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1981 Topps Nolan Rayn PSA 10 last sold for $6,900. The PSA 9 is current selling for $225.
The last sgc 9.5 sold for $340.
I understand that PSA is the leader in card values, but this makes zero sense to me. There are only 6 9.5's. and only 2 sgc 10's. I would assume at a minimum, the 9.5 would be about double of the psa 9, $450. I certainly wouldn't sell one for $340.
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Who sold the PSA 10?
Have you seen the prices of GM Card's ungraded cards lately? It's mind blowing on some of the ones I've tracked.
I'm sure there's a big sub-industry of cracking out PSA graded cards and submitting to GM Cards because many are selling for way above the graded versions in a hope for a "10" -- head scratcher for me.
Then they have an option to send your card directly to PSA and they offer a price for the service, directly from eBay.
Erik
This looks to be the way to go..Have Heritage or GM do it for you and then you may get better grades?
Not sure who sold the PSA 10, but I found it on 130point. SOld in 2024.
Saw an article about how these days modern raw cards are selling for more than the PSA 9 price cause I mean, hey, it could be a 10.
Makes me think of a Family Guy episode where Peter and his friends won a prize and they could pick between a boat or a mystery box. Everyone took the boat except Peter. He took the mystery box, his logic being, hey, it could be anything. It could be a boat. He got tickets to a comedy show.
So I do think there will be a real market for the crack-outs if it seems someone or someones can convince themselves it just might be a....
Most of the vintage GM cards do not look like 10's in my opinion.
I do think there is more to the story on the GM cards..Paul Harvey..
I would think the logic still applies, just maybe shake up the grades. Maybe the GM folks are thinking they would rather have the raw than the PSA 8. Cause that raw card could maybe be a 9. I had that kind of optimism with their stuff for a very brief period of time. Then I picked my teeth off the floor and moved on.
If you want a logical explanation of that which makes zero sense, you're in the wrong business. Who is Nolan Rayn? [scratching chin]
re: GMC - I look at their auctions on a daily basis. There is precious little in older vintage to consider which could merit a PSA 10 from what I've seen recently. They have been selling a heckuva lotta nice cards. But the angle for many buyers, myself included, is to obtain cards which present nicely as raw and don't require further opinions at an additional cost. They exist free of the debate over who would give it a higher grade.
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More interesting tidbit: The most recent sale of the 1981 Topps Ryan PSA 10 was for $12,134.40 via Memory Lane on May 31st of this year, almost doubling all prior sales from 2024. The PSA 9 example has just recently cracked the $200 plateau a couple of times, but has ranged in average around $166
I also viewed the SGC 9.5 which sold for $340 and it's pretty darn nice. If the desire was to own such a card, it would be difficult because so few have been graded by them. I agree it "could" or "should" be worth more.
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As someone who loves the 81 Topps set and has submitted my fair share I'll say that trying to get a 10 on one of those is about as likely as The Oakland/Sacramento/LV A's winning the World Series this year.
It could happen but the odds are looong.
I did get a 10 on an 81 Blyleven traded last year and felt like the world stopped moving.
I got a 1981 Topps Henderson in 10 last year and have been digging out boxes of 1981 and 82 Stars I also have a 1980 Topps cut card case but it’s missing the Henderson sheet unfortunately. I’ve been debating opening it. I’ve seen huge numbers for 10s from those years but the Henderson 81 and 82!are the only ones I’ve ever received in 10
Never gotten a 10 on a sub with Rickey, but did buy one about 10 years ago. The way that card has increased in value is insane.
It must be lost on me, but I cannot imagine paying $12k for an 81 Ryan card. even if it graded a PSA 20!!
It has to be registry guys, no?
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
100% agree. I could buy a 1957 Willy Mays PSA 8, 1957 Hank Aaron PSA 8 and 1957 Roberto Clemente in PSA 8 for about 12K instead of the 81 Ryan in PSA 10.
nice info on the $12k sell. so psa 9's are less than 2% of the 10. that has to be some type of record difference between 9's and 10's of the same card.
the sgc 9.5 pop 6 has got to be more than $340. that dude got one heck of a deal. if i were to sell one, i would list it at least at $750, prolly $1,000.
Just checked the PSA estimate on my 81 Henderson 9 and 10. The 10 is estimated at $4,500 and the 9 at $87. Seems a little insane but who knows how accurate either of those may be at an auction.
So a collector could purchase 51 PSA 9's or one PSA 10 that won't look much better or no better than a good portion of the 51 PSA 9's. Seems completely insane to me.
What you fail to understand is that the people who pay the big bucks for certain cards literally don’t care what you or anyone thinks about it. They are competing for the pleasure of owning the best of the best or moving up the Registry for player Master sets. They aren’t “collectors”. They are warriors. Your accusations of insanity may apply, but if you have a bottomless bank account, you’re the buyer whom sellers love the most.
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Just innocently lurking on the board, as I usually do nightly, and this made my stomach drop. Hit a 10 on an ‘81 Rickey out of BBCE vending on my first or second ever PSA sub years ago and consigned it later and made off with about tree fiddy. Wow, had no idea it had gone that nuclear. Sickening.
I self-subbed a PSA 10 George Brett I pulled from vending about 10 years ago. I remember it was about a $200 card back then. I wonder what its value is today as I haven't tracked the 81 set in quite a while.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
'81 Ryan, that's funny.... basically, the start of junk wax era. Deep pocket registry guy I would assume. SGC 9.5... so little graded compared to PSA and I still don't know anyone who cares about SGC pop.
What would a 81 OPC Ryan PSA 10 be worth?
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Sounds like Family Guy got their idea from the scene in UHF - Wheel of Fish !
So, of course I had to go for a look at pricing. It's over $1200 on average these days. Per VCP, there have been 25 PSA 10 examples of this card sold since April, 2023, with over half of them - 13 - being sold by 4SC.
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Just about every PSA 10 1991 tiffany and opc in the last month has been sold by 4sc. And I mean there is hundreds. The PSA pop report essentially is run by 4sc at least from 1981 and up.
ABout a year to a year and half ago I let everyone on the board know that one was available for $3,000 on ebay. I don't pay that much for my cards but I thought the dudes on the board might want it. and someone did buy it about 5 days after I posted about it, but i have no idea if it was someone who posts here (maybe Tom OPC?). At the time the Topps had sold for $6,900.
When I submitted the 81 and 82 Henderson’s I sent 5 or 6 of each. The 81’s in 9 sold in the $100 range give or take. The 82’s around $50
Here's the 1981 Topps Ryan PSA10 for $12,134.40 from Memory Lane.
Upper Right/Lower Left Corners? Print dots on face? Centering?
But I guess it's a bargain compared to the 1981 Topps Coca Cola Ryan PSA10 selling for $151,000 on ebay. LOL
I bought a PSA 10 from GM Cards on eBay and I'm cracking it out to submit to PSA in hopes of an "11".
Either that, or I'm laundering money from my crypto-currency account.
This is SARCASM
Erik
PSA 9
I've never bought into the hype between a "9" to a "10".
FWIW, the PSA 10 Ryan above looks really nice to me. Print marks on this face? I'm pretty sure those are his moles.
Erik
I didn't dive that deep into checking, but the couple I saw didn't have such a stark black when zooming.
But now checking a few more examples, you may be right.
Still, if I was submitting this card, I would consider myself lucky if I got a 9.
Maybe bump along lower left-upper right looks fine
No print dots that would bother me
Centering would start this grade as a 9 for me
Registry guys do love their 10's!
I think a LOT of wealthy investors have also jumped on the "10" bandwagon.
I can't remember if it was a Tom Seaver rookie card or not, but I searched the top registry Seaver sets and noticed there weren't many 10's in the top ranked sets. I was a little surprised.
Graded cards started around 1990 (?) and we have had a nice long period to track their investment performance.
If I have money to invest, I'm buying PSA 10's of HOFers rookie cards. MAYBE a second year card or other unusually scarce issue, but I'm not wasting money on a 12th year Killebrew card. Those cards are bought up by us player collectors in the registry.
Nolan Ryan seems to be an exception, a LOT of people are buying his "10's" for insane prices. Doesn't matter the year. Griffey Jr as well, but to a slightly lesser extent.
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What about those dark scratches above his collar? Oh, that's just chest hair.
....and a 5 o'clock shadow.....
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you never know when you're bidding against a "Phil"
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This has been discussed before but its worth showing again. This is the only PSA 10 in existence and the card sold for $9,900. Corner wear on at least 2 corners and a big black smudge. Card was submitted by 4sharpcorners. I have two PSA 8's that look better.
Nothing to do with this thread. You just can't let it go.
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I dont really invest in cards, but I have collected for going on 40 years. I like to have nice high grade rookie cards of my players and maybe a graded second year card, but after that, nice raw copies are just fine for me.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I can't see the difference between a well centered 9 and an outrageously priced 10.
Nothing to do with this thread. You just can't let it go.
Disagree. I responded to this comment:
@RonSportscards said:
Here's the 1981 Topps Ryan PSA10 for $12,134.40 from Memory Lane.
Upper Right/Lower Left Corners? Print dots on face? Centering?
He thought the card was over graded and I posted another PSA 10 that was over graded. With all do respect its you who can't let it go. If you or another poster brought up a topic 50 times there might be a few more posters who get to read about it for the first time. Plus if a topic is brought up numerous times I or any poster does not have to read it. This is a message board about sports cards and the more topics/comments the better.
No one who has posted in this thread has used the term "overgraded". Until you. It's ok to criticize the cards we see posted here. It's a free country and a message board full of varying opinions. You have once again offered your persistent complaint about a card which is already done, finished, graded and bought. In all the years i've been posting here, I've never seen someone so infatuated with an issue for which they just can't seem to stop complaining. It's time to move on. You think the card is wrongly graded. Fine. It still has nothing to do with this discussion. NOTHING.
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I think everyone is deserving of beating a dead horse into oblivion.
One of mine is the Minnesota Wild -- cannot stand their name, team colors, logo. I cannot let go of how much better the North Stars are - the logo, the colors, the affinity to the state. If there can be a Red Sox and White Sox - there can be a Stars and North Stars. Good thing I wasn't born when the Minneapolis Lakers moved to Los Angeles - LOL!
Erik
Again I disagree. As long as I don't break any of the rules I will continue to post what I want and if there's ever a future thread about an over graded card there's a good chance I will bring up the Eckersley again. You and every other poster has the same right and I would never tell anyone what not to post.
Also who's complaining. I have no stake in the 79 Eckersley. I did not bid on the card. Commenting on the sale is not complaining or being infatuated. I'm discussing the grade/sale - nothing more.
I agree - the Minnesota North Starts are a far superior name. Same with the Washington Redskins.
I have two PSA 8's that look better.
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Not sure what this is supposed to mean?
I prefer Wild to North Stars as a name. I also prefer the Wild logo to the North Stars logo. I wouldn’t consider these close. The North Stars logo was a ‘N’ pointing to a star. North stars? There’s a North Star and it’s called Polaris and other than being northish and in a well-known constellation there’s nothing special about Polaris. It’s not even that bright.
Polaris is a 5Sharpcorners submission, and obviously why it's completely overgraded.
So, you prefer a mangy coyote with a lemon on top of his head. Mmmm k. 😏
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