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1878 CC PCGSMS63DMPL VAM ?
bhinkle81
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I had bought this 1878 CC PCGSMS63DMPL a LONG time ago and had posted it on the old VAMWORLD
and they attributed it for me.
The problem is, that I didn't label the slab, with the VAM.
Since I can't look it up on VAMWORLD anymore, can anyone please tell me which VAM it is?
I remember it was a common one.
Where can I go to see the dates and mint mark silver dollar VAMS now?
Why did Vamworld stop?
Thank You, Bert
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VAM 11 Top 100 Lines In Wing
Here's VamWorld2.0 https://www.vamworld.com/wiki/Morgan_VAMs_by_Date.
I think that the original VamWorld went down do to the servers/software that they used was starting to get too old/out of date or decommissioned?
top 100 sounds pretty good
Thats a really attractive strike...
The hair around the face, especially above the ear is hammered..
That's a nice one. Is it for sale?
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If the mirrors are solid you may consider cracking that out and resubmitting with the designation.
From what I’m seeing you have a good shot at 64
You have a nice VAM 11. VAMWorld was down for a few days because of bot issues, but is working as of Saturday morning. I seem to have resolved it by adding a Cloudflare firewall, but we'll see. Details are on the VW forum.
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A BIG THANK YOU EVERYONE!
Getting up there in age, I think has slowed me down.
I put the VAM 11 on my 1878 CC slab.
I'm glad I had a number of closeup pictures, saved of this Morgan and finally
saw there were two more pictures, that I had overlooked.
THANK YOU John Henery for the website on Vamworld
I was just about to post pictures of a Morgan, that you messydesk, had helped me attribute many years ago, on the old Vamworld.
Nice Morgan Vam Bert. I would suggest checking out some of the 1891-O Vams. You might find something you like!
Sorry 'ProofCollection Posts' I really enjoy going to my bank and getting some of these coins, that I had found many years ago and just remembering the good times, when I was able to find some nice coins.
Thank you for offering to buy it.
I remember a member, that was on one of the sites, John Bradley, who helped me, by attributing many of my silver dollar by the pictures, that I had posted.
VAMworld is still there
here is the page for the 78-cc
https://www.vamworld.com/wiki/1878-CC_VAMs
I'm kind of surprised it pulled a 63. Can anyone explain that to me ?
From what I can tell, and mind you I'm no expert, it looks like a lovely strike to me.
Well, it could be one or more of multiple reasons.
The lighting used for those pictures might show the coin in an endearing manner, and in hand, the contact marks could be more apparent.
The coin could be silently net graded for an issue thats not easily visible, I'm not sure what that dark area is from 11 to 2 on the obverse, perhaps just toning, but if it was staining that affected the eye appeal, or the coin was hazy or dippy with muted luster, they might have dropped it from 64 to 63.
The coin might be what's known as a "double liner", meaning that the graders were on the fence about both the numeric grade, and the designation. In these striations situations (edit- seriously, auto correct?) , they'll often give it one but not both. If it was a borderline 64/64 that also was borderline PL/DMPL, they'll either go 63DMPL or 64PL. Since the DMPL designation is worth much more than PL, they actually would be doing the submitter a favor with a 63DMPL rather than a 64PL.
None of these reasons are mutually exclusive , and it could be a combination. The OP photos do seem a bit fuzzy, whether it was inadequate camera equipment or a dirty camera lens, but that's not to say that the coin might meet the criteria for 64 DMPL by today's standards. It's difficult to asses proof like surfaces even with quality photos, but with the current photos I would lean towards #3 being the most likely reason, with a sprinkle of #1 and #2 as well. Videos would be ideal for grading a coin like this without seeing it in hand, but I do think it looks nice in the current holder and if the mirrors were there, I would try my luck with CAC. If I were being picky I might note the carbon spot on the reverse wreath, but If I were going to try to upgrade the coin, I'd consider trying to gently lift it off the surface with a rose thorn and remove any contaminants that might hinder the luster.
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Thanks for taking the time out for the excellent response Peaks.
If I had to guess, I'd say the marks on the nose and eyebrow may be more severe than we can tell from the photo. I think it would probably get a + if submitted for regrade, assuming there are not issues that we are not detecting in the photos.
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Agree with @PeakRarities, a 63DMPL is much better then a 64PL so I'd be happy with current grade and never risk re-submission. I think today's DMPL designation is tougher then in the past.
It is for sure, but there is no risk to a regrade submission. The only risk would be a crackout resubmission.
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