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1952 Superbird.
Maywood
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Can you see the "S" strike-through in the image?? Thanks.
Al H.
Link to cert page with larger image.
https://pcgs.com/cert/52792626
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
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No, I don't see it in that image. However, in hand they are hard to see. So, it's probably there but just not capturing the right light to show in the photo.
bob
Yep, it's a Superbird. Wish I could tell if the tailfeathers are reengraved.
The larger image clearly shows the "S" strike-through and yes, it has re-engraved tail feathers. There-in lies the problem.
I submitted this coin a few months ago and the grades/images finally posted this morning. I anticipated a problem, so I will outline what it is.
--- when I submitted the coin the description section clearly read:
Name: 511254 1952 Proof 25c Description: 1952 "Superbird" FS-902 Hand Engraved Tail Feathers.
--- received an e-mail last Friday "Grades and images" available but they weren't posted. The subject "coin number" was listed as 5984 so I knew something was wrong.
--- nothing posted Monday. On Tuesday the grades and other specifics were listed. I called PCGS customer service but it was too late to get in "line" so I had to call this morning.
--- been "in line on hold" for over an hour hoping to stop the order from shipping back to me without a correction.
It's all very frustrating. Customer Service had been regressing prior to COVID-19 but since then it has been on a steep hill downward. I can't understand how "the best graders in the World" could miss something like this, especially when it is clearly printed on the submission form. Now that has been compounded because the CS situation stops a submitter from alerting PCGS to a mistake. Why is it so hard to talk with a representative today??
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Recently I had a similar experience when I submitted these two coins for grading:
The dime is the 1950-D 10C FS-502, Repunched Mintmark variety that graded MS65 FB. The submission form specifically stated all the information describing this specific variety.
The quarter is a Type B reverse variety. The submission form specifically stated all the information describing the Type B reverse variety
However when the grade of the dime posted it was misidentified as a 1950 P MS65 FB dime; and the quarter was misidentified as a 1964 P MS64 (two other quarters in the submission were a 1958 Type B and a 1959 Type B, both of which were correctly graded as Type B quarters).
I called customer service immediately upon seeing the posted grades. I was not able to speak to anyone and left a message. The coins were shipped back to me the same day. The next day I was contacted by a customer service rep.
After explaining things the only thing I could do was wait for the coins to be delivered and then send them back to PCGS. I had follow up communication with the customer service rep who contacted me. PCGS looked at the two coins a second time and determined that both coins were the variety coins listed on the submission form. They were placed into new holders with the slab inserts stating the varieties. PCGS generously paid for the cost of shipping both ways.
I suspect that PCGS will do the same thing for you Maywood and that eventually your 1952 Superbird Re Engraved tail feathers quarter will be sent back to you in a holder with an insert stating that it is the variety.
Congratulations on finding this variety (by the way, what numerical grade did it receive?)
FYI, the Superbird "S" is not a struck through.
@SanctionII asked: by the way, what numerical grade did it receive?
It graded PR67. Don't judge the coin on the images since that aspect of the submission process hasn't improved. BTW, Kevin, would please PM any phone number/name/e-mail address that might help me with this. Believe it or not I was on hold for so long it drained my battery and after 2+ hours I had things I needed to do. Thanks in advance.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
That is a terrific variety and though to local in superb gem.
The hassle with PCGS would damper my enthusiasm too.
Best of luck getting it all fixed up.
peacockcoins
Yes, but I know exactly what to look for and where it is. It doesn't pop out unless you get it in the right light.
Also, it's not exactly a strike-thru. It's a hub-thru. A piece of something found its way between hub and die and left an impression there.
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I feel your pain on the attribution problems. I am a dedicated variety enthusiast and the inability to get things properly attributed caused me to stop sending coins to pcgs over 5 years ago.
The excessive costs and mistakes they made became too much for me. I started to feel like the attribution folks didn’t have access to coinfacts or the CPG.
That said I have a small pile of slabs needing reholder and attribution, been trying to talk myself into submitting them for the last three years.
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Maywood.
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I honestly can see the S. Where is it?
Seems like they won't pull coins from the line out the door. I tried it once with a minor issue. Never got a call back and the coin showed up at my house.
What can you do. I guess we have to be patient.
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I always felt it was a re-engraved die rather than hubbed in debris. Maybe I feel that way because of the lines in some of the lower feathers on the proof quarters and the occasional re-engraved tailfeathers.
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Sorry about that Al. PCGS has been really hit or miss with varieties for the last several years, and heavily trending in the miss direction.
The more you look at 1950's and 1960's proof and SMS coins, the more you will see other examples of lint-like hubbed in debris. It's just a coincidence that one of them happened to be on the eagle's breast and look like an "S" (and also a coincidence that re-engraved tailfeathers happened to appear on the same die).