Toned Saint like I have never seen

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Texas77
Texas77 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 28, 2025 6:38PM in U.S. Coin Forum

This surely is due to a foreign substance, right! Surprised to see a non details grade NGC 63, What could of caused this?"

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  • Barberian
    Barberian Posts: 4,643 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I have a coin with a similar, though smaller planchet spot above the ear. Mine looks more like a thin piece of metal stuck to the coin, whereas yours looks more like a stain. PCGS surprised me and straight graded my coin at XF45.


  • Texas77
    Texas77 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 28, 2025 6:53PM
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    @Barberian said:
    I have a coin with a similar, though smaller planchet spot above the ear. Mine looks more like a thin piece of metal stuck to the coin, whereas yours looks more like a stain. PCGS surprised me and straight graded my coin at XF45.


    Sure looks like the Saint has a stain to me.

  • Cougar1978
    Cougar1978 Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 31, 2025 5:50PM
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    Toned? It’s ruined!

    The green looks like model paint to me. How it got there…,,it’s totally ruined

    It would have to happened after slabbing. Perhaps dipped b4 sent in but not properly rinsed after being dipped. Run.

    If owner try liquidate it (melt?) take your loss and move on.

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  • MrScience
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    edited January 28, 2025 6:55PM
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    PVC growth? Soylent green?

  • Texas77
    Texas77 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Cougar1978 said:
    The green looks like model paint to me. How it got there…,,it’s totally ruined

    I would have to think something that happened after slabbing. Perhaps dipped b4 sent in but not properly rinsed after being dipped. Run.

    Had to happen before grading

  • Cougar1978
    Cougar1978 Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 30, 2025 2:09PM
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    Cause may have happened b4 grading but would wager result after. Either way who’s going to buy it? I guess it could get melt? Its totally ruined - what a shame. PVC growth over decades? Better move them quick b4 they go bad in the holder. The 1927 $20 is ruined no amount of hype can get around that.

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  • Texas77
    Texas77 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @MrScience said:
    PVC growth? Soylent green?

    You might be on to something!

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  • relicsncoins
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    Even though it's in an old holder, you might as well crack it and give it soak in acetone at this point.

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  • Texas77
    Texas77 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @ianrussell Just bringing this to your attention. This coin is described as "Toned' on your site. Maybe it is, but I sure doubt it. Looks like some type of foreign substance stained it. I believe most of the folks who posted to this thread agree.
    Thanks

  • Smudge
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    Looks blue to me. Unfortunate.

  • P0CKETCHANGE
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    @PerryHall said:
    The graders at PCGS examined the coin raw in-hand so I'll trust their good judgement.

    Going by the slab, I do not believe graders at PCGS examined this coin at all, but I agree they generally have good judgement.

  • Downtown1974
    Downtown1974 Posts: 7,189 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Yes, that is unfortunate. It’s a bullion piece. The distracting spot would cancel out any premium I would have paid for the cool fatty holder.

  • davewesen
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    with the funny edges, I wonder if it is a struck through piece of paper or plastic embedded into the coin.

  • MFeld
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    My guess is that the coin was treated, but not properly neutralized prior to slabbing and that it reacted afterwards.

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  • jacrispies
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    It looks like toning, albeit very unusual. With all of the elements out there in this world, I am sure it is possible for this coin to naturally acquire that type of blue. Looks similar to the characteristics of a carbon spot, with the center containing a material that slowly spreads and colors the coin. You can see the nucleus directly under Miss Liberty's elbow with several colored rings surrounding it, demonstrating the stages of expansion.

    @HillbillyCollector said:
    PVC growth on a gold coin?
    Hadn’t heard of that before.

    Trust me... gold can be drenched in PVC :s

    Gold coins that have been contained in PVC auction flips since the 70s-80s need a lot of acetone soaking.

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  • Walkerguy21D
    Walkerguy21D Posts: 12,166 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Didn’t someone post a high grade walker a couple weeks ago with a similar blue spot on it?

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  • Glen2022
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    Maybe it's dried blood.

  • JBK
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    @davewesen said:
    with the funny edges, I wonder if it is a struck through piece of paper or plastic embedded into the coin.

    Struck through plastic in 1927? :*

    My guess might have been a copper spot turned green/blue.

  • nencoin
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    A grader explained to me some time ago that the 10% copper used in these coins wasn't always necessarily pure copper, and that it could contain silver. Depending on how the gold and copper alloys are mixed, it is possible for some amount of the silver to be present at the surface and could then react to the environment. I'm not sure that would explain the rather large splotch of color on the Saint being discussed here, but it can explain colors other than copper to be present on some gold coins.

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  • Cougar1978
    Cougar1978 Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 31, 2025 5:59PM
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    Shop it around the bourse at a show. How much behind melt do u think they may discount offer?

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  • johnny9434
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    @relicsncoins said:
    Even though it's in an old holder, you might as well crack it and give it soak in acetone at this point.

    @relicsncoins said:
    Even though it's in an old holder, you might as well crack it and give it soak in acetone at this point.

    Resubmit, it's gotta look better then that, your coin 🙂

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