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Japan 1 yen 1870: With and without border?
Stever70
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Would someone (e.g., user Tokeiski) please explain how to differentiate between the "with border" and "without border" types of 1870 1 yen? Photos would be great. I haven't been able to discern the difference from my copies of the JNDA. Thank you.
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You mean 10 yen?
I do mean 1 yen, 1870, which has types 1-2-3, plus a with/without border variation. Thank you for asking.
if you do a search with your title on chrome - without the Japan, it shows these two on PCGS, it might help.
Thank you, ELuis - The PCGS photos (2 with, 1 without border) still don't show the difference clearly enough that I could identify one as with/without. I encountered the same thing Googling for photos and explanations. I wonder if the difference is something like "raised rim" and "flat rim", but even at that I still haven't seen definitive photos.
I am just guessing since I do not have any of these type of coins.
No border:
With border:
Eluis, very interesting. I hadn't considered that the border could be around the sun, not the rim. I think I see the difference, although it's subtle. Thank you. Steve
I don’t know what PCGS mean by with border or without border but I do know type 1, 2 and type 3. The one on the left is type 1, the one in the middle is type 2, the one on the right is type 3.
jt88, thank you. I know the difference between types 1-2 3, but there is another distinction regarding a "border" that may be the rim of the sun, as suggested by Eluis, if I understood him correctly. The first of the four valuation lines on the JNDA page you posted says "有輪", which translates as "with ring". The second line says "無輪", which translates as "without ring". I'm still hoping that someone can point out and explain the difference exactly, so that I can distinguish between the two types.
The border is referring to the rim around the sun. The no border type 1 is actually scarcer than the type 3.
It is a very subtle difference as @ELuis pointed out in the photos. In person I find it easier when looking at them a bit further away, but I still find it helpful to look at it side by side with a bordered example to confirm.
Excellent, thank you for the confirmation, abbyme24.