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1964 10c GTG

FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

I saw this coin on the PCGS Shared Orders page. Good luck!

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    IkesTIkesT Posts: 4,722 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well, I see some familiar die polishing lines on the obverse, so I'm going to say that the grade has an "SP" in front of it... ;)

    Would it be SP67, by any chance?

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    Tom147Tom147 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not on a 1964. Hesitant to say it, but are you meaning a 1964 SMS ?

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    IkesTIkesT Posts: 4,722 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tom147 said:
    Not on a 1964. Hesitant to say it, but are you meaning a 1964 SMS ?

    The 1964 SMS coins are graded as specimens. So are the 1965-1967 SMS coins, for that matter.

    Here's the CoinFacts page for the dimes:

    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1964-10c-sms/5220

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    Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 7,374 ✭✭✭✭✭

    68FB

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    Tom147Tom147 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm aware of the SP designation. If the pictured Roosie is a SMS, total pop. of 23

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    SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 13,313 ✭✭✭✭✭

    SP68?

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    IkesTIkesT Posts: 4,722 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tom147 said:
    I'm aware of the SP designation. If the pictured Roosie is a SMS, total pop. of 23

    Yes, I am saying that it is a 1964 SMS dime.

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    Tom147Tom147 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭✭✭

    OK Definitely out of my budget.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 17,482 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tom147 said:
    OK Definitely out of my budget.

    You can guess the grade without having to purchase it.😉

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 17,482 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’ll guess SMS 67.

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    ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 7,229 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS66+
    Is there something special about this?

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    PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 4,854 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ChrisH821 said:
    MS66+
    Is there something special about this?

    Probably, @FlyingAl’s GTGs tend to have some type of a twist at the end lol.

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,899 ✭✭✭✭✭

    67

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,899 ✭✭✭✭✭

    forgot to say FB

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    FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DeplorableDan said:

    @ChrisH821 said:
    MS66+
    Is there something special about this?

    Probably, @FlyingAl’s GTGs tend to have some type of a twist at the end lol.

    Dan, you know me far too well. :lol:

    You will need a designation for this one (MS, PR, SP).

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,899 ✭✭✭✭✭

    SP 67 FB

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    nexlevelnmxnexlevelnmx Posts: 335 ✭✭✭
    edited September 20, 2023 5:39PM

    I say SP 67 maybe 66!

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    davewesendavewesen Posts: 7,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS 67 FB

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    privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sp68

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,899 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A couple of questions about the so called 64 SMS dimes in particular. If there are only a small handful why do they seem to have different die polish marks? Wouldn't they all have been struck from the same die pair?

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 17,482 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    A couple of questions about the so called 64 SMS dimes in particular. If there are only a small handful why do they seem to have different die polish marks? Wouldn't they all have been struck from the same die pair?

    My guess is that the differences you see are the result of imaging.

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    FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Grade for this one is SP66.

    I saw it as an unconvincing SMS due to the rim weakness, but evidently you guys didn’t. Good work!

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    Tom147Tom147 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:
    You can guess the grade without having to purchase it.😉

    OK SP67 I'd like to say 68 as it's a really nice Roosie. pop extremely rare ( pop 3 ) in 68.

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    IkesTIkesT Posts: 4,722 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FlyingAl said:
    Grade for this one is SP66.

    I saw it as an unconvincing SMS due to the rim weakness, but evidently you guys didn’t. Good work!

    The OP coin was struck by one of the two die marriages I've seen attributed to 1964 SMS dimes - the obverse die polishing lines and the minute reverse die pits match up perfectly. That carries a lot of weight with me - I've not seen or heard of any known business strikes that were struck from these die pairs. Given that everything else about the coin also looks spot on for the SMS issue, I would also tend not to let a single feature - like the rim - overturn my opinion.

    @gumby1234 asked:
    If there are only a small handful why do they seem to have different die polish marks? Wouldn't they all have been struck from the same die pair?

    Not necessarily. The population of coins that was saved is small, but that doesn't prove that only a few were struck. We don't know for sure why they were struck, or what the original mintage was. There could have been many more struck that were later destroyed. Maybe only a few were struck as an experiment and it was necessary to repeat the experiment again later with another die pair. Who knows...

    It's been a while since I've examined the other 1964 SMS images in detail, but as I recall, the dime isn't the only denomination that was struck by more than one die marriage.

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 10,020 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am having a hard time getting a good read from this one, but I‘ll go with SMS67FB.

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    PizzamanPizzaman Posts: 304 ✭✭✭

    True Views are always over-flattering.

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