Any Information on SEGS grading? - Looking For Larry Briggs!

InGodWeTrustCoins · December 13, 2024 10:52AM

I submitted two corroded 1909 S VDBs to SEGS back in August and have not heard anything back from them. I have emailed and called multiple times without getting ahold of anyone. Does anyone have any advice on how I can reach them?

lermish · December 13, 2024 11:11AM

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/13839072

U1chicago · December 13, 2024 11:57AM

@OAKSTAR this might be the answer to your thread about wanting to submit.

OAKSTAR · December 13, 2024 1:11PM

@U1chicago said:
@OAKSTAR this might be the answer to your thread about wanting to submit.

Thanks for tagging me on this @U1chicago. Yes, it's an answer. Not a good answer... but it's an answer.

@InGodWeTrustCoins - Can you give us an exact step by step of what you did? How did you find out about about SEGS? What research did you do before submitting? Have you ever submitted to them before? Where exactly did you mail it to? How did you mail it?.. with tracking? Were the coins received? Did you send a check with it? Was the check cashed?

InGodWeTrustCoins · December 13, 2024 1:37PM

@OAKSTAR I have known about SEGS for many years, they seemed to be somewhat prominent in the industry a long time ago so I did not think anything like this would happen when I sent them coins. This is my first submission to them. I mailed the coins to the address on the top of their submission forms. The tracking number shows the package was delivered back in August. I left them my credit card number on the submission form.

jmlanzaf · December 13, 2024 2:02PM

@InGodWeTrustCoins said:
@OAKSTAR I have known about SEGS for many years, they seemed to be somewhat prominent in the industry a long time ago so I did not think anything like this would happen when I sent them coins. This is my first submission to them. I mailed the coins to the address on the top of their submission forms. The tracking number shows the package was delivered back in August. I left them my credit card number on the submission form.

We're not sure they are even in business, are we?

coastaljerseyguy · December 13, 2024 2:04PM

Reverse the CC charge, you'll find out what happened pretty quickly.

InGodWeTrustCoins · December 13, 2024 2:07PM

They have not charged the card. I am more worried about the missing 1909-S VDBs.

@jmlanzaf No, I am not sure they are in business but I would think they would remove their website.

coastaljerseyguy · December 13, 2024 2:09PM

Good luck, hope you get your coin returned.

OAKSTAR · December 13, 2024 2:38PM

@InGodWeTrustCoins said:
@OAKSTAR I have known about SEGS for many years, they seemed to be somewhat prominent in the industry a long time ago so I did not think anything like this would happen when I sent them coins. This is my first submission to them. I mailed the coins to the address on the top of their submission forms. The tracking number shows the package was delivered back in August. I left them my credit card number on the submission form.

Have you tried calling the UPS store and seeing if your package was picked up by SEGS? Apparently, their PO box is still active.

jmlanzaf · December 13, 2024 2:40PM

@InGodWeTrustCoins said:
They have not charged the card. I am more worried about the missing 1909-S VDBs.

@jmlanzaf No, I am not sure they are in business but I would think they would remove their website.

Not necessarily. As long as their hosting service is paid for, it will remain unless someone takes it down. Your experience as well as @OAKSTAR suggests they are not

OAKSTAR · December 13, 2024 2:48PM

@jmlanzaf said:

@InGodWeTrustCoins said:
They have not charged the card. I am more worried about the missing 1909-S VDBs.

@jmlanzaf No, I am not sure they are in business but I would think they would remove their website.

Not necessarily. As long as their hosting service is paid for, it will remain unless someone takes it down. Your experience as well as @OAKSTAR suggests they are not

And their PO Box? If it's still active, are they still in business?

jmlanzaf · December 13, 2024 4:27PM

@OAKSTAR said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@InGodWeTrustCoins said:
They have not charged the card. I am more worried about the missing 1909-S VDBs.

@jmlanzaf No, I am not sure they are in business but I would think they would remove their website.

Not necessarily. As long as their hosting service is paid for, it will remain unless someone takes it down. Your experience as well as @OAKSTAR suggests they are not

And their PO Box? If it's still active, are they still in business?

Depends on how long it was paid up. Do we know if any mail was collected. You tried to call them, didn't you?

giantsfan20 · December 13, 2024 5:03PM

Why did you choose SEGS instead of other companies?

JBK · December 13, 2024 5:13PM

@OAKSTAR said:

@InGodWeTrustCoins said:
@OAKSTAR I have known about SEGS for many years, they seemed to be somewhat prominent in the industry a long time ago so I did not think anything like this would happen when I sent them coins. This is my first submission to them. I mailed the coins to the address on the top of their submission forms. The tracking number shows the package was delivered back in August. I left them my credit card number on the submission form.

Have you tried calling the UPS store and seeing if your package was picked up by SEGS? Apparently, their PO box is still active.

To clarify, if it's located in a UPS store it's not really a PO Box, and I assume the "receipt" was the package being delivered to the UPS store, not the PMB (Private Mail Box) holder.

I guess a call to the UPS store might possibly help clarify if they are still picking up their mail.

OAKSTAR · December 13, 2024 5:48PM

@jmlanzaf said:

@OAKSTAR said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@InGodWeTrustCoins said:
They have not charged the card. I am more worried about the missing 1909-S VDBs.

@jmlanzaf No, I am not sure they are in business but I would think they would remove their website.

Not necessarily. As long as their hosting service is paid for, it will remain unless someone takes it down. Your experience as well as @OAKSTAR suggests they are not

And their PO Box? If it's still active, are they still in business?

Depends on how long it was paid up. Do we know if any mail was collected. You tried to call them, didn't you?

Yes, I got the UPS store clerk to tell me the SEGS mail has been picked up.

OAKSTAR · December 13, 2024 5:54PM

@giantsfan20 said:
Why did you choose SEGS instead of other companies?

I'm attempting to get a specific coin graded/slabbed by a number of different TPG'ers. Buy the slab, not the coin. 🤣 😂

OAKSTAR · December 13, 2024 5:57PM

@JBK said:

@OAKSTAR said:

@InGodWeTrustCoins said:
@OAKSTAR I have known about SEGS for many years, they seemed to be somewhat prominent in the industry a long time ago so I did not think anything like this would happen when I sent them coins. This is my first submission to them. I mailed the coins to the address on the top of their submission forms. The tracking number shows the package was delivered back in August. I left them my credit card number on the submission form.

Have you tried calling the UPS store and seeing if your package was picked up by SEGS? Apparently, their PO box is still active.

To clarify, if it's located in a UPS store it's not really a PO Box, and I assume the "receipt" was the package being delivered to the UPS store, not the PMB (Private Mail Box) holder.

I guess a call to the UPS store might possibly help clarify if they are still picking up their mail.

True. It's not a Post Office Box. I guess it would be called a UPS store box. Yes, the receipt was the package being delivered to the UPS store, not SEGS.

jmlanzaf · December 13, 2024 6:31PM

@OAKSTAR said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@OAKSTAR said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@InGodWeTrustCoins said:
They have not charged the card. I am more worried about the missing 1909-S VDBs.

@jmlanzaf No, I am not sure they are in business but I would think they would remove their website.

Not necessarily. As long as their hosting service is paid for, it will remain unless someone takes it down. Your experience as well as @OAKSTAR suggests they are not

And their PO Box? If it's still active, are they still in business?

Depends on how long it was paid up. Do we know if any mail was collected. You tried to call them, didn't you?

Yes, I got the UPS store clerk to tell me the SEGS mail has been picked up.

Hmmm... but then why don't they answer the phone? And why didn't they charge the CC of the OP? It does seem like they aren't open for business. Although i don't know anything other than what has been in these threads.

OAKSTAR · December 13, 2024 6:50PM

@jmlanzaf said:

@OAKSTAR said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@OAKSTAR said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@InGodWeTrustCoins said:
They have not charged the card. I am more worried about the missing 1909-S VDBs.

@jmlanzaf No, I am not sure they are in business but I would think they would remove their website.

Not necessarily. As long as their hosting service is paid for, it will remain unless someone takes it down. Your experience as well as @OAKSTAR suggests they are not

And their PO Box? If it's still active, are they still in business?

Depends on how long it was paid up. Do we know if any mail was collected. You tried to call them, didn't you?

Yes, I got the UPS store clerk to tell me the SEGS mail has been picked up.

Hmmm... but then why don't they answer the phone? And why didn't they charge the CC of the OP? It does seem like they aren't open for business. Although i don't know anything other than what has been in these threads.

You always get an answering machine when you call SEGS....and never get a return call from them after you leave a message. I don't know why they didn't charge the OP's credit card. Maybe by charging the card, would leave a negative legal trail for SEGS. Just take the coins a call it a day!.. I don't know.

InGodWeTrustCoins · December 13, 2024 7:11PM

@giantsfan20 said:
Why did you choose SEGS instead of other companies?

ANACS would not certify the coins because of how corroded they are. I just needed them in a holder.

OAKSTAR · December 13, 2024 7:13PM

@InGodWeTrustCoins - So what's your next move?

RobertScotLover · December 13, 2024 7:53PM

What is the value of 2 corroded 1090 s vdb cents

InGodWeTrustCoins · December 13, 2024 8:53PM

@RobertScotLover said:
What is the value of 2 corroded 1090 s vdb cents

Not too much, I probably paid around $1000 for the pair.

@OAKSTAR said:
@InGodWeTrustCoins - So what's your next move?

I will try to track down Larry Briggs at the FUN show. I believe he is still the owner of SEGS.

giantsfan20 · December 13, 2024 9:08PM

Do you have pictures of thecoins you can post? Interested as sure others are as well to see a rare coin in poor condition .

abbyme24 · December 13, 2024 9:58PM

My understanding is that SEGS was sold a few years ago and now solely "grades" coins for Key Date Coins. Key Date Coins auctions let's say generously graded coins almost entirely in SEGS holders. The buyer of SEGS just so happens to be the brother of the guy that owns Key Date Coins. There is currently a lawsuit against them alleging false advertising and this conflict of interest. I'll see if I can find the docs again, it was several months ago that I was looking into this.

abbyme24 · December 13, 2024 10:02PM

The forum won't let me post the link in full so here it is with a couple spaces:

https:// trellis.law /doc/204074650/complaint-with-jury-demand-for-cam-l-000531-24-submitted-by-flynn-alex-a-flynn-associates-llc-on-behalf-joseph-mangerchine-against-key-date-coins-inc-corey-brower-sandi-brower-segs-2021-inc-matthew-brower-et-al

braddick · December 13, 2024 10:14PM

https://trellis.law/case/34007/caml000531-24/mangerchine-joseph-vs-key-date-coins-inc

OAKSTAR · December 14, 2024 11:20AM

I don't know what to believe. I'm doing multiple on-line searches and all kinds of crap is coming up!

PeakRarities · December 14, 2024 11:25AM

"When you see "SEGS coin grading", it essentially means a coin has been graded by CAC, which acquired SEGS grading service."

Oh, Does it now?

What a great way to bring in the new year, its a chirstmas miracle!

OAKSTAR · December 14, 2024 11:53AM

@PeakRarities said:
"When you see "SEGS coin grading", it essentially means a coin has been graded by CAC, which acquired SEGS grading service."

Oh, Does it now?

What a great way to bring in the new year, its a chirstmas miracle!

I'm still lost. ☹️ 😔

yspsales · December 14, 2024 12:09PM

Tuition paid.

Hopefully others will learn from this sad story

coastaljerseyguy · December 14, 2024 12:55PM

Just a long shot, but you should review EBAY coins for sale to see if your coins pop up for sale. Although a key date, and some time has passed, the price might deter a quick turnover if someone did try and rip you off. Again good luck.

OAKSTAR · December 14, 2024 12:57PM

@yspsales said:
Tuition paid.

Hopefully others will learn from this sad story

This story isn't over yet.

BStrauss3 · December 14, 2024 2:03PM

When you search, add -ai at the end to suppress the AI generated garbage
SEGS 2021, Inc. is a New Jersey company, entity id 0450584360 - if somebody wanted to order a copy of the documents, it's under $7.
The rest of the filings on Trellis are behind a paywall
NJ court filings are free with an account, use the # you see on Trellis...

OAKSTAR · December 14, 2024 3:06PM

Now we're getting somewhere! That's some great stuff @BStrauss3! Thanks very much!! Now we gotta track down Larry Briggs!

BStrauss3 · December 15, 2024 4:46AM

As I posted before, you can have a fun half-hour with The Wayback Machine, https://web.archive.org/web/20000501000000*/segsgrading.com

Sovereign Entities Grading Service, Inc., -> SEGS, Inc. -> (2007) SEGS, LLC -> SEGS 2021

Here is one of the transitions:
https://web.archive.org/web/20071219121923/http://www.segsgrading.com:80/
https://web.archive.org/web/20080118223044/http://www.segsgrading.com:80/

SEGS Inc in Tennessee

And in Georgia

And of course there is a 23 page thread over on CT about the 2007 transition.

WinLoseWin · December 15, 2024 5:27AM

@OAKSTAR said:
I don't know what to believe. I'm doing multiple on-line searches and all kinds of crap is coming up!

Proof that AI hallucinates and tells lies.

Looks like AI is becoming human after all.

Maywood · December 15, 2024 5:47AM

Larry Briggs was a regular customer of my boss when I worked in his Cleveland, Ohio area shop. We would see Larry at many of the regional shows and he would come into the store if he was close by to transact business. We even helped him with a "sting operation" at an Akron area show. Last time I recall seeing him was around 2015 and as far as I knew then he still had SEGS up and running. I'd like to think if anything had happened to him or to his business that it would have made the rounds at shows and forums like this. He was a popular guy, well respected and well liked.

Try this contact information:
Larry Briggs Rare Coins
PO Box 187
Lima, Ohio 45802

423-718-1790

jmlanzaf · December 15, 2024 6:03AM

@WinLoseWin said:

@OAKSTAR said:
I don't know what to believe. I'm doing multiple on-line searches and all kinds of crap is coming up!

Proof that AI hallucinates and tells lies.

Looks like AI is becoming human after all.

Query engineering solves some of that. RAGS all but eliminates it.

Pnies20 · December 15, 2024 6:32AM

I talked to Larry yesterday. He doesn’t have any ownership of SEGS. He said it’s some guy in NJ that also owns an auction site.

@habaraca correct me if I heard him wrong.

He also showed me a cool silver and gold pair of castorland medals and a pair of continental dollars he just has laying around lol.

OAKSTAR · December 15, 2024 7:45AM

@Pnies20 said:
I talked to Larry yesterday. He doesn’t have any ownership of SEGS. He said it’s some guy in NJ that also owns an auction site.

Some guy in New Jersey.

InGodWeTrustCoins · December 15, 2024 8:59AM

Very ironic timing, I just received this response to my email I sent them on November 15th:

“Sorry for the slow reply your email went to our spam for some reason

We have your coins and you should be getting them back in the next couple of weeks

Thanks,

SEGS”

Pnies20 · December 15, 2024 9:16AM

@OAKSTAR said:

@Pnies20 said:
I talked to Larry yesterday. He doesn’t have any ownership of SEGS. He said it’s some guy in NJ that also owns an auction site.

Some guy in New Jersey.

Was verbatim what he said lol.

Namvet69 · December 15, 2024 9:51AM

Hey..Howyoodooin?

Colonialcoin · December 15, 2024 10:28AM

@InGodWeTrustCoins said:

@RobertScotLover said:
What is the value of 2 corroded 1090 s vdb cents

Not too much, I probably paid around $1000 for the pair.

@OAKSTAR said:
@InGodWeTrustCoins - So what's your next move?

I will try to track down Larry Briggs at the FUN show. I believe he is still the owner of SEGS.

Why would you spend $1000 on two raw corroded S-vdb’s when you could have bought a certified VF-XF for a tad bit more? It isn’t a rare coin in which you need to settle for low grade corroded examples.

OAKSTAR · December 15, 2024 10:34AM

@InGodWeTrustCoins said:
Very ironic timing, I just received this response to my email I sent them on November 15th:

“Sorry for the slow reply your email went to our spam for some reason

We have your coins and you should be getting them back in the next couple of weeks

Thanks,

SEGS”

Damn!! Well that is certainly great news!! So now we know there is someone on the other end of that e-mail! 👍 Keep us posted.

InGodWeTrustCoins · December 15, 2024 10:35AM

Yes I will keep you posted 👍

yspsales · December 15, 2024 11:33AM

Took them 3 months to find your emails... and the coins and forms did not raise a curiosity to the guy from NJ?

Hope it is just sloppiness.

lermish · December 15, 2024 11:47AM

I guess SEGS is a more reputable grader than USCG.

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1105523/auction-hijinks-auction-house-grading-company-consigner-update

I'm not an attorney but I don't understand how the lawsuit against KDC/SEGS isn't a criminal issue.

OAKSTAR · December 15, 2024 12:39PM

@lermish said:
I guess SEGS is a more reputable grader than USCG.

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1105523/auction-hijinks-auction-house-grading-company-consigner-update

I'm not an attorney but I don't understand how the lawsuit against KDC/SEGS isn't a criminal issue.

Lawyers would be a final option.

Any Information on SEGS grading? - Looking For Larry Briggs!

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