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Decently Made Fake 1921 Peace Dollars - Ebay

FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,463 ✭✭✭✭✭

Been a while since I've seen some this good.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/205216128493

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  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 6,126 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hello xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
    Thanks again for reporting the listing(s) you found.

    What happened:
    We looked into your report and didn’t find the listing to be in violation of our policy. This determination was made by a customer service agent.

    If you reported content that isn’t listed below, we’ll send a separate email once we’ve made a decision.

    Your reference ID:
    2-189xxxxxxxxx

    Here are the listings you reported that are included in this decision:
    Item: 205216128493 1921 Peace Silver Dollar $1 US Silver Coin

    Thank you for being part of the eBay community.
    Thanks,
    eBay

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  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well... if ebay says all is good.....!

    ----- kj
  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,835 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That line around the perimeter on the reverse reminds me of one of those magician coins.

    Mr_Spud

  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,050 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Does Ebay not have any liability if someone reports a coin as fake and they do nothing to prevent its sale? I can understand if the coin does not get reported, but if it does they are facilitating the transfer of counterfeit legal tender.

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  • vplite99vplite99 Posts: 1,315 ✭✭✭✭✭

    But 100% feedback!

    Vplite99
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,159 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 12, 2025 1:27PM

    @relicsncoins said:
    Does Ebay not have any liability if someone reports a coin as fake and they do nothing to prevent its sale? I can understand if the coin does not get reported, but if it does they are facilitating the transfer of counterfeit legal tender.

    When eBay starts pulling listings based on random people making reports, I'm going to rebel. If you’re not a licensed coin authenticator, why should eBay take your word for it?

    I suppose you also want to sue every newspaper that ever allowed an ad for a car that turned out to be a lemon.

    I think we can also get the post office shut down for every fake coin they ever delivered. Maybe we should let them open every package to check for counterfeits. Or there could be a special higher rate for shipping coins to pay for the inspection.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,598 ✭✭✭✭✭

    start naming pcgs graders who have a license

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,598 ✭✭✭✭✭

    keep reporting people!

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,159 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:
    start naming pcgs graders who have a license

    Exactly the point. How would eBay know who to believe?

    And if you make the venue liable, say goodbye to the BST, IG, FB and coin club auctions.

    It's a problem but without the easy solutions people think exist.

    If eBay starts pulling auctions based on every report, the people knowingly seeking fakes can just post pictures of real coins and ship fakes. You are left going after eBay because there is no way for anyone to go after a Turkish seller shipping out of Kazakhstan using a billing address in China.

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 6,126 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oh well only 3 remaining. LOL SMH!

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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,687 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That same reverse die has been around for a while. It has a very fat (spread out) "O" of ONE. Also the rays below ONE are unusually wide.

  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,463 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:
    That same reverse die has been around for a while. It has a very fat (spread out) "O" of ONE. Also the rays below ONE are unusually wide.

    It’s also just straight up missing some rays.

    Coin Photographer.

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,361 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FlyingAl said:

    @dcarr said:
    That same reverse die has been around for a while. It has a very fat (spread out) "O" of ONE. Also the rays below ONE are unusually wide.

    It’s also just straight up missing some rays.

    You don't feel it could be an undiscovered reverse of '22 variety ?

  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,463 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:

    @FlyingAl said:

    @dcarr said:
    That same reverse die has been around for a while. It has a very fat (spread out) "O" of ONE. Also the rays below ONE are unusually wide.

    It’s also just straight up missing some rays.

    You don't feel it could be an undiscovered reverse of '22 variety ?

    No.

    Coin Photographer.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,598 ✭✭✭✭✭

    We looked everywhere

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,598 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tango Down!

    feel good people

    if we get together, we can do it

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  • goldengolden Posts: 9,804 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I reported it also. I guess if they received enough reports, they will take it down.

  • air4mdcair4mdc Posts: 932 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Much appreciation for posting these photos of a CF. Not only for CF awareness, but for viewing a photo of a real CF. Keep these fake Peace dollars coming, especially the TPG’s. Hopefully viewing these fakes will help educate us and keep us from buying a CF. I think this one is a poor CF, most specifically, the reverse. I agree with @Mr_Spud on the reverse.The coin appears to be a magician’s coin. Flip her over and upon closer examination she is surely a fake. No loupe requited!

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't want you to think I'm hijacking @FlyingAl thread. I got his permission first.

    With the exception of the lines around the perimeter of the rim, (as a magician’s coin) the dollar posted by the OP reminds me of this one I have. Both coins look very similar to me.

    I'm not an expert but at first glance, it sure could fool someone. After comparing it to several other real peace dollars I have, the date and obverse rays all look noticeably bolder. The reeded edge looks just about perfect. The coin is a little bit lighter, 20 grams. The coin isn't metal. A magnet will "not" stick to it. It looks like it might be a cast coin. I think those are casting bubbles and chips.

    Other then that, it sure looks, sound and feels like a real Peace Dollar.

    In your opinions, do you think this is an intended counterfeit or some kind of gift shop souvenir coin? Also, what do you think it's made of?

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,598 ✭✭✭✭✭

    doesn't look like a magician's coin

    i don't see a well defined line and they thump more than ring

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 17, 2025 7:07PM

    @MsMorrisine said:
    doesn't look like a magician's coin

    i don't see a well defined line and they thump more than ring

    It's a ring, not a thump. It's not hollow, it's solid. It sure feels real but only 20grams.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

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