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Aspie_RoccoAspie_Rocco Posts: 3,576 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited July 11, 2025 10:17PM in U.S. Coin Forum

This is not a pcgs graded coin but this description is accurate

How many complete steps do you see?

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  • pcgsregistrycollectorpcgsregistrycollector Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 11, 2025 10:29PM

    To be honest I only see four. Other people might disagree, but the bottom fifth step looks to be too convoluted on the right side. Did PCGS grade this as a FS?

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,146 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I see 4 to

  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,842 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Top step plus the four under it equals five.

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  • CregCreg Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Changing my vote from two to zero.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Creg said:
    Changing my vote from two to zero.

    You don't think the top step is full?

  • Aspie_RoccoAspie_Rocco Posts: 3,576 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is not a PCGS coin. It was graded by another company.
    It is a coin going for over $3,000 exclusively because of its “full step” designation.
    I have recently been doing a lot of introspection in hopes of deciphering the difference between my rigid ASD traits and reality, regarding nickels designated as “full steps.” I am looking for other opinions since I recognize that I may be too strict following the “letter of the law”
    Are there steps there? Yes in my opinion. Are they full? Unequivocally NO in my opinion
    I do not see a single complete step. Nicks, hits, steps bridged, incomplete (not fully struck). Not even one is complete or “full” in my opinion as per PCGS definition.

    @pcgsregistrycollector said:
    To be honest I only see four. Other people might disagree, but the bottom fifth step looks to be too convoluted on the right side. Did PCGS grade this as a FS?

  • CregCreg Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Creg said:
    Changing my vote from two to zero.

    You don't think the top step is full?

    There are two tops steps. Which one? (They look like a twizzler.)

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,540 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I see top and 2nd and 3rd I'm giving with a maybe. There is a reason 5 step Jeffs are so valuable.
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  • rooksmithrooksmith Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭✭

    I see 4 steps. But that may be because of the lighting. I believe there are 5 steps possible. Here's a photo of a photograde photo of what full steps looks like:

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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,801 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The top step and second step are full, the other four have contact marks that bridge multiple steps or are merged with another step.

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  • stockdude_stockdude_ Posts: 504 ✭✭✭

    I collect Jeffersons. Full steps dont interest me. Full strikes do. Not the same thing btw

  • Coins3675Coins3675 Posts: 250 ✭✭✭

    I only see 4 steps

  • Clackamas1Clackamas1 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 12, 2025 2:39PM

    The problem I have is with the steps under column 2. I would have to see it in hand if it is there then it is FS

    You can see the original PCGS page with the photos using the wayback machine.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20150121083238/https://www.pcgs.com/news/tips-from-the-grading-room-part-3

  • 4Redisin4Redisin Posts: 609 ✭✭✭

    @coinbuf said:
    The top step and second step are full, the other four have contact marks that bridge multiple steps or are merged with another step.

    My two cents. Please correct me if this is wrong.

    A full step nickel must have six steps separated by a distinct line. The top step is number 1. A coin can have these full steps as described HOWEVER, if there is any kind of mark across a line for each set THEN THAT FULL STEP NICKEL DOES NOT GET THE FS DESIGNATION.

    I vote that the OP's coin has three complete steps because the fourth and others are not complete.

  • Clackamas1Clackamas1 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @4Redisin said:

    @coinbuf said:
    The top step and second step are full, the other four have contact marks that bridge multiple steps or are merged with another step.

    My two cents. Please correct me if this is wrong.

    A full step nickel must have six steps separated by a distinct line. The top step is number 1. A coin can have these full steps as described HOWEVER, if there is any kind of mark across a line for each set THEN THAT FULL STEP NICKEL DOES NOT GET THE FS DESIGNATION.

    I vote that the OP's coin has three complete steps because the fourth and others are not complete.

    5 full steps. Many will have 6 steps depending on the date/mm and die style.

  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,842 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PCGS stopped assigning the FS designation to meet their published criteria a long time ago.

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  • taropatch99taropatch99 Posts: 195 ✭✭✭

    @Clackamas1 said:
    The problem I have is with the steps under column 2. I would have to see it in hand if it is there then it is FS

    You can see the original PCGS page with the photos using the wayback machine.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20150121083238/https://www.pcgs.com/news/tips-from-the-grading-room-part-3

    Samson has done messed with that column. It seems there are four.

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  • gorebelsgorebels Posts: 103 ✭✭✭

    The top ‘step’, broken by design by the two center pillars, is not a step.

    I count (4).

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,716 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the top fifth step is actually considered a step, then I see three full steps, otherwise, I only see two.

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  • 4Redisin4Redisin Posts: 609 ✭✭✭

    The first step is the one you step off of at floor level.

  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,842 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Something to consider: the view of the steps depicted on the Jefferson Nickel is of the back entrance to Monticello and not the more dramatic front. As such, the rear has one less step than the front. If that top step, technically referred to as a "Stylobate" in classic architecture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stylobate isn't counted as a step then no 6-step coin could exist.

    Some methodologies use the word stylobate to describe only the topmost step of the temple's base, while stereobate is used to describe the remaining steps of the platform beneath the stylobate and just above the leveling course. Others, like John Lord,[4] use the term to refer to the entire platform.

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  • 4Redisin4Redisin Posts: 609 ✭✭✭

    @Maywood said:
    Something to consider: the view of the steps depicted on the Jefferson Nickel is of the back entrance to Monticello and not the more dramatic front. As such, the rear has one less step than the front. If that top step, technically referred to as a "Stylobate" in classic architecture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stylobate isn't counted as a step then no 6-step coin could exist.

    Some methodologies use the word stylobate to describe only the topmost step of the temple's base, while stereobate is used to describe the remaining steps of the platform beneath the stylobate and just above the leveling course. Others, like John Lord,[4] use the term to refer to the entire platform.

    I learned that the first step counted is the solid bar between the top of the steps to the first incuse line defining that step and so on to the second bar (step).

  • vplite99vplite99 Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I only see 4 steps.

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  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,730 ✭✭✭✭✭

    3 steps,,,

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  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 4,893 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I see 5 steps, if you claw your way to the top.
    The fifth step being the landing, I consider it a step.

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