@PeakRarities said:
Bump....anyone with any updated info about this outfit, or anyone who has had issues buying from KDC, please send me a message.
and something i see reading this for the first time, the other question is if there are still no coins, did they ever hit the card?
The card I had given them expired by the time they graded the coins. They requested an updated card, I refused, and sent a check instead. They shipped the coins back to me about 3 or 4 months ago and they have still never cashed the check.
I sent coins to SEGS 2 years ago. Have not got them back. Called them, called the BBB, called the police, called the Federal trade commission, called lawyers and nothing. It's not a civil matter, I found it could be embezzlement. Anyone have any suggestions?
@Amatthewg7 said:
I sent coins to SEGS 2 years ago. Have not got them back. Called them, called the BBB, called the police, called the Federal trade commission, called lawyers and nothing. It's not a civil matter, I found it could be embezzlement. Anyone have any suggestions?
You could always go camp out at the UPS store in N.J. and wait for them to come pick up coins from their UPS box.
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@Amatthewg7 said:
I sent coins to SEGS 2 years ago. Have not got them back. Called them, called the BBB, called the police, called the Federal trade commission, called lawyers and nothing. It's not a civil matter, I found it could be embezzlement. Anyone have any suggestions?
Send me a PM with details, I have their address and the home address of the brother in Voorhees. My family has some law enforcement connections in NJ, might be able to help.
@Amatthewg7 said:
I sent coins to SEGS 2 years ago. Have not got them back. Called them, called the BBB, called the police, called the Federal trade commission, called lawyers and nothing. It's not a civil matter, I found it could be embezzlement. Anyone have any suggestions?
You say it's not a civil matter. Isn't that the same as a small claims? Or does dollar value determine that?
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@OAKSTAR said:
You could always go camp out at the UPS store in N.J. and wait for them to come pick up coins from their UPS box.
@PeakRarities said:
Send me a PM with details, I have their address and the home address of the brother in Voorhees. My family has some law enforcement connections in NJ, might be able to help.
I’m very local to their UPS Box and Voorhees, NJ. If I can be of assistance, let me know….
@Amatthewg7 said:
I sent coins to SEGS 2 years ago. Have not got them back. Called them, called the BBB, called the police, called the Federal trade commission, called lawyers and nothing. It's not a civil matter, I found it could be embezzlement. Anyone have any suggestions?
If you can find a friend or relative who’s a practicing attorney, I’d see if they’d write a brief demand letter and warning to be sent by certified mail.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Are we certain that Lary Briggs is even still alive?
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
About 16 months ago, my coins sat at that UPS store for almost a month before someone from SEGS picked them up! I called that UPS store and spoke with the store manager. He couldn't give out any business information about SEGS but he did say the box is still active and my box (I gave him the tracking number) arrive and was still there waiting for pickup. He also said there were a bunch of other boxes and mail there piling up waiting for pickup.
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@PerryHall said:
Are we certain that Lary Briggs is even still alive?
I don't think he's involved with SEGS anymore. If he's still alive, I'm sure the word has gotten back to him by now that the SEGS company today is a mess!
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
@PerryHall said:
Are we certain that Lary Briggs is even still alive?
I don't think he's involved with SEGS anymore. If he's still alive, I'm sure the word has gotten back to him by now that the SEGS company today is a mess!
He was set up at Winter FUN, and a dealer friend last month mentioned he was meeting Larry in Nashville (?), to do some wholesale business.
Larry sold SEGS right around covid, the current outfit appears to be a front to give dubious grades to problem inventory auctioned off by "Key Date Coins". Current owner of KDC and his wife did fed time after pleading guilty to mortgage fraud, racketeering, wire fraud etc.
@PeakRarities said:
Larry sold SEGS right around covid, the current outfit appears to be a front to give dubious grades to problem inventory auctioned off by "Key Date Coins". Current owner of KDC and his wife did fed time after pleading guilty to mortgage fraud, racketeering, wire fraud etc.
@PerryHall said:
Are we certain that Lary Briggs is even still alive?
He is, but he has nothing to do with SEGS anymore and hasn't for a couple years. I chatted with him at Central States and if I recall correctly, he mentioned sending them cease and desist letters regarding contacting him.
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Well, this could be a problem!! I screen shot this from CoinTalk
https://www.cointalk.com/threads/coin-fraud-“key-date-coins”.395207/
https://www.upi.com/Business_News/2...-jail-time-for-mortgage-fraud/59951256660440/ (Cited from: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/coin-fraud-“key-date-coins”.395207/)
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See.. this is the “guy” in jersey running the auction I mentioned
BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
Bump....anyone with any updated info about this outfit, or anyone who has had issues buying from KDC, please send me a message.
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Another Festivus Miracle !!
and something i see reading this for the first time, the other question is if there are still no coins, did they ever hit the card?
The card I had given them expired by the time they graded the coins. They requested an updated card, I refused, and sent a check instead. They shipped the coins back to me about 3 or 4 months ago and they have still never cashed the check.
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What a MESS!!
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I sent coins to SEGS 2 years ago. Have not got them back. Called them, called the BBB, called the police, called the Federal trade commission, called lawyers and nothing. It's not a civil matter, I found it could be embezzlement. Anyone have any suggestions?
You could always go camp out at the UPS store in N.J. and wait for them to come pick up coins from their UPS box.
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
Send me a PM with details, I have their address and the home address of the brother in Voorhees. My family has some law enforcement connections in NJ, might be able to help.
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You say it's not a civil matter. Isn't that the same as a small claims? Or does dollar value determine that?
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
I’m very local to their UPS Box and Voorhees, NJ. If I can be of assistance, let me know….
If you can find a friend or relative who’s a practicing attorney, I’d see if they’d write a brief demand letter and warning to be sent by certified mail.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Are we certain that Lary Briggs is even still alive?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
About 16 months ago, my coins sat at that UPS store for almost a month before someone from SEGS picked them up! I called that UPS store and spoke with the store manager. He couldn't give out any business information about SEGS but he did say the box is still active and my box (I gave him the tracking number) arrive and was still there waiting for pickup. He also said there were a bunch of other boxes and mail there piling up waiting for pickup.
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
I don't think he's involved with SEGS anymore. If he's still alive, I'm sure the word has gotten back to him by now that the SEGS company today is a mess!
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
Very sad and unnecessary. As any legal professional will tell you the worst thing is not to respond to inquiries when there is a pending case.
Do a NJ business search...
SEGS 2021 LLC is registered to the same individual as Key Date Coins
You owe me a half dollar - NJ charges for copies, 10c/page.
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He was set up at Winter FUN, and a dealer friend last month mentioned he was meeting Larry in Nashville (?), to do some wholesale business.
Larry sold SEGS right around covid, the current outfit appears to be a front to give dubious grades to problem inventory auctioned off by "Key Date Coins". Current owner of KDC and his wife did fed time after pleading guilty to mortgage fraud, racketeering, wire fraud etc.
https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2009/10/27/couple-headed-to-prison-for-mortgage-fraud/
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Man, if that doesn't make you run away!!!
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He is, but he has nothing to do with SEGS anymore and hasn't for a couple years. I chatted with him at Central States and if I recall correctly, he mentioned sending them cease and desist letters regarding contacting him.
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