Will/Can my new purchase earn a CAC sticker? 1955-DDO Lincoln cent, AU58 (photo added)

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Joe_360
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edited March 22, 2025 1:47PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Please give me your honest opinion and advice, Thanks

Will/Can my new purchase earn a CAC sticker? 1955-DDO Lincoln cent, AU58 (photo added)

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  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No it won't

    can't tell from photos

    also the forum software limits the width. stack the photos 1 over the other

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  • Shurke
    Shurke Posts: 782 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    If it looks like a solid 58 to you, I’d say it’s worth a try.

  • Joe_360
    Joe_360 Posts: 1,872 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Any better? I try to get a good picture with my scope..

  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 22, 2025 1:50PM
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    No it won't

    scope pictures are not good

    pull back a bit to get the whole coin and post both sides

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  • Joe_360
    Joe_360 Posts: 1,872 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • johnny9434
    johnny9434 Posts: 34,068 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No it won't

    Looks to me as a no, jmo

  • Joe_360
    Joe_360 Posts: 1,872 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 22, 2025 1:53PM
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  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No it won't

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  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No it won't

    overlit a little

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  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No it won't

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  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No it won't

    the reverse photo is good, better than the obverse

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  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No it won't

    without thinking of the grade, it won't sticker with that verdigris on the reverse

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  • Joe_360
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  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No it won't

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  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No it won't

    don't like it as a 58

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  • Desert Moon
    Desert Moon Posts: 6,480 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No it won't

    Nice coin, would depend in part on the luster, which we can't see in the image. I am also concerned about some of the nicks in obvious focal areas (cheek, forehead). I suspect CAC won't either, but you can never say for sure. I give it a 40:60 chance of beaning. Hope it does.

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  • CAC_Man
    CAC_Man Posts: 24 ✭✭
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    No it won't

    Think its worth it since its a high end coin!

    Wes Brush Cataloguer and Buyer for DLRC.

  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No it won't

    I think the 3 hits on Lincoln’s portrait eliminate the green bean.

  • golden
    golden Posts: 10,535 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No it won't

    I am in the no camp.

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No it won't

    @CAC_Man said:
    Think its worth it since its a high end coin!

    Your comment appears to be inconsistent with your “no” vote.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • JeremyBolt
    JeremyBolt Posts: 14 ✭
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    It's a nice addition to your collection but unfortunately it won't CAC. The high points are very worn down.

  • braddick
    braddick Posts: 25,183 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Yes and worth it!

    I voted before the added photos showing hits on the portrait. Those are troublesome and CAC won't like them.

  • MFeld
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    No it won't

    Even if the detail is of a solid AU58 - and I can’t tell that from the fuzzy images - I think the distracting hits on the obverse portrait would preclude a sticker from CAC.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • airplanenut
    airplanenut Posts: 22,764 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No it won't

    The pictures aren’t super helpful here, but the pockmark on Lincoln’s head and the crud on the lower left periphery are both detractions and I’d think no sticker.

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  • oreville
    oreville Posts: 12,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 24, 2025 9:26AM
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    No it won't

    NGC is well known for being too liberal in its grading. This coin looks to be more like an AU-53 to AU-55 at best. Do not be upset. The valuation changes by less than 15% from AU-58 to AU-53.

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  • Joe_360
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    @oreville said:
    NGC is well known for being too liberal in its grading. This coin looks to be more like an AU-53 to AU-55 at best. Do not be upset. The valuation changes by less than 15% from AU-58 to AU-53.

    Thanks for your input. I guess that's a good thing for me then, because all of the AU58 (and 1 AU55) graded by our host at the show were all >$3k and I got my coin for under the price guides amount from both our host and NGC, so I guess that will work for me...

  • VanHalen
    VanHalen Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 24, 2025 6:28PM
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    No it won't

    It looks like a nice piece but from those images I voted no. I like the traces of mint red peaking through. The pock mark on the forehead is in a prime focal area but shouldn't hurt the grade.

  • Connecticoin
    Connecticoin Posts: 13,278 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No it won't

    No due to the crud (verdigris?) on the lower left rim

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  • ShaunBC5
    ShaunBC5 Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No it won't

    I think it won’t, but also that it’s worth sending in. I skipped a lot of posts before responding (which I often do in polls)…is it reasonably assumed that it hasn’t been to CAC yet?

  • Joe_360
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    @oreville said:
    NGC is well known for being too liberal in its grading. This coin looks to be more like an AU-53 to AU-55 at best. Do not be upset. The valuation changes by less than 15% from AU-58 to AU-53.

    Question, is there a way to see the population of host with CAC stickers verse NGC? That could prove your observation...

  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No it won't

    i think it has verdigris. can you confirm any green on the front or back?

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  • Joe_360
    Joe_360 Posts: 1,872 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 24, 2025 6:30PM
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    I do appreciate everyone feedback and input.

    @MsMorrisine said:
    i think it has verdigris. can you confirm any green on the front or back?

    There is absolutely NO green on this coin, as it's actually more of a "chocolate" in color then a light-brown. I believe that you are seeing effects from the lighting?

    The coins is actually very nice in hand to the naked-eye. The pock-mark on Lincoln's forehead is the only one that is noticeable (stands out) , the other is hardly noticeable... The lighting in the photo's (I just can't get good lighting) I may try something else...

    The fields on the coins, both obverse and reverse are clean. Yes the pock-mark on the forehead is distracting, but the coin is clean. The reverse does out perform the obverse which I know is probably a negative to most..

    Thanks again to all, Joe

  • humanssuck
    humanssuck Posts: 701 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No it won't

    If that CAC's as a 58 with those gouges/hits on the face and reverse I will be very dissapointed with CAC.

    I like the coin, just not as a 58. If you bought it right, still could be an ok purchase.

  • Joe_360
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    @humanssuck said:
    If that CAC's as a 58 with those gouges/hits on the face and reverse I will be very dissapointed with CAC.

    I like the coin, just not as a 58. If you bought it right, still could be an ok purchase.

    I respect your opinion, but the reverse has no issues at AU58. The lettering and wheats are clean (IMO)

  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No it won't

    @Joe_360 said:
    @MsMorrisine said:
    i think it has verdigris. can you confirm any green on the front or back?
    There is absolutely NO green on this coin, as it's actually more of a "chocolate" in color that a light-brown. I believe that you are seeing effects from the lighting?

    it's a good chocolate brown

    i suppose it can be taken out by the forehead, but i'm also in the belief au coins aren't 69's with wear. though a few well placed hits are not as desirable as some light contact marks. i'd start with solid for the grade first.

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  • humanssuck
    humanssuck Posts: 701 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No it won't

    @Joe_360 said:

    @humanssuck said:
    If that CAC's as a 58 with those gouges/hits on the face and reverse I will be very dissapointed with CAC.

    I like the coin, just not as a 58. If you bought it right, still could be an ok purchase.

    I respect your opinion, but the reverse has no issues at AU58. The lettering and wheats are clean (IMO)

    I disagree with the lettering being clean.

  • Joe_360
    Joe_360 Posts: 1,872 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @humanssuck said:

    @Joe_360 said:

    @humanssuck said:
    If that CAC's as a 58 with those gouges/hits on the face and reverse I will be very dissapointed with CAC.

    I like the coin, just not as a 58. If you bought it right, still could be an ok purchase.

    I respect your opinion, but the reverse has no issues at AU58. The lettering and wheats are clean (IMO)

    I disagree with the lettering being clean.

    You are correct, we disagree. I don't believe that most coins are consistently viewed under high magnification. I've seen MS65 Morgans with heavy bag-marks...

  • oreville
    oreville Posts: 12,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 24, 2025 7:30PM
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    No it won't

    @Joe_360 said:

    @oreville said:
    NGC is well known for being too liberal in its grading. This coin looks to be more like an AU-53 to AU-55 at best. Do not be upset. The valuation changes by less than 15% from AU-58 to AU-53.

    Question, is there a way to see the population of host with CAC stickers verse NGC? That could prove your observation...

    Only way is to painstakingly count each PCGS AU-58 that has received stickering versus NGC.

    My determination of NGC vs PCGS grading of AU-58 DDO cents is based upon my years of observation of both.

    Looking at the reverse lower wheat ears you can see definite signs of wear which precludes an AU-58 grade.

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  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No it won't

    and i was looking at the wheat kernels

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  • Joe_360
    Joe_360 Posts: 1,872 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @oreville said:

    @Joe_360 said:

    @oreville said:
    NGC is well known for being too liberal in its grading. This coin looks to be more like an AU-53 to AU-55 at best. Do not be upset. The valuation changes by less than 15% from AU-58 to AU-53.

    Question, is there a way to see the population of host with CAC stickers verse NGC? That could prove your observation...

    Only way is to painstakingly count each PCGS AU-58 that has received stickering versus NGC.

    My determination of NGC vs PCGS grading of AU-58 DDO cents is based upon my years of observation of both.

    Looking at the reverse lower wheat ears you can see definite signs of wear which precludes an AU-58 grade.

    Even tougher, I meant for all CAC sticker's, not just AU58... maybe AU and above...

  • Cougar1978
    Cougar1978 Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No it won't

    Don’t see sticker for it.

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  • pcgsregistrycollector
    pcgsregistrycollector Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No it won't

    @Joe_360 said:
    Please give me your honest opinion and advice, Thanks

    coin looks dark on hand

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  • humanssuck
    humanssuck Posts: 701 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No it won't

    @Joe_360 said:

    @humanssuck said:

    @Joe_360 said:

    @humanssuck said:
    If that CAC's as a 58 with those gouges/hits on the face and reverse I will be very dissapointed with CAC.

    I like the coin, just not as a 58. If you bought it right, still could be an ok purchase.

    I respect your opinion, but the reverse has no issues at AU58. The lettering and wheats are clean (IMO)

    I disagree with the lettering being clean.

    You are correct, we disagree. I don't believe that most coins are consistently viewed under high magnification. I've seen MS65 Morgans with heavy bag-marks...

    Admittedly the ANA grading standard uses words for AU58 that are subjective, as "major detracting contact marks" is going to mean something different to everyone.

    Fwiw, my initial observations were made viewing the pictures provided unzoomed on a cell phone screen, so the pictures are actually slightly smaller than a penny in real life, so not 'high magnification'. The marks on both the obverse and reverse to me were obvious and distracting even before zooming in. I like the coin as an AU55. Good luck with your submission.

  • alaura22
    alaura22 Posts: 3,963 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Just send it in and get the real professionals to take a look.
    You have the coin and for $50-$100 you'll get your answer, if you don't send it in you'll be wondering forever.

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  • Joe_360
    Joe_360 Posts: 1,872 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 24, 2025 8:03PM
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    @humanssuck said:

    @Joe_360 said:

    @humanssuck said:

    @Joe_360 said:

    @humanssuck said:
    If that CAC's as a 58 with those gouges/hits on the face and reverse I will be very dissapointed with CAC.

    I like the coin, just not as a 58. If you bought it right, still could be an ok purchase.

    I respect your opinion, but the reverse has no issues at AU58. The lettering and wheats are clean (IMO)

    I disagree with the lettering being clean.

    You are correct, we disagree. I don't believe that most coins are consistently viewed under high magnification. I've seen MS65 Morgans with heavy bag-marks...

    Admittedly the ANA grading standard uses words for AU58 that are subjective, as "major detracting contact marks" is going to mean something different to everyone.

    Fwiw, my initial observations were made viewing the pictures provided unzoomed on a cell phone screen, so the pictures are actually slightly smaller than a penny in real life, so not 'high magnification'. The marks on both the obverse and reverse to me were obvious and distracting even before zooming in. I like the coin as an AU55. Good luck with your submission.

    Thank you Mr, Wizard, Please show me your 1955-DDO...

  • oreville
    oreville Posts: 12,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No it won't

    You might be better off to try to cross to CACG at the minimum grade AU-58 grade. If it fails you do not lose your NGC slab. You only pay $10 plus the $10 processing fee in case of failure. You can then try it at AU-55 if you decide to go forward.

    I believe a CACG slabbed AU-55 is worth more than a NGC AU-58 without a sticker.

    Last comment…. Your original photo makes your cent look worse than your updated photo.

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  • humanssuck
    humanssuck Posts: 701 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    No it won't

    @Joe_360 said:

    @humanssuck said:

    @Joe_360 said:

    @humanssuck said:

    @Joe_360 said:

    @humanssuck said:
    If that CAC's as a 58 with those gouges/hits on the face and reverse I will be very dissapointed with CAC.

    I like the coin, just not as a 58. If you bought it right, still could be an ok purchase.

    I respect your opinion, but the reverse has no issues at AU58. The lettering and wheats are clean (IMO)

    I disagree with the lettering being clean.

    You are correct, we disagree. I don't believe that most coins are consistently viewed under high magnification. I've seen MS65 Morgans with heavy bag-marks...

    Admittedly the ANA grading standard uses words for AU58 that are subjective, as "major detracting contact marks" is going to mean something different to everyone.

    Fwiw, my initial observations were made viewing the pictures provided unzoomed on a cell phone screen, so the pictures are actually slightly smaller than a penny in real life, so not 'high magnification'. The marks on both the obverse and reverse to me were obvious and distracting even before zooming in. I like the coin as an AU55. Good luck with your submission.

    Thank you Mr, Wizard, Please show me your 1955-DDO...

    You are most welcome for providing you with the honest opinion and feedback that you solicited in your post.

  • Harlequin
    Harlequin Posts: 232 ✭✭✭
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    I'm just not familiar enough with the bean standards to make a call but I do love to see these (in any condition) :)

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