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Federal 1099K reporting limits revert back to $20k/ 200 transactions

Legislation signed today under One Beautiful Bill reinstates the $20,000 / 200 transaction 1099K reporting requirements as found prior to 2021.
As many know the IRS had been trying to implement the $600 reporting limit signed 2021 under the American Rescue Plan Act.
This is Federal legislation that requires 3rd party reporting such as PayPal, eBay for business transactions.
Lower State limits can still trigger reporting of 1099K to IRS.
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No taxes on Social Security either, good for us old folks. More money to buy coins with.
Does this take effect immediately, or retro to Jan 1, 2025?
Per Perplexity, the 20k requirement doesnβt go into effect until Jan 1, 2026.
For the 2025 year, the amount is $2500.
Key words are the lower State limits will apply. This recent legislation only matters if you live in a State where they don't have the lower limit.
Maryland has a $600 threshold so an Ebay seller living in Maryland will still get a 1099-K and this will have to be reported on your Federal taxes too.
Calling @jmlanzaf to tell everyone how we should all be self reporting all additional income anyway!π€£π
Lol. You are required to report income which you apparently knew without my mentioning it
Lol, he loves paying taxes.
Does anyone know if this is effective for 2025 taxes?
it is not. 1099 incoming
Lets frickin go. Now I can buy more coins!
God comes first in everything I do. Iβm dedicated to serving Him with my whole life. Coin collecting is just a hobbyβbut even in that, I seek to honor Him. βοΈ
No, I mean the no tax on Social Security.
No, I don't cheat. I also don't feel the need to police everyone else about it either.
And who did i report? Informing people about the laws is not exactly "policing" nor "loving paying taxes". If you'd like to write more fiction, perhaps find a new protagonist.
As far as paying taxes I have never made a dime on selling a coin.
Unfortunately I am more on the retail side. I do believe I have a couple of very good purchases.
I know dealers typically sell on the wholesale side of things leaving room for a fair 10%-15% profit.
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All of the main provisions that effect those on Medicare or taxes on tips and 100% bonus depreciation is all retroactive to January 1, 2025. Some things, like the 1099 limits phase in after the bills is signed.
OK... hypothetical... I live in Maryland. Let's say I buy a coin for $700. I own it for a little while and then sell it for $600... am I reporting $600 profit on a 1099, or is this a $100 loss?
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https://www.investopedia.com/eliminating-social-security-taxes-big-beautiful-bill-provides-senior-bonus-11743513
read the whole thing but focus from this start point
What Is Included In The Bill?
Instead of eliminating taxes on Social Security benefits, the Senate's version of the Big Beautiful Bill calls for a tax break of up to $6,000 per person, which would be phased out at higher incomes.
If you sell it on Ebay or any other Third Party platform that processes the payment then you will receive a 1099-K for the total sales dollars. I believe you file a Schedule C tax form where you can deduct expenses. If you have the $700 receipt then you should be ok to use that as a deduction
I am not a tax advisor nor should you follow my advice in anyway.π€£π
lol! No worries!! I won't sue...
I thought there was some mechanism for reporting this... the last time I sold anything substantial on ebay was well over 10 years ago! I have receipts for coins I purchase in person at a show... I suppose I also have electronic "receipts" for stuff I purchased on ebay or other auctions.
Bottom line... looking to retire in PA...
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It's a $100 loss
So is it only on the state level or does the schedule C need to be submitted to the Fed and the state if the state requires it? .
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May depend on the state. NY simply accepts the data from the 1040. See a tax professional.
Hobbyists can't deduct losses, but you do have to report gains. That's one of the things that makes the 1099Ks so insidious. They put you on the map and you have to report income that may not even be taxable. And if you don't have receipts from when you bought the item you might be up a creek when you claim that you didn't make a profit when you sold it. It puts a target on your back.
I intend to but during this conversation we can toss around the conversation and get a bit of a grasp on this new law.
Or maybe not.
Student of numismatics and collector of Morgan dollars
Successful BST transactions with: Namvet Justindan Mattniss RWW olah_in_MA
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...assuming I still have that receipt.
How are entire collections handled where I'd give someone $1000 for everything... I suppose a dealer would have to itemize everything and assign a dollar value? I imagine this gets a little tricky around tax time...
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There are different accepted inventory strategies. But the individual cost basis would only be an issue during an audit. And the IRS is reasonable about this.
A few years ago, the IRS sent me a bill. I explained the flaws in my accounting. I offered to supply them with a thousand line spread sheet. They told me to just amend the return and supply a short written explanation which they accepted and sent me a (still funny) check for 64 cents.
If you sell on Ebay then you are a " business ".
I am not a tax advisor so don't take my advice. ππ€£
Not according to the IRS....
No, I don't cheat. I also don't feel the need to police everyone else about it either.
Suggesting that jmlanzaf is some sort of tax police simply by pointing out your obligation as a taxpayer - is ludicrous.
Forcing 1099s onto taxpayers is an abuse of taxpayers, but suggesting that anyone skirt the law by not reporting income clearly shows a bias towards cheating.
That's not to say that gov.com has anything but total control in mind, which in itself is totally detestable.
I knew it would happen.
Thank you. I don't like taxes or paperwork. I just want a level playing field.
Nobody likes to pay taxes but those same people sure enjoy what those taxes pay for.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
It's like Karen who chased you around making sure you wore your covid mask, you know, because it's your obligation as a citizen. So yeah, it's exactly like policing.
Except when it comes to the mint's ordering limits. You're happy to game the system with multiple accounts so you can exceed the one-per-HH limits. π
It's like Karen who chased you around making sure you wore your covid mask, you know, because it's your obligation as a citizen. So yeah, it's exactly like policing.
"methinks the lady doth protest too much"
I knew it would happen.
Still a level playing field. Everyone can do what I do. Don't you have friends or relatives? Every coin i get goes to a separate household.
Your apology is accepted.
Probably, I'm primarily here just to post memes.
Ok everyone! Just calm down.π€£π
I have NEVER exceeded the one per household limit. All my coins ship to separate households.
Ebay hasn't updated the information yet -
IRS minimum reporting thresholds 2023 2024 2025 2026
Gross payments $20,000 $5,000 $2,500 $600
Transactions 200 N/A N/A N/A
Wisdom has been chasing you but, you've always been faster
You understand very well the purpose of the HHL. They didn't just say one per person because they didn't want multiple people within a household ordering on behalf of one person. The idea is that one person doesn't get multiple coins. You are doing just that. Your "friends" are proxies buying on your behalf. If the mint had a way to prevent that then they would.
But that is cheating the system put in place by the Mint.
Ultimately, those coins are bought for you to resell for a profit.
To be clear, just because anyone can do it that doesn't make it right.
You can't have it both ways. You want a level playing field regarding taxes but admittedly skirt the level playing field the Mint has set for retail buyers. You sir are GUILTY as charged.π€£π
They might. Nonetheless it is a HHL policy not a one per individual policy. And every flipper here who bought one at their house is a proxy for Pinehurst. It's still a HHL not an individual limit policy. It appears you are the pious scold.
Good. You launched, without provocation, an insulting tirade at me not the other way around.
It is a HHL. There is no policy much less no law against my mother buying one on my behalf. I am guilty of having helpful friends and relatives.
Have a day
I believe we have reached the point for @MFeld to enter this discussion with his voice of reason!π€£π
Relax dude. I was obviously making a joke. You have done the same to me in the past. π
Since I don't like to interpret legislation I just asked GROK if the roll back is for 2025 and got this response: this change applies to the 2025 tax year and beyond, meaning it will affect 1099-K reporting for transactions starting in 2025.
Please no. Just put this thread out of its misery.
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