1886-o Morgan dollar AU or Unc?

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logger7
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This Morgan dollar has cartwheel luster and graded AU58. Could this grade as MS60?

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  • duck620
    duck620 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭✭
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    I would say low grade unc.
    Here's my pocket piece.

  • john_nyc1
    john_nyc1 Posts: 246 ✭✭✭
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    Strange lighting but I’d guess ms 63

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  • marcmoish
    marcmoish Posts: 6,936 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    If not details or played with, as I can't tell from these photos, I agree looks like a solid 63.

  • lkenefic
    lkenefic Posts: 9,518 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The lighting is really playing tricks on me... the reverse (eagle's breast and feather detail) looks Unc but I really can't tell about the obverse... there looks to be breaks in luster on the cheek but I really can't tell if it's wear without coin in hand...

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  • pcgsregistrycollector
    pcgsregistrycollector Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Unc 62 is my guess

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  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,857 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Thanks, I'll have to get better lighting; I thought I was using a 75w led maybe the the cowl around the light messes with the look and color.

  • AUandAG
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    low grade UNC is my WAG.

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  • coinkat
    coinkat Posts: 24,542 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The 1886-O is a very tough coin to grade with this look. I don't see a 60 in the cards. It will likely grade 61 or 58. It is a close call... but TPG is usually very tough on this date. I like the coin and the look which is more important than the current plastic.

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  • mattniss
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    I see just a little too much friction in there to call it UNC, in my opinion. Seems like the AU58 grade is correct to me.

  • coastaljerseyguy
    coastaljerseyguy Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Tough to grade from photo and for a date that had average luster at best. Agree very nice coin no matter whether graded AU58 or MS61. Has a very good strike for the date. Also looks like too much chatter on both sides to be MS. A sticker on an AU58 would be nice.

  • Rc5280
    Rc5280 Posts: 1,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    UNC

  • messydesk
    messydesk Posts: 20,813 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'd rather have an AU58 than an MS60. Give it the "white paper test". Stand the slab on edge on a white piece of paper and look down at the obverse. Chances are you'll see a gray area by the tip of the bust where the luster's been worn enough to disrupt the reflection.

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  • Morgan13
    Morgan13 Posts: 2,691 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 3, 2025 11:20AM
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    @logger7 what do you think it grades? Does it look AU or BU?
    Is it in a rattler?
    How about an image of the whole coin and slab if you have the time?
    I believe that PCGS would be pretty tough when it comes to grading this date.

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  • coinbuf
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    Tough images, the fields show the type of disturbance that usually equates to AU.

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  • dcarr
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    MS62 is my initial reaction.

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  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,857 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    In sunlight.


  • TennesseeDave
    TennesseeDave Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    IMO technically UNC. but good luck getting it into an MS holder!!!

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  • telephoto1
    telephoto1 Posts: 4,966 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Slider but likely in an MS-something slab.


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  • coastaljerseyguy
    coastaljerseyguy Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Seems to have luster breaks on the motto, stars, legend, wreath, and eagle wing tips, albeit small, but too much to be true MS and just due to some bagginess. Great looking AU58 and think our host got it right.

  • pcgsregistrycollector
    pcgsregistrycollector Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I would say AU-58 now with new pics

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  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,857 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 24, 2025 10:49AM
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    I did a light dip on the coin sent it in express, it recently graded MS62. Updated scans:

  • dcarr
    dcarr Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @dcarr said:
    MS62 is my initial reaction.

    @logger7 said:
    I did a light dip on the coin sent it in express, it recently graded MS62. I'll try to upgrade with newer pics when I get it back.

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    Called it ;)

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  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,857 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 3, 2026 5:03PM
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    Cacg gave it an Unc. details grade when I sent it there, anyone have an idea why?:

  • TwoSides2aCoin
    TwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,216 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 3, 2026 10:05AM
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    Looks like MS63, underneath. I’m not a proponent of bathing (dip), but restoration might change the appearance, if not the view ….in a good way. It is original. Can’t take that away from it. (P.S. a guy can dream)

  • logger7
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    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    Looks like MS63, underneath. I’m not a proponent of bathing (dip), but restoration might change the appearance, if not the view ….in a good way. It is original. Can’t take that away from it. (P.S. a guy can dream)

    The actual story on this coin was that ICG called it "AU58" on first submission. I dipped it, they then called it "MS62". I cracked it out sent it to cac thinking they'd grade it the same, but they called it "questionable surfaces". Then I sent it back to ICG which graded it MS62 and then blew it out on ebay for a little over a grand.

  • coastaljerseyguy
    coastaljerseyguy Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'd ask CAC why they gave it a details grade. Did you dip it too long that it muted the luster, although the CAC photo ooks ok.

  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,857 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It was a quick dip, maybe not long enough. Quick dip, less than 5 seconds in EZest, followed by running water rinse. The coin has a little variability in toning and there is what looks to me like a slight planchet defect on the reverse at around 10 oclock.

  • Cougar1978
    Cougar1978 Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU

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