GTG - 1829 H10c - MS66 CAC
FlyingAl
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A couple fellow advanced collectors and I were wondering if this was primary or secondary toning, and while we arrived at the conclusion it was most likely secondary, we also concluded no one cares. It's incredible either way.
GTG!
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MS64+ but Gem wouldn’t offend me
I would bet it spent time in an NGC no line fatty as to how it got that toning
Great coin
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
Good thought @Crypto on the fatty toning. That is a big possibility. Considering the central areas contain vivid frosty surfaces, I would lean toward this being "primary" toning.
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Oops I forgot to GTG, MS-66
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you" Matthew 6:33. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.
BHNC #AN-10
JRCS #1606
MS65
MS65
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I’ll guess MS66
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I believe a lot of the toning occurred in a holder and I believe it to be an LM-13.1, but I'll leave the gtg to others wiser at grading than I.
Jim
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The 1st skin 2nd skin makes no matter, it’s the current state. That said I be shocked if it didn’t have a bath which made it more reactive when oils came off before being graded in the 80s, early 80s
The darker toning at 12oclock with the blue rim is the early NGC tell to these eyes
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I’ll SWAG 65, beautiful little coin!
i'm in for 67 !!
66
jom
I'll see your 67 and raise you a half, 67+ Gorgeous!
I think it would be a 66+.
What does primary vs secondary toning mean? I'm not familiar with the terminology. I tried to look it up, but there wasn't anything helpful. Thanks for the explanation in advance.
Toning on top of toning. The original toning from whatever it was originally stored in then secondary toning from its next home. As Crypto mentioned the secondary toning was most likely from an NGC holder.
In this case it's more of a question of if the coin has original surfaces vs. toned after a dip.
I don't know if I've ever heard of "toning on top of toning" referred to as anything but original.
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Primary would mean virgin original, the coin's natural color is unaltered from the time it was minted. The top percentile of the "originality spectrum", no type of assistance or alteration whatsoever. Original mint set, proof set toning, or crusty early gold with dirt in the devices could fit the bill.
"Secondary" means the coin was likely lightened, brightened, or dipped at some point in its life, whether decades or 100 years ago, and subsequently acquired its color through the storage method thereafter. You may have heard of "wayte Raymond" or "album toning" with the concentric rainbow in the peripheries, or it could be "windowsill toning" ,which is often a light but consistent golden hue.
Both can be considered "original" and both can be stunningly beautiful, many coins with "secondary" color look amazing and can tone more intensely than primary color could have. Also good secondary toning can earn a CAC sticker as long as the lightening was gentle enough not to impair the luster, and there aren't an excessive amount of hairlines.
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Learned something new today. But I can already see that I'm going to struggle with this concept. At least until I'm able to discern whether or not a coin has been dipped and based solely on a theory that it should have been this color or that color based on all of the others in a particular series. Or is it more that you can see the acid reduction and then conclude it is secondary toning?
Edit: I think I missed the point which is that secondary toning means that it was unequivocally dipped at some point.
66 CAC green
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ms 64+
With experience the dipped coins just jump out at you. It differs what to look for in Proofs vs. MS coins, but Dan did an excellent post for everyone above that explains the concept well.
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Clearly a superb gem and I see no grade limitations so I'll leave to those with far more experience on these.
66+ with a bean, and a hug from me, love it!
66 with a bean for the reveal!
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Congratulations Al on a spectacular fip. You can count me in the group of "don't care". Outstanding coin sir.
Thank you, but I’m merely the photographer of this gem.
@winesteven is the proud owner.
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Steve, @winesteven, congratulations! What a wonderful acquisition. She’s so clean and more so with the obverse peripheral toning. I could see it in a 67 holder, CAC. Zack.
@winesteven - very nice coin!
A very special, kind dealer had me in mind when he obtained that coin - David Sunshine.
Steve
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