Help on an ICG educational slabbed gold piece?
burfle23
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Owner posted in a Group I am a member of and asked for info on this one. States it is genuine gold, but cropped the slab label info:
I have coins in the counterfeit holder as well- just looking for info on this particular one.
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Saw this on FB - I was considering asking for a full picture of the slab.
It's a counterfeit coin that was made with a gold planchet.
All yellow ICG are counterfeit coins. Even says it on the label faux/fake.
My current registry sets:
20th Century Type Set
Virtual DANSCO 7070
Slabbed IHC set - Missing the Anacs Slabbed coins
They cropped the label for a reason.
If you can read French, German, or Spanish, it says "fake, fake, fake".
@Insider3
What is melt value?
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Same as any other double eagle (0.9675 X spot).
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Gotta love that caution tape type label!
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Nope.
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/category/territorial/california-gold/u-s-assay-office-1852-1853/1725
/a/It doesn't purport to be a double eagle, it purports to be a $20 assay office piece, .900 vis the DE .916
/b/ WIthout seeing the entire label, there's no indication that it's.900 gold - the ".900 thous" is the piece it is pretending to be, not actual tested gold content.
ANA 50+ year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
Author: 3rd Edition of the SampleSlabs book, https://sampleslabs.info/
Since when has a Double Eagle ever been .916 fine? It's always been .900 fine. Perhaps you're confusing it with an AGE which is 22K or .916666,,.. fine
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Yeah, you're right - fallibility of memory.
Still - the educational label means counterfeit and w/o seeing the full label (which may or may not have information about the metallic content), it's not necessarily full weight. Could be old and plated. Could be a contemporary counterfeit made from lower-purity gold. Could be modern and plated.
ANA 50+ year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
Author: 3rd Edition of the SampleSlabs book, https://sampleslabs.info/
Quality counterfeit gold coins meant to deceive collectors almost always meet mint specs for size, weight, and fineness since these characteristics are easy to check in a non-destructive manner. Perhaps @Insider3 who works at ICG can shed some light on this coin.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
that .900 looks like it was just gorilla glued on
The missing label should read 1853 $20 Not Genuine. This guy is using a misleading image to help sell the coin.
Check the Feb 1994 issue of The Numismatist for my Write up on this Counterfeit. John
Ford threatened to sue me and the ANA over it. A Franklin Hoard item circa 1967.
J.P.
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