Guess the Grade - Franklin Half (revealed in comments)

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U1chicago
U1chicago Posts: 6,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited February 21, 2025 7:00PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Please guess the grade of this toned Franklin Half Dollar.
I have included the PCGS Trueview and a GC Great Photo.

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  • braddick
    braddick Posts: 25,183 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS67
    A beauty.

  • Shurke
    Shurke Posts: 782 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I’ll guess 66+.

  • relicsncoins
    relicsncoins Posts: 8,301 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS65.

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  • ColoradoCoinGuy
    ColoradoCoinGuy Posts: 264 ✭✭✭
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    If it was a white coin I would say MS63+, MS64 tops. With the bump for toning, I will say MS65. I feel there are too many hits and scrapes hidden by the toning.

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  • marcmoish
    marcmoish Posts: 6,936 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    65+
    too much chatter and rub for better, but nice ea.

  • drmenard
    drmenard Posts: 10 ✭
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    I am going with MS66

  • privatecoin
    privatecoin Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    66

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  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    65

  • ColonelKlinck
    ColonelKlinck Posts: 415 ✭✭✭
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    MS65, includes the bump for nice toning

  • Swampboy
    Swampboy Posts: 13,257 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    65 and I'd almost bet they were both imaged by Phil

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  • shish
    shish Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-65+

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  • PhilArnold
    PhilArnold Posts: 264 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Swampboy said:
    65 and I'd almost bet they were both imaged by Phil

    Yes

    Phil Arnold
    Director of Photography, GreatCollections
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  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    65

  • golden
    golden Posts: 10,535 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Very nice toner.

  • johnny010
    johnny010 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    5

  • AngryTurtle
    AngryTurtle Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭
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    66 no fbl

  • hummingbird_coins
    hummingbird_coins Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS66

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  • U1chicago
    U1chicago Posts: 6,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Reveal tomorrow

  • MarkInDavis
    MarkInDavis Posts: 1,752 ✭✭✭✭
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    I am with the 65s

    image Respectfully, Mark
  • MrBluster
    MrBluster Posts: 380 ✭✭✭
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    66+

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    65

  • U1chicago
    U1chicago Posts: 6,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2025 6:59PM
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    And the answer is MS 64. It is an older blue holder and I think the grade is a bit conservative. Normally one might see a market grade for the color but I believe this was a technical grade.

    There is a video posted on IG as well:

    https://instagram.com/p/DE0N1dBOtAr/embed/

  • Maywood
    Maywood Posts: 4,384 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    This coin strikes me as a member of a growing number of toned coins which are pretty, but only if held at the proper angle or photographed under just the right light. Absent either of those they appear dark. It is part of the reason why whenever I have been viewing images of a toned coined I step away if I can't see images of it straight on with no "assistance" to help me see color. To my way of thinking, coins such as this are past their prime toning age and in the twilight of their existence, on the way to terminal black/brown. Encapsulation may have prevented that here, or at least slowed the process, but I can't see this coin as anything but a too dark example.

    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin

  • U1chicago
    U1chicago Posts: 6,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Maywood said:
    This coin strikes me as a member of a growing number of toned coins which are pretty, but only if held at the proper angle or photographed under just the right light. Absent either of those they appear dark. It is part of the reason why whenever I have been viewing images of a toned coined I step away if I can't see images of it straight on with no "assistance" to help me see color. To my way of thinking, coins such as this are past their prime toning age and in the twilight of their existence, on the way to terminal black/brown. Encapsulation may have prevented that here, or at least slowed the process, but I can't see this coin as anything but a too dark example.

    It’s not too dark nor does it need assistance to see the color. Under normal viewing conditions all the colors pop. It’s up there among the best Franklins I’ve had.

  • Maywood
    Maywood Posts: 4,384 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That isn't verified by any of the images posted to this thread, they all make the coin look different. In order of progression there is the PCGS TrueView, the GC image and your in-holder image. The first two were taken by the same photographer and it appears from the images that he used more light for the 2nd image, it is considerably brighter. The in-holder image is quite dark and shows scant color, though it looks like it's there if the lighting angle was different.

    I'm glad you're happy with it. I'm only sharing my perception and criteria for how I judge toned coins. Far too many of those I see offered for sale today as spectacular with intense lighting are only that way if viewed at the proper angle with intense light.

    I'll take you at your word that this Franklin is one of those.

    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin

  • braddick
    braddick Posts: 25,183 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I think I am going to kind of slow down or stop playing these GTGs.
    Lately it has only lead to a bit of personal embarrassment.

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 22, 2025 9:40AM
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    @braddick said:
    I think I am going to kind of slow down or stop playing these GTGs.
    Lately it has only lead to a bit of personal embarrassment.

    Pat, there’s no good reason to be embarrassed. All we can do is go by the pictures presented. And since pictures don’t allow us to tilt and rotate coins under a light, there’s plenty of opportunity to guess “wrong” or even way “wrong”.

    In this case, I probably would have guessed MS66. And if someone had guessed “correctly” at MS64, I would have thought that was silly.😉

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • U1chicago
    U1chicago Posts: 6,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @braddick said:
    I think I am going to kind of slow down or stop playing these GTGs.
    Lately it has only lead to a bit of personal embarrassment.

    I would not call your guess embarrassing at all. I would have said 66 if guessing myself and mentioned already that the coin looks like it could have been in a higher graded holder. I actually compared it with a 67 and liked this one better (the 67 was properly graded but this one stood up nicely, especially with the eye appeal). So please keep guessing and don’t worry about being “off” as it happens to all of us. Plus this is just for fun anyways.

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