The 1953-S Roosevelt "acorn" variety - FS-901, New Cherrypickers' variety
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Sorry about the format! I don't seem to be able to fix the run-on first paragraph! Ok, fixed! Enjoy!
I only recently started collecting Roosevelt dime errors and varieties but this new "acorn" variety is pretty darn cool in my book! I have acquired a couple and just took pics and thought I'd share them. The 1953-S Roosevelt, FS-901, "Acorn" variety has multiple issues combined into the reverse of the coin. It is a combination of die clashes, die gouges, die cracks and heavy die polishing. According to the new CPG, three separate issues need to be present to qualify as the FS-901 variety:
- The olive on the left branch must resemble an acorn, due to die polishing and a clashed die. There must also be a heavy crack running from the U in UNITED toward the "acorn."
- Heavy die cracks run from the rim through the M in Dime.
- Heavy die polishing has nearly obliterated an oak leaf in the right field. They also mention polishing of the bottoms of the letters in PLURIBUS although pics in the book are lacking!
I included my pics with a numeric display by number. Enjoy and happy hunting! I have my doubts that a full band example with be found due to the late die stage that created the variety. I welcome any input or thoughts!
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Well, it certainly does look like an acorn.
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Cool! I may have found one on eBay when I went looking for Bugs Bunnys on the same date/mintmark. I went ahead and purchased it in case it is one, not 100% sure if the seller will send the same coin or not, I couldn’t tell by his description. I saw others that were early state ones where it looks like an acorn but doesn’t have the diebreaks, not sure if this one is a late enough die stage or not. I’ll find out when I go visit my post office box this weekend.
Mr_Spud
Wow, sure does look like it!
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Nice find, Spud.
Pete
I was about to list my extra 53-S for sale and realized I think I have one!
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Yep! That's it!
Thanks for posting this. I didn’t know about this variety, but I like it.
Wow! Same variety! Very cool.
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Cool variety. I will be looking out for this at my LCS and in the junk box.
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Very cool find indeed!
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I'm a bit confused. I thought the CPG was for die varieties. What about this coin is a die variety?
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What is your definition of die variety? Die cracks, polished dies, and die clashes are normally considered die varieties, as they are present on the die when the coin is struck, and thus transferred onto the coin?
No. Cracks, polishing, standard die clashes, etc are considered errors. Some folks call them die errors to distinguish them from striking errors like off-center strikes, die caps, etc. Not my definition, but CONECA's. Don't believe the AI definition.
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Ok. Regardless, with your definition... Cherrypickers has lots and lots of that stuff you don't consider varieties. And even our host PCGS has Variety Attribution... which include VAMS... and many of those are the types that you don't consider varieties. Likewise for other series and denominations. If you prefer to call a 3 legged buffalo nickel an error coin instead of a variety... that is perfectly fine with me.... or if others want to call them varieties, that is fine with me also.
I did find this on CONECA website, however one wishes to interpret:
"Varieties CONECA focuses on tend to fall into a subset of error numismatics that involves one or more mishaps on a die (though sometimes a working hub or punch) during the minting process, typically during pre-production, that impacts all coins minted with that particular die. CONECA catalogs these varieties, we call these “listings” and create additional entries that we would designate as “NEW listings”."
As you show with the CONECA quote, it is not my definition. Actually I've been a proponent of a more liberal definition for some time, though I would not personally go so far as including die cracks, gouges, etc into the definition. The variety collecting community is pretty set on the CONECA definition though, though there are always those who want to go their own way.
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So my 1922 no D strong reverse Lincoln is no longer a variety, but an error? And all Morgan VAMs are errors? I don't think so.
My own definition is:
error coins are coins that experienced an error during the striking process. Out of collar, broadstrike, doubled/multi strike, brockage, wrong planchet, clipped, etc.
Die varieties are unique characteristics specific to an individual die (DDO, ddr, rpm, rpd, abraided die / over polished, added letters/numbers)
One category is literal errors, where the other is a die variety.
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How much interest do you have in a 1922 no D in sharp VEDS? Or a VEDS 3-Legged Buffalo with four legs?
How much interest is there in Philly mint Clashed E VAMs in sharp VEDS pre-clash? Can they even be identified? Some VAMS are true die varieties while most seem to be die stages.
Look at the debate over whether a Buffalo Nickel is 2 Feathers or not. Even if they are from the same die pairing.
These are not collected die varieties, but rather collected die stages. Nothing wrong with that if that's your thing.
I don't care about the others that you mentioned, I stated that the 1922 no D strong reverse (i.e. die 2) as shown in the picture below (PCGS #21806409) is a variety not an error, PCGS and ANACS (it was crossed over from the ANACS holder that specifically stated die 2) agree. And Morgan VAMs are varieties. Your reply was a non sequitur, I am not interested in dies states and do not collect them. The coin I posted and Morgan VAMs are not errors even by CONECA statements, please explain your basis for claiming that they are, trying to understand varieties and errors and this is the only Lincoln that I have that you seem to think is an error, all the DDOs I expect that you agree are varieties. Thanks.
And I want to point out... since I'm not sure every one noticed.... that the CONECA definition actually supports die cracks, clashed dies, polished dies, etc. being varieties. Just because they do not happen to list them... that is their choice and their decision as to what to actually put in their Master List. Thankfully, cherrypickers includes them, as well as other books, and dealers, etc.
".... involves one or more mishaps on a die (though sometimes a working hub or punch) during the minting process, typically during pre-production, that impacts all coins minted with that particular die. ...."
Just because some 'circles' want to claim one way or another.. doesn't mean anything and certainly others can call them as they please. Until someone shows me the 'official' (backed by law, etc.) book of definitions for the coin industry/hobby, they are varieties to me. And as long as everyone knows what is being bought or sold, it really should not matter what one's own opinion is as to what to call it.
Even grading has no single standard after all these years, though our host PCGS certainly leads the pack.
Is it double die, or doubled die? Is it mechanical doubling, or machine doubling? and on and on. I'm not even going to start to try to differentiate between counterfeit, fake, replica, copy, etc.!
And Manorcourtman.... nice coin and nice find!
Ok... though this horse is tiring out.... one more definition from our host PCGS website!
" Mint Errors
Let’s start with mint errors. What are they anyway? A mint error is a mistake that happens during the manufacturing process. They are impediments or imperfections in the minting or striking process that impact the appearance of the coin. Since these are made by mistake, each error is unique, and no two will look exactly the same. "
" Varieties
Varieties are variations or slight differences in the different coin dies. They are often less obvious than mint errors and may include differently shaped mintmarks, different-sized dates, or missing elements – for example, the missing buffalo leg on the 1937 3-Legged Buffalo Nickel. Another very popular kind of variety is none other than the doubled die!
PCGS recognizes most common varieties listed in A Guide Book of United States Coins, popularly known as “The Red Book.” Other varieties recognized by PCGS include:
So no worries.... PCGS says your 3 legged buffalo nickel and 1922 cent are varieties! And it also includes that 1953-S acorn dime!
The key part of the definition is bolded above. This definition includes things like RPMs and Doubled Dies since all coins struck with these dies include these "mishaps". It does NOT include things like die cracks, die chips like BIEs, filled letters, clashes, missing features due to polishing, etc. Including these other things creates an almost infinite number of "varieties", with each one having the potential to be unique.
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So you are saying PCGS is wrong.... and Cherrypickers is wrong.... .....but feel free to use your definitions as you please, and I will do likewise.
It's funny that you could quote something, I agree with it, then you berate me for it. Enjoy your day.
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