2025 Baseball Hall of Fame - Classic Era Committee
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The eight nominees for the Classic Era (Pre-1980) Committee have just been announced:
https://baseballhall.org/news/classic-baseball-era-committee-candidates-announced-2025
Dick Allen
Ken Boyer
John Donaldson (Negro Leagues)
Steve Garvey
Vic Harris (Negro Leagues)
Tommy John
Dave Parker
Luis Tiant
The Classic Baseball Era Committee will meet on Dec. 8 at baseball’s Winter Meetings in Dallas.
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Since Mussina got in Tommy John should as well.
Missouri 14 OSU 3
Mussina has a pretty solid claim to the hall of fame in my opinion.
270 some wins - pitching during the steroid era. 10+ 200+ inning seasons. His career ERA is probably top 10.
I’m not saying Tommy John shouldn’t be in, but I’ve heard the case many times against Mussina and it just doesn’t make sense unless you can only see 300,3000
If someone wants to use wins for Mussina he had 88 of his wins with an era over 4 and the majority of those were an era of 4.4 or higher including a winning record with an era over 5 because he benefited greatly from being on very good teams
Since Mussina is in what is now the hall of very good, Tommy John should also be in the hall of very good
Missouri 14 OSU 3
ERA on average was well above average in baseball during much of his career. I’m not only looking at his wins. I made other supportive points. I think that I could probably make arguments for 20 worse pitchers in the HoF.
Obviously Tommy John was much better than his record. Had he spent his entire career on the Dodgers for instance.
Dick Allen and Dave Parker.
Luis Tiant too.
Don't all pitchers with winning records benefit from "very good teams"?
Mike Mussina had a career ERA of 3.68, which was 23% better than league average. There are precisely ZERO pitchers with an ERA that much better than league average who pitched as many innings as Mussina who are not also in the HOF.
Tommy John had a career ERA of 3.34, which was only 11% better than league average. He has his own HOF case, but it's different, and not as strong as Mussina's, who was a slam dunk.
And yes, all pitchers won/lost records are determined in large part by the quality of their teams. Which is why "wins" is not an element of any sensible HOF argument.
Dick Allen is long overdue.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Allen stands head and shoulders over everyone else on the ballot, for sure. Of the rest, i don't think any of them deserve it (ignoring the Baines standard), but Boyer, John, and Tiant would bother me the least (all for different reasons).
For sure, some more than others which is why wins shouldnt be used as an argument
Theres a direct comparison with the same season for Mussina and Clemens
2005 Mussina was 13-8 with a 4.41 era. Clemens was 13-8 with a 1.87
Every aspect you did into whether ERA+, innings pitched WHIP etc Clemens was way better but had the same record.
Mussina had some great years and a lot of trash years. He was very good at best and TJ should be in if Mussina is in. The flood gates should be opened for players at this point with the players that have been let in recently
Missouri 14 OSU 3