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1983 D CENT, RPM? UNLISTED?

Hi everyone, not sure if I ever shown this coin for review, but I'm curious what the experts might think



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  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,242 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice close up pic but it's just MD. Worth a cent.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,470 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Machine doubling, value - one cent 👌

  • yspsalesyspsales Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ebay, a magnifying glass, and the Cherry Pickers Guide are your friends...

    The hard work is done for us.

    Use the guide to look for known varieties via pick up points

    This approach is a YUGE waste of time.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 15,148 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @4Redisin said:

    @IkesT said:
    Very clear machine doubling. Not an RPM.

    You posted the same coin over a year ago:

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1090552/1983-d-cent-unlisted-rpm-and-machine-doubling-or-just-machine-doubling#latest

    No point in looking for any more RPMs or doubled dies until you learn what machine doubling is and how to recognize it.

    I just saw his earlier post below this one. He was asked to post it again in a year so please go easy on us inexperienced members like @Ringgy and me. I see something I cannot explain also. Nevertheless, if this were an RPM, more should have been found since then.

    I believe that the post you referenced was posted (in jest) after this thread was started.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @4Redisin said:
    I see the zinc pulled away and I see the machine doubling on the date and mint mark. What caused the two levels on the vertical part of the Mint mark that show no shift and the thin line of raised medal under the mint mark? Please don't think I am trolling the experts, I'm just asking about what I see.

    You are welcome to say that every mintmark in this time period was punched more than once (*) and therefore this has to be a repunched mintmark even though there is no sign of such.

    (*) I don't know if that's true but you're welcome to say it.

    However without some actual evidence, nobody is going to care.

    None of the features you mention are seen on actual repunched mintmarks. What caused them is irrelevant.

  • jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 26, 2025 8:23PM

    @4Redisin said:

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    1. Where you get the notion that I said EVERY mint mark during this period is punched twice

    >

    1. On a field trip to the Philadelphia Mint, it was explained to me that very often the engraver would make a light tap to register where the mark would be located and then put the tool into the first recess and give the tool a strong blow to set the mark at the correct depth

    Those two statements say the same thing, yet you object to the first and you're happy with the second.

    Would you prefer to describe the result as a "retapped" rather than a "repunched" mintmark? You can use whatever terms you like. You shouldn't be surprised if other people don't know what you're talking about.

    The coin above might indeed be struck from a die with a repunched (or retapped) mintmark. The point is that there's no evidence on the coin that that happened.

    1. I believe I have seen repunched mint marks on Lincoln cents as this one before on Variety Vista.

    Indeed, more than half of the repunched mintmarks were produced in Denver and feature a D mintmark as this one.

    A specific example (with pictures to compare and contrast) would go a long way to moving this discussion forward.

    Serious question: Why do you care? You should collect whatever you like. The opinions of other people only matter when you try to sell something to other people. At that point, they're going to pay for what they like, not for what you tell them they should like.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,909 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @4Redisin I did not know the answer so I asked James Wiles and he gave me this link, which should answer your question.

    http://varietyvista.com/Watershead Dates.htm

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,909 ✭✭✭✭✭

    BTW, your coin shows machine doubling.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,545 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @4Redisin said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    @4Redisin I did not know the answer so I asked James Wiles and he gave me this link, which should answer your question.

    http://varietyvista.com/Watershead Dates.htm

    Thanks for posting and the research. On of my teachers told us that a truly educated person may not know the answer to a question; but they sure know how to find the answer. WOW! Wonderful info.

    BTW, the coin is not mine and pull-away plating and strike doubling are easily seen. I wish to know what caused the bi-level surface on the upright. That is not a normal "D".

    You saw and understood these issues but didn't feel it helpful to mention that? 🙄

    I wonder how many people who were willing to try to help opened the thread and immediately saw some of the obvious things that most new posters incorrectly think is an error.

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