Proof 58 Coin Upgrade Question
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I own a PR58 coin currently in a registry set. Would PCGS be able to upgrade this to a PR58+ the way they could with an AU58? I am unable to find any proof plus coins that are not MS60 or above anywhere in the population reports. Thank you.
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I suppose they could, but something tells me it’d be highly unlikely.
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I don't see why not. PCGS states that 45-68 are eligible, and include both MS and PR (see the bottom here: https://www.pcgs.com/grades). With that said, a few things to consider:
AU58+ is not a particularly common grade, at least among the plus coins that I see
PR58 (or any PR below 60) is not a common grade
Plus grades haven't been around for a super long time all told, so you'd need either a new submission or a regrade of an already tough numeric grade, and on top of that it has to be right at the top to get a plus.
AU58+ makes more sense than PR58+ in most scenarios. You can have a gem mint state coin, but the slightest rub and it's a 58. It's easy to see one of them as a 58+. Coins in the lower 60s have usually accumulated more chatter, reduced lustre, or have weaker strikes. Proofs, however, more often have their grades lowered (within the 60s) because of hairlines in the field, and with the mirror finish's propensity to take on hairlines, a gem with a minor rub will likely get some hairlines, as well, which could take the coin out of the "gem with a rub" camp. And once that happens, it's likely just a 58, not a 58+.
Would it bug you if they upgraded to PR62?
I suppose dropping it to 55 is not on the table...
Photo?
Like others have recently reported, the PCGS website is loading slowly. So, my search for PR-58+ examples was 'impeded/limited'.
That said, I was able to locate a couple of examples:
~ PCGS Cert #42963115;
~ and PCGS coin #9119.
I have no idea how 'likely/common' it is, but it appears that PR-58+ coins do exist.
Thanks, everyone - really helpful. The coin is in an Everyman set so I would send it in
"Plus Only." Would not want to see it go to a PR62. The image was taken by Todd Pollock, BluCC Photos.
I would leave that one alone.
It's hard to get a + but super cool if you can get one. It's just time and money to try.
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I don't see that getting a plus. I would expect a PF58+ to be a super coin that barely has rub, not one that clearly circulated.
I think a 58+ would also require exceptional luster.
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Nice enough coin for the type… but this seems to be a two part question with a subjective component. I suspect PR58+ is a grade possibility and there simply might not be any graded yet at that grade level. The subjective component is whether your coin will grade PR58+ and I don’t have an answer for that… I don’t know.
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I love double-stickered coins. While most collectors believe that coins having both stickers is redundant, it’s NOT.
John Albanese and Rick Snow each place different “weights” on the various factors. As such, there are CAC stickered coins that Rick won’t Photo Seal, and there are Photo Sealed coins that JA won’t sticker. Having a Flying Eagle or Indian Head cent with both stickers is having the best of both worlds!
JA and Rick Snow have tremendous respect for each other. CAC stickering in New Jersey has a policy to remove other stickers on a holder that they are stickering, but they will always leave Rick Snow’s Eagle Eye Photo Seal on the holder if it’s there!
Steve
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
If you can get the 58+ with bonus points you would get your #1 back for the everyman's set. Be careful on the timing, when you submit for reconsideration, they remove the cert from the database. Is it July they decide set leaders for the 2025 year?
Would leave it alone. Don’t see it as MS, would not want lose stickers. If trying for plus specify on subm form minimum grade.
The registry doesn't matter any more. It's too broken and outdated and PCGS isn't maintaining it (at an appropriate level) any more.
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I have about 6 or so Indians that have both and none that have only one. Mine were 100% if it had one it got the other and I submitted all of them.
I would be upset if it got a 60. I would leave it as is.
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
Thanks for all your comments - very helpful. If I send it in it will go as a Plus Only. That avoids a 60 or 62.