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dcarr
dcarr Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭✭
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... to engrave "UNITED" correctly.

This is kind of funny. I think the engraver needed a "Snicker's" bar.

1969 Apollo 11 Moon Landing bronze medals from Lombardo Mint (of Canada).

"UINTED" :

Backwards "N" :

Finally, an apparently normal "UNITED", although upon closer inspection it appears that some correction was done to the die:


I think there is also a normal version of this medal without error or error correction. It may be rarer than the error versions.

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  • Namvet69
    Namvet69 Posts: 9,423 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Someone was comfortably numb 😎

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  • 291fifth
    291fifth Posts: 25,218 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Probably rushed into production in an effort to cash in on the moon landing fever of the time. Apollo 11 medals were hot item in the period just after the landing and many types exist from many different makers.

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  • BStrauss3
    BStrauss3 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    In fairness, as you of all people know, the dies are reversed :smiley:

    I kind of wished they had dyslexed two letters, giving us the

    UNTIED STATES

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  • AngryTurtle
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    @dcarr , what technology would have typically been in use back in those days (Im assuming the medal came out ca. 1969)? Would this have been done completely by hand?

  • World67
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  • CaptHenway
    CaptHenway Posts: 34,164 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That Engraver really cratered out!

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  • sellitstore
    sellitstore Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    ....to deliberately strike "Errors"- not very hard.

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  • SaorAlba
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    Backwards Ns are nothing new. In 1691 Limerick Ireland, which was under siege I can sort of get it. In 1969 not so much.

  • PerryHall
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    The image on the face of the die is the mirror image of what will be on the coin struck from it so it can be easy for the die engraver to make a mistake. Back when printers assembled individual letters in a wooden or metal frame, it was just as easy to get confused. That's when the expression "Watch your p's and q's." came from.

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  • johnny9434
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    ooops, sorry bout that boss :'(

  • BLUEJAYWAY
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    United We Stand, Divided We "Fail" (Fall)

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  • oih82w8
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    @PerryHall I seem to remember that "p's and q's" had something to do with servers keeping track of pints and quarts at drinking establishments. 🤔

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  • dcarr
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    On these different dies, the central elements are all exactly the same, down to the smallest details. So I think the dies were made via a transfer from a plaster model. But the outer text may have been engraved or punched into the dies directly.

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  • JBK
    JBK Posts: 17,860 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @oih82w8 said:
    @PerryHall I seem to remember that "p's and q's" had something to do with servers keeping track of pints and quarts at drinking establishments. 🤔

    True.

    "Mind your pints and quarts" in Britain, so people wouldn't overindulge, as I heard it from a tour guide on a London pub crawl.

    I've never heard the typesetting angle but it seems applicable there, as well.

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