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GTG on this 1898-S $20 Lib - Counterfeit - Story Posted!

LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited June 29, 2025 12:50PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Will post the answer later today.

Edit:

Submitted for a friend. The surfaces looked funny to me, but I thought it might come back "Genuine with altered surfaces" or something like that.

Came back from PCGS as COUNTERFEIT.


"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,618 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. The mark on the face is very distracting.
    All glory is fleeting.
  • jfriedm56jfriedm56 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is it raw in (your) hand. MS62+.(?)

  • Clackamas1Clackamas1 Posts: 1,436 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 17, 2025 9:42PM

    62

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,909 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58

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  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,608 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

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  • Morgan WhiteMorgan White Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭✭✭

    60

  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,575 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

  • pcgsregistrycollectorpcgsregistrycollector Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭✭

    62

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,636 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 17, 2025 3:39PM

    Unc. details, Excessive Obv./Rev. Finger Prints
    😉

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    3 with a weird color

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  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The image quality is not good. I'll guess MS63 if it straight-graded.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,753 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS62.

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62

  • CopperindianCopperindian Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS61

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  • pcgsregistrycollectorpcgsregistrycollector Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:
    Unc. details, Excessive Obv./Rev. Finger Prints

    Do fingerprints make it go deetz?

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,636 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pcgsregistrycollector said:

    @MFeld said:
    Unc. details, Excessive Obv./Rev. Finger Prints

    Do fingerprints make it go deetz?

    No, and I’ll add a winkie to that post, to avoid confusion.

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  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 6,423 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU58 RGDS!

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    xrf?

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  • pcgsregistrycollectorpcgsregistrycollector Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭✭

    @Lakesammman said:
    Will post the answer later today.

    Edit:

    Submitted for a friend. The surfaces looked funny to me, but I thought it might come back "Genuine with altered surfaces" or something like that.

    Came back from PCGS as COUNTERFEIT.


    Thats rough. How much did he pay for it?

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,753 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A lot of modern made counterfeit US classic gold coins have the full weight and fineness of gold. He might be okay if he bought it at melt. Did he have it checked for actual gold content?

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,508 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow... did not see that coming! ...and maybe an answer to a question posed on a different thread: Why do people send coins in to be graded?...

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,618 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It would have fooled me. Let's hope it at least has high gold content.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,447 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll be meeting with him later and find out what he can remember. From what I can tell, it's been in a SDB for a long time so the cost basis is likely very low. It may have been his father's.

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,447 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Talked with the owner today.

    He bought it from Gene Henry about 50 years ago for $98! He keeps records and is in his early 80's.

    Gene used to have a shop out in Issaquah, where Bellevue Rare Coins is today.

    Several years ago I visited Gene in the shop. He had a box full of counterfeit coins that he had accumulated over the years, many gold, saying they were going to the ANA, after he passed, for educational purposes.

    I can only assume this one fooled him.

    It would be nice if PCGS included a note explaining their reasoning - give us some info for $70!

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • pcgsregistrycollectorpcgsregistrycollector Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 29, 2025 1:07PM

    removed

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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks off; other dates seem to be more likely to be counterfeits like a 1903 I had.

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,643 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 29, 2025 1:47PM

    Curious if this one came out of the Middle East back in the 1960’s, when a bunch of the 2.50 and 5.00 counterfeit denominations were made.

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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,447 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I thought it would come back altered surfaces - we will have it tested and hopefully there's some bullion value!

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks off to me especially the Mintmark, Hell still come out way ahead, there's probably a substantial amount of gold melt in that coin .

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,258 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The mint mark looks like a wide S from later than 1898. Had I not seen that it was counterfeit, I'd probably have asked for a close-up picture of it.

  • 4Redisin4Redisin Posts: 566 ✭✭✭
    edited June 29, 2025 8:15PM

    Isn't the gold too yellow? MS-64

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,081 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 30, 2025 6:55PM

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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,129 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like it is brass?

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  • coinpalicecoinpalice Posts: 2,461 ✭✭✭✭✭

    the reverse side is what gives it away

  • MedalCollectorMedalCollector Posts: 2,013 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @oreville said:
    Looks like it is brass?

    I would think so, based on that color. Hope that I am wrong though!

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