no one who can read is going to agree that damage insurance doesn't exist.
Frankly, it is odd, even for you, to cling so stubbornly to a demonstrably false claim.
True. I literally said:
@NJCoin said:
No. Insurance is for if something is lost or stolen. The USPS is not responsible for damage, given that mail is handled by machines. The sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage. Not to mention that $25 is not an insurance claim worth bringing.
I guess I should have also said a damage claim would be paid if a package was totally destroyed. I thought that implied by "[t]he sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage." I stand corrected. I forgot that everything needs to be literally, painstakingly spelled out here. Because exceptions rule, and they must be addressed and adequately accounted for.
It's not an exception, but keep digging.
To me, it is. Because, to me, it is obvious that a package destroyed by a machine would be covered by insurance, while a slab that was chipped because it was not properly protected within a package that was delivered intact would not be. Thought that's literally what I was saying by saying "[t]he sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage."
Guess not. My bad. You win. Ding, ding, ding. 🤣
Except you didn't say that. You literally said:
@NJCoin said: No. Insurance is for if something is lost or stolen. The USPS is not responsible for damage, given that mail is handled by machines. The sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage. Not to mention that $25 is not an insurance claim worth bringing.
Yeah. I'm not sure what the fuss is about, considering it's a $25 claim that isn't being filed.
Some folks just NEED to try to put me in my place. Because, theoretically, the claim could not only be filed, but, depending on the alignment of the moon and the stars, could even possibly be paid.
Because @jmlanzaf once successfully filed a claim on a music box, and even though I have seen multiple claims denied because the package was deemed to have not been adequately secured. Because items placed for delivery with the USPS and not hand held from point to point, and there are no guarantees with respect to damage if items are not properly protected.
No matter what people quote from their T&Cs. Pointing to what they say is one thing. Documenting a claim to their satisfaction, and getting them to write a check, is something else entirely. As though the people wagging their fingers at me don't already know this.
A guy who works for a company that ships hundreds or thousands of slabs a week, but doesn't "work in the shipping department or have anything to with or knowledge of shipping claims and their outcomes" has to weigh in, with no firsthand knowledge. Because it's an opportunity to put me in my place. Understood.
Your original post didn't say it was hard to make a claim, it categorically denied that USPS damage insurance exists. Most of us would agree that it can be difficult. But no one who can read is going to agree that damage insurance doesn't exist.
Frankly, it is odd, even for you, to cling so stubbornly to a demonstrably false claim.
True. I literally said:
@NJCoin said:
No. Insurance is for if something is lost or stolen. The USPS is not responsible for damage, given that mail is handled by machines. The sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage. Not to mention that $25 is not an insurance claim worth bringing.
I guess I should have also said a damage claim would be paid if a package was totally destroyed. I thought that implied by "[t]he sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage." I stand corrected. I forgot that everything needs to be literally, painstakingly spelled out here. Because exceptions rule, and they must be addressed and adequately accounted for.
It's not an exception, but keep digging.
To me, it is. Because, to me, it is obvious that a package destroyed by a machine would be covered by insurance, while a slab that was chipped because it was not properly protected within a package that was delivered intact would not be. Thought that's literally what I was saying by saying "[t]he sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage."
Guess not. My bad. You win. Ding, ding, ding. 🤣
Except you didn't say that. You literally said:
@NJCoin said: No. Insurance is for if something is lost or stolen. The USPS is not responsible for damage, given that mail is handled by machines. The sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage. Not to mention that $25 is not an insurance claim worth bringing.
For some reason you just keep digging.
Yes. I keep digging. It's what I do.
And for some reason, it bothers you to no end.
For some reason. Because I don't feel the need to give in to a bunch of hyper literal internet critics.
It is what it is. Just keep sniping whenever anyone posts anything related. It's all good, and none of it bothers me. Not even a little.
Yeah. I'm not sure what the fuss is about, considering it's a $25 claim that isn't being filed.
Some folks just NEED to try to put me in my place. Because, theoretically, the claim could not only be filed, but, depending on the alignment of the moon and the stars, could even possibly be paid.
Because @jmlanzaf once successfully filed a claim on a music box, and even though I have seen multiple claims denied because the package was deemed to have not been adequately secured. Because items placed for delivery with the USPS and not hand held from point to point, and there are no guarantees with respect to damage if items are not properly protected.
No matter what people quote from their T&Cs. Pointing to what they say is one thing. Documenting a claim to their satisfaction, and getting them to write a check, is something else entirely. As though the people wagging their fingers at me don't already know this.
A guy who works for a company that ships hundreds or thousands of slabs a week, but doesn't "work in the shipping department or have anything to with or knowledge of shipping claims and their outcomes" has to weigh in, with no firsthand knowledge. Because it's an opportunity to put me in my place. Understood.
Your original post didn't say it was hard to make a claim, it categorically denied that USPS damage insurance exists. Most of us would agree that it can be difficult. But no one who can read is going to agree that damage insurance doesn't exist.
Frankly, it is odd, even for you, to cling so stubbornly to a demonstrably false claim.
True. I literally said:
@NJCoin said:
No. Insurance is for if something is lost or stolen. The USPS is not responsible for damage, given that mail is handled by machines. The sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage. Not to mention that $25 is not an insurance claim worth bringing.
I guess I should have also said a damage claim would be paid if a package was totally destroyed. I thought that implied by "[t]he sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage." I stand corrected. I forgot that everything needs to be literally, painstakingly spelled out here. Because exceptions rule, and they must be addressed and adequately accounted for.
It's not an exception, but keep digging.
To me, it is. Because, to me, it is obvious that a package destroyed by a machine would be covered by insurance, while a slab that was chipped because it was not properly protected within a package that was delivered intact would not be. Thought that's literally what I was saying by saying "[t]he sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage."
Guess not. My bad. You win. Ding, ding, ding. 🤣
Except you didn't say that. You literally said:
@NJCoin said: No. Insurance is for if something is lost or stolen. The USPS is not responsible for damage, given that mail is handled by machines. The sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage. Not to mention that $25 is not an insurance claim worth bringing.
For some reason you just keep digging.
Yes. I keep digging. It's what I do.
And for some reason, it bothers you to no end.
For some reason. Because I don't feel the need to give in to a bunch of hyper literal internet critics.
It is what it is. Just keep sniping whenever anyone posts anything related. It's all good, and none of it bothers me. Not even a little.
Yeah. I'm not sure what the fuss is about, considering it's a $25 claim that isn't being filed.
Some folks just NEED to try to put me in my place. Because, theoretically, the claim could not only be filed, but, depending on the alignment of the moon and the stars, could even possibly be paid.
Because @jmlanzaf once successfully filed a claim on a music box, and even though I have seen multiple claims denied because the package was deemed to have not been adequately secured. Because items placed for delivery with the USPS and not hand held from point to point, and there are no guarantees with respect to damage if items are not properly protected.
No matter what people quote from their T&Cs. Pointing to what they say is one thing. Documenting a claim to their satisfaction, and getting them to write a check, is something else entirely. As though the people wagging their fingers at me don't already know this.
A guy who works for a company that ships hundreds or thousands of slabs a week, but doesn't "work in the shipping department or have anything to with or knowledge of shipping claims and their outcomes" has to weigh in, with no firsthand knowledge. Because it's an opportunity to put me in my place. Understood.
Your original post didn't say it was hard to make a claim, it categorically denied that USPS damage insurance exists. Most of us would agree that it can be difficult. But no one who can read is going to agree that damage insurance doesn't exist.
Frankly, it is odd, even for you, to cling so stubbornly to a demonstrably false claim.
True. I literally said:
@NJCoin said:
No. Insurance is for if something is lost or stolen. The USPS is not responsible for damage, given that mail is handled by machines. The sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage. Not to mention that $25 is not an insurance claim worth bringing.
I guess I should have also said a damage claim would be paid if a package was totally destroyed. I thought that implied by "[t]he sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage." I stand corrected. I forgot that everything needs to be literally, painstakingly spelled out here. Because exceptions rule, and they must be addressed and adequately accounted for.
It's not an exception, but keep digging.
To me, it is. Because, to me, it is obvious that a package destroyed by a machine would be covered by insurance, while a slab that was chipped because it was not properly protected within a package that was delivered intact would not be. Thought that's literally what I was saying by saying "[t]he sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage."
Guess not. My bad. You win. Ding, ding, ding. 🤣
Except you didn't say that. You literally said:
@NJCoin said: No. Insurance is for if something is lost or stolen. The USPS is not responsible for damage, given that mail is handled by machines. The sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage. Not to mention that $25 is not an insurance claim worth bringing.
For some reason you just keep digging.
Yes. I keep digging. It's what I do.
And for some reason, it bothers you to no end.
For some reason. Because I don't feel the need to give in to a bunch of hyper literal internet critics.
It is what it is. Just keep sniping whenever anyone posts anything related. It's all good, and none of it bothers me. Not even a little.
Hyper literal? You categorically stated that insurance is not for damage. We gave you numerous chances to back off that absolute statement. Instead, you double and tripled down until now when you claim we read it wrong
There is not a lot of room to interpret "No. Insurance is for if something is lost or stolen. The USPS is not responsible for damage..." because machines???
USPS is responsible for damage and sells insurance against it.
But, I know this is as close to a retraction as you are capable of making. So, thanks.
I look forward to your future complaint that we are NOT taking you literally
@NJCoin said:
Did you ever get them paid, without evidence that the package was destroyed? If so, what did you get?
I think I’ve filed 3 or 4 claims and one was denied that I never followed up on. The two I remember were chipped holders and all that was requested was pictures of the damage and the original packaging, and in neither case was the packaging destroyed. I don’t think one even really showed any real damage from the outside, I think the slabs were just jammed in there too tight and the box was on the bottom of a pile somewhere and got crushed just enough. They were approved in about a week and I got a check in the mail about a week after that.
IIRC, one was maxed at $100 because the value was over $100, one was a cheaper coin and they gave $50 or so. Both times at the value of the coin and both times it was USPS Ground Advantage.
One claim for missing mail was odd and gives everyone even more to discuss…
I filed a claim for a missing low value bullion-coin (ASE maybe?) that had tracking stuck and went MIA. I sent the information and received a partial denial and only $15 because they considered it cash and not numismatic.
@NJCoin said:
Did you ever get them paid, without evidence that the package was destroyed? If so, what did you get?
I think I’ve filed 3 or 4 claims and one was denied that I never followed up on. The two I remember were chipped holders and all that was requested was pictures of the damage and the original packaging, and in neither case was the packaging destroyed. I don’t think one even really showed any real damage from the outside, I think the slabs were just jammed in there too tight and the box was on the bottom of a pile somewhere and got crushed just enough. They were approved in about a week and I got a check in the mail about a week after that.
IIRC, one was maxed at $100 because the value was over $100, one was a cheaper coin and they gave $50 or so. Both times at the value of the coin and both times it was USPS Ground Advantage.
One claim for missing mail was odd and gives everyone even more to discuss…
I filed a claim for a missing low value bullion-coin (ASE maybe?) that had tracking stuck and went MIA. I sent the information and received a partial denial and only $15 because they considered it cash and not numismatic.
Thank you for taking the time to post that. It certainly sounds like more than the “theoretical coverage” that a certain poster has been claiming is all that’s provided by the U.S.P.S.. I wonder what new excuse he’ll give for not admitting that this statement of his was incorrect:
“ No. Insurance is for if something is lost or stolen. The USPS is not responsible for damage, given that mail is handled by machines…”
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@NJCoin said:
Did you ever get them paid, without evidence that the package was destroyed? If so, what did you get?
I think I’ve filed 3 or 4 claims and one was denied that I never followed up on. The two I remember were chipped holders and all that was requested was pictures of the damage and the original packaging, and in neither case was the packaging destroyed. I don’t think one even really showed any real damage from the outside, I think the slabs were just jammed in there too tight and the box was on the bottom of a pile somewhere and got crushed just enough. They were approved in about a week and I got a check in the mail about a week after that.
IIRC, one was maxed at $100 because the value was over $100, one was a cheaper coin and they gave $50 or so. Both times at the value of the coin and both times it was USPS Ground Advantage.
One claim for missing mail was odd and gives everyone even more to discuss…
I filed a claim for a missing low value bullion-coin (ASE maybe?) that had tracking stuck and went MIA. I sent the information and received a partial denial and only $15 because they considered it cash and not numismatic.
Thank you for taking the time to post that. It certainly sounds like more than the “theoretical coverage” that a certain poster has been claiming is all that’s provided by the U.S.P.S.. I wonder what new excuse he’ll give for not admitting that this statement of his was incorrect:
“ No. Insurance is for if something is lost or stolen. The USPS is not responsible for damage, given that mail is handled by machines…”
He's decided that we are just too literal in our interpretation. I, personally, intend to be far more creative in my reading of his future posts.
@NJCoin said:
Did you ever get them paid, without evidence that the package was destroyed? If so, what did you get?
I think I’ve filed 3 or 4 claims and one was denied that I never followed up on. The two I remember were chipped holders and all that was requested was pictures of the damage and the original packaging, and in neither case was the packaging destroyed. I don’t think one even really showed any real damage from the outside, I think the slabs were just jammed in there too tight and the box was on the bottom of a pile somewhere and got crushed just enough. They were approved in about a week and I got a check in the mail about a week after that.
IIRC, one was maxed at $100 because the value was over $100, one was a cheaper coin and they gave $50 or so. Both times at the value of the coin and both times it was USPS Ground Advantage.
One claim for missing mail was odd and gives everyone even more to discuss…
I filed a claim for a missing low value bullion-coin (ASE maybe?) that had tracking stuck and went MIA. I sent the information and received a partial denial and only $15 because they considered it cash and not numismatic.
Thank you for taking the time to post that. It certainly sounds like more than the “theoretical coverage” that a certain poster has been claiming is all that’s provided by the U.S.P.S.. I wonder what new excuse he’ll give for not admitting that this statement of his was incorrect:
“ No. Insurance is for if something is lost or stolen. The USPS is not responsible for damage, given that mail is handled by machines…”
He's decided that we are just too literal in our interpretation. I, personally, intend to be far more creative in my reading of his future posts.
"The sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage" implies, under any reasonable interpretation, that the sender cannot be responsible for damage when the entire package is destroyed by the USPS.
I honestly didn't realize that needed to be said, or I would have said it. I also can't believe we are on Page 2 of a thread dedicated, not to USPS damage coverage, but to putting me in my place. Don't get me wrong -- I'm flattered. I just can't believe it.
I invite you to be as creative as you can bring yourself to be. I enjoy the back and forth. Particularly when others feel compelled to join in.
@NJCoin said:
Did you ever get them paid, without evidence that the package was destroyed? If so, what did you get?
I think I’ve filed 3 or 4 claims and one was denied that I never followed up on. The two I remember were chipped holders and all that was requested was pictures of the damage and the original packaging, and in neither case was the packaging destroyed. I don’t think one even really showed any real damage from the outside, I think the slabs were just jammed in there too tight and the box was on the bottom of a pile somewhere and got crushed just enough. They were approved in about a week and I got a check in the mail about a week after that.
IIRC, one was maxed at $100 because the value was over $100, one was a cheaper coin and they gave $50 or so. Both times at the value of the coin and both times it was USPS Ground Advantage.
One claim for missing mail was odd and gives everyone even more to discuss…
I filed a claim for a missing low value bullion-coin (ASE maybe?) that had tracking stuck and went MIA. I sent the information and received a partial denial and only $15 because they considered it cash and not numismatic.
Thank you for taking the time to post that. It certainly sounds like more than the “theoretical coverage” that a certain poster has been claiming is all that’s provided by the U.S.P.S.. I wonder what new excuse he’ll give for not admitting that this statement of his was incorrect:
“ No. Insurance is for if something is lost or stolen. The USPS is not responsible for damage, given that mail is handled by machines…”
He's decided that we are just too literal in our interpretation. I, personally, intend to be far more creative in my reading of his future posts.
"The sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage" implies, under any reasonable interpretation, that the sender cannot be responsible for damage when the entire package is destroyed by the USPS.
I honestly didn't realize that needed to be said, or I would have said it. I also can't believe we are on Page 2 of a thread dedicated, not to USPS damage coverage, but to putting me in my place. Don't get me wrong -- I'm flattered. I just can't believe it.
I invite you to be as creative as you can bring yourself to be. I enjoy the back and forth. Particularly when others feel compelled to join in.
We appreciate this unconditional apology. We are flattered that you consider us to be the greatest numismatists of our time and aspire to be more like us.
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LOL, I add more to this forum than you do. I've never seen you try to help anyone or post a coin (I'm not even certain you collect coins). All you do is argue incessantly. Furthermore, please don't tell me when or when I can't post in a thread as if you were in charge or that your opinion mattered.
Philippians 4:4-7
Your original post didn't say it was hard to make a claim, it categorically denied that USPS damage insurance exists. Most of us would agree that it can be difficult. But no one who can read is going to agree that damage insurance doesn't exist.
Frankly, it is odd, even for you, to cling so stubbornly to a demonstrably false claim.
Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. I wish I could hit the agree button multiple times.
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Not telling you when or what to post. Just wondering what you think you are adding to what you already said.
I could ask you the same question...
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True. I literally said:
I guess I should have also said a damage claim would be paid if a package was totally destroyed. I thought that was implied by "[t]he sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage."
I stand corrected. I forgot that everything needs to be literally, painstakingly spelled out here. Because exceptions rule, and they must be addressed and adequately accounted for.
Ding, ding ding. We have a winner! 🤣
It's not an exception, but keep digging.
Philippians 4:4-7
To me, it is. Because, to me, it is obvious that a package destroyed by a machine would be covered by insurance, while a slab that was chipped because it was not properly protected within a package that was delivered intact would not be. Thought that's literally what I was saying by saying "[t]he sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage."
Guess not. My bad. You win. Ding, ding, ding. 🤣
I’ve filed a few claims with USPS for damage (cracked slabs). It’s not a hassle or a headache. Fill in the blanks on the online form, copy and paste an eBay link (or auction house link) for proof of value and a picture of the damage. Less than 5 minutes and it is something you paid for ($100 included in USPS GA).
Did you ever get them paid, without evidence that the package was destroyed? If so, what did you get?
Except you didn't say that. You literally said:
For some reason you just keep digging.
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Yes. I keep digging. It's what I do.
And for some reason, it bothers you to no end.
For some reason. Because I don't feel the need to give in to a bunch of hyper literal internet critics.
It is what it is. Just keep sniping whenever anyone posts anything related. It's all good, and none of it bothers me. Not even a little.
LOL, obviously it does.
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Hyper literal? You categorically stated that insurance is not for damage. We gave you numerous chances to back off that absolute statement. Instead, you double and tripled down until now when you claim we read it wrong
There is not a lot of room to interpret "No. Insurance is for if something is lost or stolen. The USPS is not responsible for damage..." because machines???
USPS is responsible for damage and sells insurance against it.
But, I know this is as close to a retraction as you are capable of making. So, thanks.
I look forward to your future complaint that we are NOT taking you literally
I think I’ve filed 3 or 4 claims and one was denied that I never followed up on. The two I remember were chipped holders and all that was requested was pictures of the damage and the original packaging, and in neither case was the packaging destroyed. I don’t think one even really showed any real damage from the outside, I think the slabs were just jammed in there too tight and the box was on the bottom of a pile somewhere and got crushed just enough. They were approved in about a week and I got a check in the mail about a week after that.
IIRC, one was maxed at $100 because the value was over $100, one was a cheaper coin and they gave $50 or so. Both times at the value of the coin and both times it was USPS Ground Advantage.
One claim for missing mail was odd and gives everyone even more to discuss…
I filed a claim for a missing low value bullion-coin (ASE maybe?) that had tracking stuck and went MIA. I sent the information and received a partial denial and only $15 because they considered it cash and not numismatic.
Thank you for taking the time to post that. It certainly sounds like more than the “theoretical coverage” that a certain poster has been claiming is all that’s provided by the U.S.P.S.. I wonder what new excuse he’ll give for not admitting that this statement of his was incorrect:
“ No. Insurance is for if something is lost or stolen. The USPS is not responsible for damage, given that mail is handled by machines…”
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
He's decided that we are just too literal in our interpretation. I, personally, intend to be far more creative in my reading of his future posts.
"The sender is responsible for securing anything fragile in such as way as to prevent damage" implies, under any reasonable interpretation, that the sender cannot be responsible for damage when the entire package is destroyed by the USPS.
I honestly didn't realize that needed to be said, or I would have said it. I also can't believe we are on Page 2 of a thread dedicated, not to USPS damage coverage, but to putting me in my place. Don't get me wrong -- I'm flattered. I just can't believe it.
I invite you to be as creative as you can bring yourself to be. I enjoy the back and forth. Particularly when others feel compelled to join in.
We appreciate this unconditional apology. We are flattered that you consider us to be the greatest numismatists of our time and aspire to be more like us.