Liberty Seated Discussion Board
seatedlib3991
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It has been about 15 years since the Liberty Seated Collector Club stopped supporting an open web based board for the general discussion of Seated coins. My first thoughts were that some of the advanced collectors might start a new board of their own. That didn't happen. I then made an effort on my own part to generate talk about Seated coins on Coin Chat and this site but very few people responded.
I recently discovered that the My Collect site has a dormant discussion board for Seated coins. The site lists a membership of around 150 people. It is my suspicion that there are about 145 dealers with a Seated coin in their inventory and thought: "Why not?"
Starting this month I am going to do the following things on the My Collect Seated site. I am going to pose a general question every few weeks and then spend a few days in discussion with anyone who cares to visit. I am going to post a coin from my collection every so often and explain why I chose it. Finally I am going to hope that there are like minded collectors out there that wish to both share their coins, their collecting experiences and their hopes and aspirations for the future.
Thank you for letting me post this on your site. I will remain an active member of this board but would also like to take advantage of this unique opportunity. James
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@seatedlib3991 a great idea! I'm a fellow seated collector so will post a seated coin from the collection to get us started.
1854 MS63 CAC
Great idea James.
Cross posted:
Why were Seated Liberty Dollars minted in San Francisco only in 1859, 1870, 1872, and maybe 1873?
Dollars in general (1840-1873), and SF in particular, were minted for export as needed.
Still my favorite series for its longevity and myriad of mintages from low to high and price points that don't seem to matter, plus the general beauty the series retains across all grades.
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One of my favorite designs. The eagle is so classic.
Count me in as an active Seated fan and collector. Hit me up on MC (same username). Here's one from the collection that is relevant to a couple of the above posts.
Which group is it, I see Seated Liberty Halves Group and Liberty Seated Type Group. I joined a bunch of groups when My Collect first started and even created a group for Vintage Coin Albums. None of the groups have much activity, the one for Civil War Tokens was fairly lively for a while at first and then faded.
Mr_Spud
@Mr_Spud. Good question. I joined a group called Seated something but to be honest I have just been posting on the opening page. I will have to look that up later. hope you join in anytime you feel like it. james
@Mr_Spud . I went to MyCollect and looked. There is a thing on the left opening page called groups. I clicked on that and a listing of groups appeared. i had to click on "more listings' to find a group called "Seated type".
i will tell you the same thing I posted there. I have just been posting on the opening page because as far as i can tell this is a vacant site. i figure this is the best chance i have of anybody seeing my posts. Perhaps this site will develop enough traffic to interfere with my postings but as far as i can tell I am king of a country of about 1. james
One of my favorite series for its beauty and vast varieties.
1887-S 10C F-119 MPD
According to Fortin; Comments: Obverse 18 can be easily diagnosed by an extra 1 digit punch in the shield. The flag of a 1 digit is clearly visible between shield lines #8 and #9.
http://www.seateddimevarieties.com/date_mintmark/1887s_119page.htm
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I have started a type set of dimes cause I know Ill never finish the full set. I have not been trying too hard to find the other types lately but here is the one I have. A common year but it has really nice toning. PCGS 64
I have also started a date set of half dimes. I have a few more years added with the general theme of attractive toning. I love how there is a predominance of blue toning across the set so far!
@oih82w8 . Very nice coin. what I am babbling about on the Mycollect site currently is "if" and "how" should you have a variety identified. I have had mixed experiences. James
I'll have to check out the site as I have not been on it. I was a frequent poster on the LSCC open web for quarters back between 2008-15.
Here's an old friend of @oih82w8
First southern emission since right before the civil war in a charming OGH
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
@fastfreddie . Pretty much all you will find is me. I remember your name from back in the day though. I learned a lot from the old discussion boards. James
Ok. I couldn’t see your posts there, but I found them when I did a search on your forum name. They won’t automatically appear, I think, unless you are on my friends list or if I follow you. I sent a friend request to you.
Mr_Spud
So half dollars were not used for export then?
Although some halves were exported, they were not specifically minted for that as dollars were.
My co-author in the article proving that the 700 so-called 1873-S Seated Dollars were actually leftover 1872-S Dollars, Dan Owens, has written a lot about the exportation of S-mint Dollars and Half Dollars.
TD
@skier07 . I don't know if you visit or belong to the Liberty Seated Collectors Club but there is some good information there. I am famed for my bad memory but here are a few facts that stuck in my head.
The Western half of America back then operated differently from the East. The West was called a "hard metal" economy while the East featured many more banking instruments. The Gold rush just made things even more metal oriented than ever. There are articles about how people would literally throw away half dimes and dimes because they considered them next to worthless. Quarters and Half dollars apparently were the companions to the huge gold economy.
I encourage you to check some of it out. Also, the Osburn book on Dollars is free to use there under online resources. It has been a while since I looked at it but I think there is information on this specific topic. James
@fastfreddie. The thing I forgot to mention is that the old discussion board use to have a great deal of specific information. I saved a lot of it but, as i have mentioned, I am not tech savvy but i was crushed the day all that information became worthless on my computer. For several years i had a private resource. Do you rember a fellow named Rhedden? Circa around 2010 he put together a list of Seated Quarters by PCGS population. It decended from rarest to most common. I used that to compare old population lists with new one's to see which dates were gaining the most and or sitting stagnant, James
Hi James,
@Rhedden is a member here. I don't recall that list but maybe he has access to it. There also was a great discussion recently here about the rarest 10 quarters.
This was a list compiled by @roadrunner from way back and published here in 2009.
"To keep the discussion lively, these are the seated quarter dates I'd probably consider most common in the series and probably more common than the 1901-s in all grades. But they may not be since existing pops of both are not precisely known. The 55-s is listed because there are so many low grade specimens around. It's a fence sitter along with the other dates at the bottom. My ratings come from a survey I did back in my early years when I recorded EVERY specimen appearing in Coin World as well as every price list/auction cat. I received. The survey of the commoner dates went on for 1-6 months before I crossed them off the list. I was very careful not to list duplicate specimens from same advertisers. The goal was to find the underrated dates that never showed, not which coins were common.
The bottom 25% of seated 25c in rarity imo:
1838
1839
1840-0 nd
1853 WA the most common by a mile
1853-0
1854 the 2nd most common by a mile
1855
1855-s
1856
1857
1858
1859
1860
1861
1862
1873 wa
1875
1876 probably 3rd most common but it gets much tighter after this.
1876-s
1876-cc
1877
1877-s
1877-cc
1888-s
1891
1891-s
The 1838, 1839, 1840-0 nd, 1853-0, 1855-s, 1859, 1862, 1878-cc, 1888-s are fence sitters and the "tougher" coins on this list or just off it.
roadrunner"
my 55-s p53...not sure if I've seen many low grades coins either.
@fastfreddie . It doesn't pertain to Seated Quarters specifically but back in the early 2000's I tracked down an alphabetical list of every coin dealer in the United States . I then reduced the list to only dealers with some sort of online presence AND identified themselves as handling/dealing with Seated coins. I found almost 150 dealers. I also found that more than 100 of them had only one date in their inventory. 1853. Most were halves but you would think Seated coins were a one year wonder based on most dealer offerings. James
It took 30 minutes, but I found my old (2015) post on the LSCC forum with the PCGS Population Report numbers from that era. Here ya go...
https://tapatalk.com/groups/seateddimes/toughest-seated-quarters-to-find-in-pcgs-slabs-t4961.html
Common date with great color and originality. A lot of history due to the civil war. Low mint state grade.
Love Learning about and discussing seated coinage!
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@rhedden. Appreciate that. James
@rhedden!
Thank you Ron, well done!!
Well I know that this list is from 2015 and some things have changed a little but what stood out to me is the 55-o was so high on the list relative to mintage and the 55-s had the same certifications as the 60-s.
I might add from @roadrunner comment that the 55-s is quite the "fence sitter!"
I may have asked this before, were half dime dies ever sent to Carson City?
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Here is my 59-S.
I recall reading that the 1859-S dollar was made primarily for export but turned out to be such a bust overseas that the Mint didn’t bother producing it in San Francisco in any appreciable quantity for another 13 years. I probably read this in Dan Owen’s article in The Numismatist.
PCGS has a seven coin Registry set called Basic Seated Liberty Type Set. Here’s mine:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/basic-seated-liberty-type-set-1837-1891/publishedset/150159
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@The_Dinosaur_Man . You would have to fact check me by looking thru back issuses of the E-Gorbrecht journal but i remeber reading several things about this. One was a reprint of an article talking about how "little valued" half dimes were out West. Don't know if Carson City is specifically mentioned but I do know they talk about the lack of need for half-dimes. Another story talks about how at the end of the day Saloons would throw out the half dimes and dimes collected during the day. they would toss them in the street supposedly so the "less fortunate" could dig them out of the dirt. Finally, i will mention try looking at the Neman Portal but will openly admit that site usually defeats me. Good luck. james
@Mr_Spud . I have the tech skills of a flea but I did try to respond to your "friend" message. I have decided ,starting today, to start posting the coins from my sets and explain why I chose that coin and then talk about that coin in general. The posts should appear under the Group Heading Seated Type on MYCOLLECT. I noticed in youe description page that you too emphasize circulated Seated coins. I would love to see and hear about your coins too. If you become motivated to start posting coins from one of your sets please just #number them so I can keep them straight. Of course if anyone else in the known universe wishes to do the same: then by all means do so. James
The Mint Reports for 1869-1873 might indicate if Half Dime dies were sent to Carson City, but never used, Unfortunately, I have not been able to access the Newman Numismatic Portal, which has a fine collection of Mint Reports, lately.
It is generally accepted that Half Dimes were held in great disdain in the West in this era, much like the Lincoln cent has been in recent decades, and yet Lincoln cents are still being struck (for a little while longer, anyways) to make change in transactions. They were struck regularly in decent numbers in San Francisco from 1863 on, so there must have been some local demand for them there.
In the 1873-S Dollar story by Dan Owens and myself we mention how after the Coinage Act of 1873 the San Francisco Mint was ordered to destroy the 1873-S Half Dime coinage, most or all of which was still on hand, and yet apparently (based on modern availability) it was not. The San Francisco Post Office begged that they be released, as they used Half Dimes to make change for postage stamps.
TD
Common date quarters, but I liked first and last year’s of issues when I was building my type set years ago.
As @rhedden indicated, the LSCC seated forums still exist, and you can still post to them.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/seateddimes/discussion-areas-f94/
You can see I posted to the Half Dimes section in January.
Like any forum, the critical thing is to have enough people actively posting, so that people are motivated to check the forum and respond / post.
I used to check the LSCC forum and post there more frequently, but activity seemed low, so I stopped checking it.
You are free to use any forum you think is good.
But the same principle of activity level will apply.
Other considerations for a good forum are:
Activity here has been fairly steady, so I usually check here daily and reply sometimes.
So I am not sure why you think you should use a different forum for Liberty Seated coins, when you can create threads here.
My reasons are simple. I have been on this board for about 7 years and in that entire time I have never been able to succeed at posting a photo. And no, i don't want further advice on how to. I can post photos on over a half dozen other sites but on this one all i get is a jumble of number & letters. I even spent $20 dollars on a thing called photobucket, which was suppose to be a photo sharing service, but that too didn't work. After wasting 2 days trying to use their photo sharing program, they inform me i didn't pay them enough money to do that. i hate anyone who uses the "Oh you want a glass with your water!" approach. They are dead to me.
I have watched the MYCollect site for almost a year now and what I see is a vast website all set up to go with no one there. I can pretty much do as I please. no one will care. If a few people find the same things interesting that i do, then they are more than welcome to join me. Posting on MYCollect is not some divorce from Collectors Universe. It is simply a free website there for me to use as i want. I'm not sure why you might be bothered that I wish to add a new platform to my online activities but will always appreciate all you @yosclimber contribute to this site. James
The flaw in posting photos here really happens when you try to add a second photo to the post.
(Or if you try to type some more text after adding a photo).
After posting a photo, your cursor ends up in the middle of the code that specifies the local filename for the photo.
Then when you add the second photo, the new code is placed at the cursor, and it breaks the old code.
This could be fixed if the software instead placed the cursor at the end of the photo code, instead of in the middle.
I'm a programmer, so I see that code, and I know to move the cursor over to the right before adding a second photo, or typing more text.
But for non-programmers, I can see how this can be extremely frustrating.
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