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What constitutes a "Full roll" of a denomination?
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Now we all know the basic denominations for rolls...
Cent has 50 to a roll
Nickel has 40 to a roll
Quarter has 40 to a roll
and so on and on, but how many 2 cent pieces would be considered a full roll?
Would it be a dollar or 50? Or 25 to make a 50 cent roll like the small cents.
What about the 3 cent silvers? How many in that roll?
Large Cents are big and probably would fit 20 in a half dollar roll tube.
I would love to hear what others think about the odd coins .
Later, Paul.
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Well the AI person on Google says that paper coin rolling machines were first invented at the beginning of the 20ty century, so based on that scenario I don't think the denominations you mentioned ever had a roll to measure.
Presumably they had bag or maybe keg quantities.
I like the idea of 200 half cents for a $1 face tube
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I think the roll concept came along in the 20th century. The 19th century coins were not rolled. So there is no full roll amount because there were no rolls back then. Someone can correct me if I am wrong. A good question is "When did the government start rolling coins?:"
Right I get that and as true as that is, I would like to know what others would consider as a full roll of older denoms.
If I wanted to assemble a roll of $20 double eagles for example.
Later, Paul.
Rolls of coins from cents to quarters are roughly the same length, with the dime being the shortest. That keeps them at 40-50 a roll. Halves and Ike dollars are 20, I believe. Larger coins like those could be 20 per roll.
The coins that never made it into rolls, mostly 1920s and earlier, have no reference to how many fit into a roll. The modern type wrapper distribution took place in the early 1930s. This means any early date coinage that is "bank wrapped" means it was distributed in bank bags and likely rolled by a bank branch. Denominations/Types such as half cents, large cents, three cents, and two cents would be conjecture to estimate how many can fit into a roll. Such rolls did not exist in standard.
This is from memory and I could be wrong, please correct me if there is incorrect info here.
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I’ve heard of collectors focusing on a “roll” of a particular issue that had no rolls per se. But using the lingo of today to describe some quantity of an item that “in spirit” is the same as today’s item? I think the descriptor fits.
That said, discussing rolls of half cents or half dimes or two cent pieces seems silly and anachronistic.
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Maybe by weight as well ( heard that a while back ) for larger oders
Wouldn't that be great to see a roll of 3¢ silvers if there was such a thing??
In the early 80’s when I was working for Steve Ivy, as part of a consignment, a client sent in a partial paper “roll” of 1858 half dimes. I don’t remember what the paper looked like or how many coins there were, but I think the number was in the 20’s or 30’s. As I recall, the coins were AU to low grade unc. So no, it wasn’t an original (gem) bank-wrapped roll. 😉
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A "roll", for practical purposes, needs to come up to a full dollar amount if possible, provided that doing so was not too unweildy. Thus, you'd need 50 2 cent pieces to make a $1 roll. Here in Australia where 2 cent coins were in regular use up until 1989, rolls were 50 x 2c = $1 face. Ebay example of a 2 cent RAM roll.
For 3 cent pieces, you'd need 100 of them to make a $3 roll (this unwieldy requirement is partly why a 3 cent coin is an impractical denomination in a decimal currency system). 100 silver 3 cents in a roll might be manageable as they're thin, but 100 3 cent nickels would be a hefty stick, too impractical for use in banking and commerce as they'd be prone to self-destructing.
If the 3 cent nickel coin had survived in everyday circulation into the early 20th century, I doubt that coin rolling, as a concept, would have been invented at all.
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Are there any original Kegs of coins still out there?
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Maybe aboard shipwrecks?
I doubt there are any just sitting around in bank vaults or under people's floorboards.
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A roll of 50 three cent pieces would be $1.50 so what's not to like? Beats a roll of 48 at $1.44.
I don't think the government has ever rolled coins, except for special purposes. That is unless you consider the Federal Reserve Bank as part of the government. The Fed banks started rolling new coins after 1933. Actually I think 1934 was the first year. A few regional and local banks rolled new coins earlier, but rolling was mostly relegated to worn coins being rolled for return to the banks.
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for half dollars they used to have $2o rolls, were they considered on equal footing with the $10 roll?
Coins were being rolled long before the automatic rolling machine was first patented in 1913.
It was done by bank tellers using ordinary paper. It was likely to make it easier to count, but not necessarily standardized.
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now, the dollar coins at the bank are often dumped into their envelopes to make counting them easier
I'm a fan of the $400 double eagle roll
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Sorry, i don't understand your question. I know that the silver commemorative's about 1953 sometimes were in $20 rolls.
Smaller dollar coins minted from 1979 to date have 25 coins per roll.
i've seen pics of $20 rolls of half dollars on here. i was just wondering if they were once as common as $10 rolls back then.
I have a $20 roll of '64 Kennedy Halves. I think it's a 64-D. Only one I've every owned, but I have definitely seen them for sale here and there. Much less common than $10 rolls.
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That we haven't heard of yet. Ya never know out there 😉
It's an interesting thought about rolls, knowing too that many odd denominations continued circulating as isolated specimens into the start of the coin rolling era. However, by that point the coins were likely not readily available in sufficient quantities to warrant the making of paper rolls for the odd denominations.
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I’m working on a roll of cupro-nickel cents, both flying eagle and Indian heads. I’d like to see 50 of those stacked next to 50 almost slick bronze Indian heads.
50 slick barber dimes next to 50 unc Roosevelt dimes would be neat too.
Mark, Aren’t you still working for Steve Ivey? 😉
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No, Stuart. But I am still working for Steve Ivy, as part of Heritage.😉
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Mark, Thanks for clarifying — my Ivy spelling stands corrected. 😉
Stuart
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When I worked in the casino hard count room as a teen (very eary 60's) we rolled silver dollars in $5, 10, 20 and $50 rolls. Change girls loved the little $5 rolls and hated the $50 rolls. Wish I had kept a few of the larger ones. Hindsight.
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