Let’s play Did it CAC!!!
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Overton and CAC!
I submitted these at FUN and they were shipped in two weeks! 😃 but 3 weeks after that I just received them 😑 that’s a new record for me for registered shipping.
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BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
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It would help a lot, like virtually everything, if the 1811 and 1810 had their grades posted, as well.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
1836 - yes
1810, 1811 & 1823, without grades can’t tell you one way or the other.
@TomB @Herb_T
You’ve got to guess the grade and then guess if it CACed… just like the other thread.
The 36 was an oops
BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
Nope. Without listing grades one cannot tell if a coin was overgraded or undergraded by the TPGs, and that is HUGE problem here.
For example - this coin is very choice, but the coin was overgraded as a VF30 - that happens often with really nice coins - it will not CAC (I've shown it to JA in the CAC board and he asked 'Where's the E?"). This coin will eventually go to CACG for crossing. PCGS actually defended the overgrade (as a choice coin) on this board over 10 years ago in a thread started by someone else who was upset that their coin (F15 55-S) didn't grade as high as this 54-O and a choice for the grade 55-O in VF25.
Here's what I believe is a dipped, retoned coin with a few hairlines but one MUST KNOW the assigned grade to determine if it may sticker. In this case, this PCGS VF35 is pushing EF40 in wear, with smooth rims and surfaces, and amber toning. I wasn't crazy about the look, but I could not pass up a STRONG VF35 for the price ($1100) and regarded CAC as a plus for resale value. After learning how beat up these 52-Os are usually found, I've come to appreciate this coin as being not only strong for the assigned 35 grade, but also choice for the date. As an EF40, it will likely not sticker. One has to know the assigned grade.
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Neither - AT. A friend sent in 20 toners to sticker, none did. At a show his table near me he did move most of them however. Watch those toners lol.
TLDR
We just did this in two other threads and it was fun.
As a matter fact many were very close in this thread.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1100315/another-cbh-guess-the-grade-game-just-because-reveal-in-post-16#latest
BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
It probably was. "Pin the Tail on the Donkey" is fun as well.
You're 0 for 2. Your friend's results have zero bearing on these coins.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Most of those coins look original to me and choice AU, probably 58 or so. I don't think any of them graded over AU58 and then cac could well have given the thumbs up. It's known that PCGS is more likely to grade Bust material, half dollars here and cents conservatively than NGC.
We literally had the same game in pursuitofliberty's thread earlier this week
Everyone who has been complaining about "needing the grades" should go check out the thread linked a few comments above.
Collector of Capped Bust Halves, SLQ's, Commems, and random cool stuff! @davidv_numismatics on Instagram
Even if they were fun, having had similar threads doesn’t necessarily mean that they make a lot of sense. It’s like guessing what grade PCGS or NGC assigned a coin and then opining whether you think the grade was on the money. What’s the point? Anyone can start out with whatever grade they want and then say the grade was accurate, too high or too low.
As just one example, if a coin looks like a 63, among other possibilities, someone could guess 63 no sticker, 63 sticker, 61 gold sticker, 64 (or higher) overgraded and so on.
Bottom line, the first part of the guess (the grade) will largely determine the second guess (sticker or no sticker).
If you care about giving meaning to the thread, provide the grade at the outset and then ask for sticker guesses. Otherwise, proceed and have fun.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
It makes sense to me. The whole point of GTG is to guess the grade, right? So you can also give your best guess on whether it has a sticker, right?
If you don't want to guess your opinion on the grade and CAC sticker, posting a comment complaining about it doesn't solve anything
Collector of Capped Bust Halves, SLQ's, Commems, and random cool stuff! @davidv_numismatics on Instagram
I think proceed and have fun was the whole point and anyone that thinks it “doesn’t make sense” or wonders “what’s the point” doesn’t need to do it.
It’s a game. See if you can guess what PCGS graded the coin and if CAC thought the coin was worthy of a sticker at that grade.
The thread has meaning regardless of whether or not it fits a rigid description of how to proceed with guessing grades. There aren’t standard operating procedures for these things.
BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
I love bust halves and pinning donkey tails!!!!!
1811: AU-53 CAC
1836: AU-55 CAC
1810: AU-55 NO CAC
1823: AU-53 NO CAC
The 1810 and 1823 are a little too bright for my taste, so I guess they didn't CAC. The 1811 and 1836 have a little more crust to them.
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you" Matthew 6:33. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.
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JRCS #1606
Don’t know the series but I’ll play
1) 58 CAC
2) no idea
3) 53
4) 55 CAC
55,50,55,50
This is not a GTG thread. The title of the thread is "Did it CAC." The CAC sticker is a function of a) The assigned grade and b) other visual characteristics or defects. We're missing at least half of the necessary information.
I'm not good at guessing. I like the clash marks on the 1811 half and the toning.
I promise you’ll be ok if you do both.
BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
OK, I'll put it another way: How does one judge if a coin is "solid for the grade" without knowing the grade assigned by the TPG?
Easily - you assign the grade and then decide whether the coin is solid for the grade you assigned.😁
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Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
My personal opinion/preference would be two separate threads:
Thread #1 - GTG
Thread #2 - Did it sticker at the assigned grade?
Tim
Pretty much......
Any more questions?
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you" Matthew 6:33. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.
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JRCS #1606
Everything else aside I love the 1811.
Thank you. It is from the Pittman sale in 1996. One of my favorite coins
BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
I would even go further and mention keep it to one example per thread.
Once I saw 4 pcs, it was over for me at least.
But maybe that's just me
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BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
Agree. This is silly.
Why not have the following:
“Guess the result of the auction - did I bid, did I win and at what price?”
“Guess the result of the coin show - did I go, did I see anything I needed, did I buy it, and how much was a hot dog and a soda?”
Etc.
No. I can’t help but feel embarrassed for you all for not being able to deal with this thread.
BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
Guess the date of the penny I may have found on the bathroom floor? LOL
In all seriousness, you can be embarrassed for yourself, and maybe you should be for starting this inane thread, maybe embarrassed for a family member or close friend, but not for some stranger on the internet.
You’re being very dramatic. It’s a guess the grade thread. That was my only point. Guess or don’t but please don’t hijack my thread. Thanks
BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
Ok, here goes:
No, it's not a GTG thread. The title is "...Did it CAC?"
Which as others have pointed out, is an asinine question if you are asking people to GTG. Unless anyone here readily admits or thinks they grade more generously or differently than JA, why would anyone guess a grade that they didn't think JA/CAC would agree with?
I thought it was very interesting everyone that actually guessed thought the 1810 O-109a was higher than a 45. I certainly agree. This is the latest state possible , a 109.5 and is always very weakly struck with few dentils and clashing. The luster is befitting of a 53. PCGS certainly took the strike into consideration. Also I believe this is the only 1810 O-109a with a CAC sticker.
The 1811 O-103a Large 8, as I stated earlier, is from the Pittman sale in 1996 and sold for $715. I understand why it didn’t CAC. I believe the wide flatly struck curls influenced the decision. Ex-Keigwin.
The broken 3 is accurately graded as a 50 and has a bit of chatter which is why it didn’t CAC. Understandable. It is, however, a very choice red book variety.
The 36, another Ex-Keigwin is perfect for a 53. Super original with blue luster. It is a tough O-120 R4 bar dot. Very pleased it CACed. This is also the only of its variety CACed.
BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
Horribly OT . . .but related to the OP first paragraph.
I just paid for expedited 2-Day Registered to CAC from Salt Lake. Took 15 days to get there. Thanks USPS.
Drunner
Your comment is very welcome. Glad it made it.
BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
If nothing else, posting here will, eventually, thicken your skin.
Or, you’ll end up in a dark room crying while watching reruns of The Dating Game.
A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.
A numismatist is judged more on the content of their library than the content of their cabinet.
While I agree with the various comments on the oddity of the game, it is @Pnies20 topic and !
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Anyway after all that
58 CAC
55 CAC
55 Gold CAC
55 No CAC
Who would waste precious time out of their day whining about a thread that clearly is made for fun?
A little surprised how that 1810 CACed being that bright, probably was solely based on the luster and lower grade assigned.
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you" Matthew 6:33. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.
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JRCS #1606
I grade both AG3 with a GOLD Sticker!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is fine... but there are 4 coins....
BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
Sorry to hear this but in my experience "expedited" and "registered" should never be used in the same sentence. I use Priority Mail (for the shipping carton) and Registered Mail (for the lower insurance costs) together as well but Registered Mail trumps any expedited service.
Tim
Guessing the grade is not the same as asking whether a graded coin be CAC approved. Two entirely different tasks. One is an estimate of grade, the other is a comparison against an assigned grade.
Congrats, you can grade! That is not relevant to a comparison against an actual assigned grade. Now go find a graded coin and assess it for quality just like the sticker boys do instead of playing GTG.
Apologies for beating a dead horse.
It is very relevant because grading is guessing what the TPG called it. Grading by different standards that are not universal is entirely useless and benefits no one.
I examine hundreds of graded coins per day, learning exactly how TPGs grade each series. These GTG are for fun. You are taking this way too seriously!
Conversation over. Waste your time elsewhere.
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you" Matthew 6:33. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.
BHNC #AN-10
JRCS #1606
I'll waste it here, thanks. I'm having too much fun punching holes in poor logic.
This isn't about grading skills. Play whatever games you want with the skills you have. It's about the proper logical comparison between the coin and the grade assigned to that coin, to get CAC approval. You have to know the assigned grade.
OK. Horse is now pudding.
Collector of Capped Bust Halves, SLQ's, Commems, and random cool stuff! @davidv_numismatics on Instagram