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New Washington Quarter Album Toners!

Matt04Matt04 Posts: 182 ✭✭✭

Thought I'd share two Washington Quarter Album Toners I obtained Raw from an album. The 1946-S Is by far my favorite Toner I've ever had! As I compile specimens to send in soon to PCGS this may potentially end up getting slabbed.

https://imgur.com/gcxbOw0

https://imgur.com/G9i4tGd

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  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,109 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ok, now that I've spent ten minutes in imgur browsing all the "other?" stuff. I'd like that time back please.
    Nice quarters though.

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Please take this comment with an enormous grain of sand as I have not seen the coin in-had at all and I think what I am seeing might be due to the lighting used. However, even though the 1946-S WQ as an issue can come with fabulous toning, I don't know if I would be comfortable with how I am interpreting the color on this coin because of the quality or depth of the violet-blue toning along the edge in combination with what might be crackle-type toning throughout the coin.

    In the mid or late 1990s this combination started to pop up on commems and PCGS and NGC quickly came down as AT. They still appear, and also appear on Franklins and WQs, but there was a kind of "look" that many of these had that this is reminiscent of. Again, I would not be shocked to be wildly off-base here given lighting can do lots of things to images.

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

    image
  • Matt04Matt04 Posts: 182 ✭✭✭

    @TomB said:
    Please take this comment with an enormous grain of sand as I have not seen the coin in-had at all and I think what I am seeing might be due to the lighting used. However, even though the 1946-S WQ as an issue can come with fabulous toning, I don't know if I would be comfortable with how I am interpreting the color on this coin because of the quality or depth of the violet-blue toning along the edge in combination with what might be crackle-type toning throughout the coin.

    In the mid or late 1990s this combination started to pop up on commems and PCGS and NGC quickly came down as AT. They still appear, and also appear on Franklins and WQs, but there was a kind of "look" that many of these had that this is reminiscent of. Again, I would not be shocked to be wildly off-base here given lighting can do lots of things to images.

    Here are some closer up photos. (Not in slab just placed ontop of one)

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I know of that which Tom is talking about. There were also a flurry of classic commemoratives that offered the same type/kind of toning. (Many were subsequently housed in SEGS holders.)
    Even so, and with that stated, I love the overall look and presentation and turning a bit of a blind eye toward the reality I'd rather live in the possibility and do think there is a chance- not a likelyhood- yet a chance your coins will holder and slab with PCGS if that is your desire.
    Otherwise, in a Dansco home, the overall presentation would remain magnificent and without the months of worry and eventual consternation ending at the results of certification.

    peacockcoins

  • DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice quarter with a fun album toned look. Shockingly toned? No. A solid 'somewhat-premium' example? Yes.

    I "specialize" and search for the common-date and pretty toners of all types. If this one was valued at "X" (in a GSB world), I can see it being listed for "X" + 20%. That type of toning and piece . . . . .

    Drunner

  • Matt04Matt04 Posts: 182 ✭✭✭

    Update ! It was sent off to get graded. I actually stumbled upon this in the Washington Quarter Registry page. Coincidently also a 1946-S! Really reminds me of the coin I have, especially the reverse purple tone!

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good luck with your submission!

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

    image
  • Matt04Matt04 Posts: 182 ✭✭✭

    Thanks! Will share an update in a couple of weeks!

  • Matt04Matt04 Posts: 182 ✭✭✭
    edited March 25, 2025 8:39PM

    @TomB said:
    Good luck with your submission!

    I found this hidden Gem few weeks back ! Gonna crack it out. Most Likely been preserved in that glass or resin since 1971 ! Guessing from an Original 1946 Bank Roll !

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Be aware that coins dropped into Lucite can appear far nicer while entombed than they are when broken out. I would guess that might be due to the acrylic filling in any nooks and crannies on the coin and essentially smoothing out the surfaces as we see them. I'm not saying the coin will be a gashed-up dog, but I am saying it might not be as pristine after the fact.

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

    image
  • Matt04Matt04 Posts: 182 ✭✭✭

    @TomB said:
    Be aware that coins dropped into Lucite can appear far nicer while entombed than they are when broken out. I would guess that might be due to the acrylic filling in any nooks and crannies on the coin and essentially smoothing out the surfaces as we see them. I'm not saying the coin will be a gashed-up dog, but I am saying it might not be as pristine after the fact.

    Gotcha, have you seen stuff like this before? My first time I've come across something like this from many decades ago.

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've seen two coins in-hand that were in Lucite and then broken out. Both looked a little less spiffy once freed from their acrylic tomb. This does not mean that it will always be this way, but my very limited experience tells me it is a possibility.

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

    image
  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What is your plan for cracking that quarter out?

  • Matt04Matt04 Posts: 182 ✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    What is your plan for cracking that quarter out?

    No Clue yet, but open to suggestions ! Never done it before ha

  • 4Redisin4Redisin Posts: 353 ✭✭✭

    @DaRigMan04 said:

    @davewesen said:
    What is your plan for cracking that quarter out?

    No Clue yet, but open to suggestions ! Never done it before ha

    Soak it in acetone. If you have a bandsaw you can remove much of the plastic and save lots of time.

  • 4Redisin4Redisin Posts: 353 ✭✭✭

    @TomB said:
    Please take this comment with an enormous grain of sand as I have not seen the coin in-had at all and I think what I am seeing might be due to the lighting used. However, even though the 1946-S WQ as an issue can come with fabulous toning, I don't know if I would be comfortable with how I am interpreting the color on this coin because of the quality or depth of the violet-blue toning along the edge in combination with what might be crackle-type toning throughout the coin.

    In the mid or late 1990s this combination started to pop up on commems and PCGS and NGC quickly came down as AT. They still appear, and also appear on Franklins and WQs, but there was a kind of "look" that many of these had that this is reminiscent of. Again, I would not be shocked to be wildly off-base here given lighting can do lots of things to images.

    I remember that. Bob Cambell showed it in a presentation on toning. Most of the coins were commemoratives. As I remember, it looked nothing like this. The colors were "block-like" - pastels to brown.

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I remember past threads discussing similar situations. I can not use the search here well enough to find them. Some talked about acrylic and using solvents to dissolve.

    How much acetone would be needed to free this?

  • Matt04Matt04 Posts: 182 ✭✭✭

    Update... I underestimated how hard it would be to get this out lol. So now it remains in a bath of acetone. I tried drilling holes around the coin just to get rid of as much as I could. The coin is definitely a beaut though ! Take into account in the photos below there were lots of scuffs on the surface of the acrylic.

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It seems like an awful lot of environmental damage (bath of acetone solvent) just to try to get a quarter out of Lucite…

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

    image
  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was thinking band saw to make into small square and then either press or vice to make shatter. The problem is could damage coin and make more nicks. Keep us updated on progress.

  • Matt04Matt04 Posts: 182 ✭✭✭
    edited March 29, 2025 10:08PM

    @TomB said:
    It seems like an awful lot of environmental damage (bath of acetone solvent) just to try to get a quarter out of Lucite…

    eh its encased in it, unless the acetone is absorbed into that deep layer the coin sits in, should be fine? Softening the outer layer since this piece is thick. I want it out, been trapped in there for over 50 yrs!

  • Matt04Matt04 Posts: 182 ✭✭✭
    edited March 30, 2025 8:39PM

    Update, Its almost there! What a pain in the A** but a neat experience. Patience is key. The coin is slightly exposed now on the rim and partial part of the reverse. I will be taking extreme careful steps to ensure I do not damage it in the process now that its exposed. Looks very lustrous ! It sits in an acetone bath for another hour or two before I can hopefully set it free for the first time in over 50 yrs.

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 9,540 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So close but yet so far away.................. :#

    "When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"

  • Matt04Matt04 Posts: 182 ✭✭✭

    Its been freed after 54 years in acrylic !

  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very cool!

  • NorCalJackNorCalJack Posts: 574 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 31, 2025 10:30AM

    @DaRigMan04 said:
    Update ! It was sent off to get graded. I actually stumbled upon this in the Washington Quarter Registry page. Coincidently also a 1946-S! Really reminds me of the coin I have, especially the reverse purple tone!

    That is actually my coin. LOL. I really like my coin, I purchased it off eBay raw. I wish it was an MS-67 though

  • Matt04Matt04 Posts: 182 ✭✭✭

    Verdicts In! I just need to wait until the cert# goes up online. Says images ready but not on my orders page. Excited for the TV!!!

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow, congrats ++++

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You're just killing me! Let's see the grades!

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

    image
  • hummingbird_coinshummingbird_coins Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I commend you for having made significant strides towards specializing in a series so quickly. I recall some of the first Washington quarters you posted were nothing to write home about, and now you're posting toned superb gems. It's good to see someone new who is really invested in what they post and who takes the advice they are given at face value.
    BTW that "crackly" toning is often found on mid-40s S-mint silver coinage.

    Young Numismatist • My Toned Coins
    Life is roadblocks. Don't let nothing stop you, 'cause we ain't stopping. - DJ Khaled

  • Matt04Matt04 Posts: 182 ✭✭✭
    edited April 16, 2025 8:37PM

    @hummingbird_coins said:
    I commend you for having made significant strides towards specializing in a series so quickly. I recall some of the first Washington quarters you posted were nothing to write home about, and now you're posting toned superb gems. It's good to see someone new who is really invested in what they post and who takes the advice they are given at face value.
    BTW that "crackly" toning is often found on mid-40s S-mint silver coinage.

    I appreciate that! Washington Quarters for the longest time have been by far, my favorite series, specifically Pre-65. I had started collecting while in elementary school 12/13 Years ago. I stopped over 10 years ago collecting and this past October I found my tiny safe in a closet with all the Silver I had stacked and coins. Finding my old collection reignited my interest again. I really think the Washington Quarter series is undervalued/appreciated Vs something like Morgans. With time I'm sure WQ's will become more and more popular and valued. I'd say the key to understanding how a coin grades is by actually having a piece you can inspect and understand with your own hands and eyes. With the pointed out details and questions answered by those on this forum I was able to pinpoint key details like cheek, field and marks. Also an important point too is understanding toning, what's considered good eye appeal vs not. This particular Quarter I got real lucky with, it was in an album with 15 other Quarters. I had eye'd it down and that was the sole reason I bought it.

    While I'm at it I might make a video on all the graded Quarters I have coming in from PCGS on Monday. I use to make coin videos over 11/12 yrs ago on it but haven't since. Would be cool to bring it back !

  • Matt04Matt04 Posts: 182 ✭✭✭

    Also I might add, the other day I got in this really Original Skin/Frosty 1953-S MS67 Graded by NGC. Incredible Luster and tone, there is a scratch on the reverse on the eagles neck but I really hope that doesn't detract from its grade if I did plan to cross it over someday. For the most part I tend to shy-away from MS67's from NGC because I have noticed often they are over-graded. I have seen hits on cheeks left and right with MS67 grades. This Quarter in Original Condition is an exception.

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can see the cut across the eagle's throat, but it doesn't appear too bad. The S-mint WQs from 1947-1954 have some of the most wild luster I have ever seen. They can be amazing.

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

    image
  • Matt04Matt04 Posts: 182 ✭✭✭
    edited April 17, 2025 8:26AM

    Trueview is Up! Wow Just wow! I think those hit marks above Washington's hair might have held it back from a 67+

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice! Do you remember if you bought it raw or was it a crackout and then spent 15 years in your album?

    An excellent group. Your 1847-D has so much die polish, it might have gotten through with a light wipe or cleaning.

  • Matt04Matt04 Posts: 182 ✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    Very nice! Do you remember if you bought it raw or was it a crackout and then spent 15 years in your album?

    An excellent group. Your 1847-D has so much die polish, it might have gotten through with a light wipe or cleaning.

    The photo I shared above was of it in the album which consisted of 15 other BU Quarters I had bought several months back. I am not certain of its origins but it came from a antique shop so who knows.

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