Should a grading co. Inform a submitter that they sent in an obvious error coin?
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If an uninformed person sent in a coin in that they had no idea what it was and didn't pay the extra money to identify it as an error piece should the grading let them know that it's an error.
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No, the responsibility is on the submitter to know what they are submitting. If TPG's stopped the process and flagged every minor error or variety that is not identified by a submitter the grading process would take far more months than it does now.
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Would the graders necessarily be able to identify error coins? Also, if the graders were able to ID error coins(of which are many), it would be a benefit to them to do so for the fee involved, besides if it increased value to place it into a higher bracket fee.
Jim
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How about a 1 of a kind piece?
By definition every error coin is a one of a kind.
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They might grade it as what you submitted but put in a note to tell you is a error coin. They did that for me for preservation. They grade it but said it is better to preserve it which I sent it back again asked for preservation and got a better grade. By the way both PCGS and NGC did this to me before.
I totally agree the reason I posted this is because I sent it a bust quarter error through a dealer that didn't even know what to change me because there weren't any flip-over double struck pieces from 1806 on the list he used.and after paying 110.00 it came back unverified twice. I really don't want to sell it but, I might have to because because my kids know nothing about coins.
I’m confused. If the dealer submitted the coin on your behalf and you knew what it was, why didn’t you have him submit it as an error?
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Wow I sent in 1 though a dealer told what it was and it came back twice unverified
How about some pics of the coin?
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You are not making any sense and your thread title is false. If you knew/know you have an error what good would it do you to have a TPG notify you of what you already know? Again, the onus is on you or in this case your agent (the dealer) to fill out the paperwork correctly, the TPG is not at fault because you or your agent did not do so.
Now if your contention is that the paperwork was filled out correctly (which I don't remember you saying in this thread) then PCGS doesn't agree with what was filed out on the submission form or simply whiffed on this one. This would not be the first time a TPG missed something, even something as obvious as a flip over double strike.
Agree let's see this one of a kind error you say you have.
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I'm guessing that unless it is a fairly obvious error, it runs the risk of not being acknowledged by PCGS if not mentioned on the submission form.
It’s up to the submitter to take responsibility and inform the TPG in that scenario. Not saying the TPG won’t.
I evidently took the meaning of the post in a completely different direction. I assumed it was for a submitter without knowledge of the error. Of course, it is less sensical if submitter knew the "error of his ways".
Jim
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Someone evidently requested attribution per the B-6 designation.
Jim
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The person who attributed as a B-3 had to look for the missing foot on the I andT in Liberty and had to see the letter E beneath the I and B.
Contact customer service. Or simply resubmit it as an error coin. This is on your dealer if he failed to submit it in the right tier.
I don’t understand the twice part, if that was the same coin, you would’ve told the dealer the second time around. Maybe I missed something but if I’m grading a coin, pretty sure I would’ve saw that error.
Isn't that a clash and not a flip over?
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The dealer contacted PCGS and they sent him a paid envelope to send it back and got it back the same way
No if it was a clash mark the E would be backwards
The twice part is pcgs sent the dealer a post paid envelope for resubmission and he got it back with the same label.
Die clashes would not have a backwards E. When no blank is present when the dies are struck together they will transfer the details or partial details. Then when a blank is inserted and struck that gets transferred to the coin. Morgan dollars have many clashing die examples (my area of interest).
bob
Hi Bob, I'm somewhat confused are you saying that E pictured is a clash mark from E PLURBUS UNUM from the obverse? How can a letter from the edge of one die clash that far toward the center of the other die. Thanks Dave
@AUandAG Wouldn't a die clash mean that there would be more examples that look just like that? I'm not understanding the die clash theory either, admittedly I'm not an error or variety guy.
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It's what keeps the secondary market alive, if the commission to the grader went up for Identifying a major variety or even a rare one. Then the TPG should be proud to have it in their plastic.
What about a wrong stock error?
peacockcoins
Yes, the dies clashed without a blank and then the next (more than a few) coins struck would have the E from E Pluribus. Check these out on Vamworld: http://www.vamworld.com/wiki/Elite_Clashed_Morgan_Dollars
bob
This E clash mark is from the word LIBERTY on the headband.
The 1806 Quarter is definitely a flip-over double strike. If you look at the certificate verification for the coin you can see the 0 of the date under the arrow feathers, the 6 of the date under the eagle's tail feathers, and the drapery lines running through the tail feathers and the C of the denomination. On the obverse the letter that looks like an "L" just below where the B of LIBERTY should be is actually the "E" of "STATES."
I suspect that the first strike may have been some kind of incomplete mis-strike, possibly caused by the hammer die having gotten out of alignment, with the imperfect coin then put back in the press for a better second strike. That could explain why the original strike only shows at the top of the obverse and the corresponding bottom of the reverse.
You also have some fairly normal die clashing, but the jumble in the word LIBERTY is not the result of die clashing.
TD
And had this come through ANACS when I was Senior Authenticator there we would definitely have automatically certified this as a flip-over double strike.
I would like for them to if it's a major error or variety that they just happened to notice. No need to take time to look over every coin for errors/varieties.
They can call me and I can put them on hold for 30 minutes. Then I'll come on and ask if they'd like a call back when I reach them in my call log. Or if they prefer they can email me and I'll answer in 2 or 3 weeks, if ever.
I've been having problems with errors such as this being authenticated at PCGS. Feels like the experts at PCGS take one glance and have little knowledge about more obscure mint errors. To NGC they go for another try!
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And if you paid extra for the mint error service you can keep sending it back for mechanical error as far as I know, because they didn't follow through with the service.
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Well you got me there, I guess there is the exception to every rule.
@Bustquarterhound thanks for posting the photos of your coin, a very interesting coin indeed.
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Those were the good old days. As I understand it, when john Doe sent a coin to ANACS they would send it back as what it was whether the submitter realized it was an OMM, RPD, DDO/R, variety, error or not! That was the "S." SERVICE! Back then the graders actually were KNOWLEDGEABLE NUMISMATISTS! Some of those Oldtimers still work there. Best of all I don't think there was a charge for that kind of SERVICE.