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Bust H10c likely grade?
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This dealer did not want to submit this coin for grading, how would you grade it?
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It’s a 5c! Half Dime.
I don’t use numerical grading on raw coins.
With the black spot rev he probably trying get above MS60 Money (around $600). Was he asking more? Could he have cracked it out try get more? I find it unusual that coin is raw so makes me suspicious. Details / Cleaned? Pass.
Appears what many Would call it -Commercial Unc : They would probably put UNC on 2x2 holder if selling it raw. Bin / Make Offer. Me > Certainly would send in to our hosts however. Would want their opinion.
It seems lustrous (or is it a little subdued) - however w/o seeing it in hand under 100 watt light w magnifier just my best wager.
He did not want submit for grading? Well there’s your reason to pass. Is he calling it CH or Gem Unc lol? What was his price?
62?
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UNC details is my guess. It looks unnaturally clean, with what could be old toning from the previous cleaning stuck around the devices, though I could be wrong.
Could me MS61-2?
This coin is not my series at all so I apologize in advance, but it’s screaming cleaned to me for some reason.
Dull, muted, dipped luster
Its not a bust dime. Its a half dime and its likely been cracked out. There's a reason the dealer doesn't want to send it in for grading.
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Trying to be objective and ignore what was said about the coin, it looks MS63 to me.
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To OP - You don’t think he’s there setup paying a bourse fee to give you some freebie do you? Run from that deal.
Possible light burnishing on the obverse. Details coin.
62/63
I’m with the 62 Straight grade crowd
in the 63 camp , straight grade!
Tough call.
I own one that’s similar, but with toning acquired from many years in the Dansco. May submit it someday; perhaps like your dealer, I’m not in a hurry to sink more money into it, to potentially get a Details grade.
I'll be the outlier here. My first impression was AU55.
I agree with @Batman23 in that my first impression was also in the AU55-58 range. Tough to tell from photos but I felt there was some slight rub on the high points. Of course maybe some of you who are calling it MS62 are "Market Grading" it to a higher $ amount.
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I could see that coin grading AU58 or MS63 by a TPG company, and I would grade it choice BU.
Agreed
With the caveat of not having my reading glasses handy and not being able to assess luster in hand I'll hazard to say that this LM7/V5 would 62 at PCGS and 63 at NGC. I'd like to say it's been dipped in something at some point but I do think it's still market acceptable.
It sold on ebay for around $500: https://tinyurl.com/483d9c9d
Makes sense. Raw+less than stellar photos+eBay=low hammer prices from folks not willing to pony up when taking a big risk.
Unc details, dipped unprofessionally.
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61/62. Luster is too muted for 63, IMHO.
Or they could have done as some sellers do pricing it high and juice images, rave about the coin as "Frosty Gem PQ+++!!! But that type of sales gimmick doesn't seem to work as well as it once did.
I tend to agree with @cladiator - PCGS would probably give it a 62. And although LM-7 is only an R2 marriage, the highest graded (attributed!) LM-7s at PCGS are two in 63 (I have one of those two in my set). If this were already in an attributed PCGS holder with a 62 straight grade, and I needed the marriage (which I don't), I'd buy it for $600ish. I would not buy it raw - because they've been tough on grades lately and are liable to surprise the submitter with a details - finding "cleaning" marks in the obverse left field for example.
I like the look of it, and the dirt on it doesn't look like it was rubbed into the devices (as a cleaned coin will), but rather it looks "sincere," like the Great Pumpkin likes. :-)
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That's from being a dark, original coin that was dipped to remove the toning. The areas that remain black now simply won't come off without dipping it so long that it gets stripped, that's into the metal. If you do remove it, you'll get chalky white spots underneath that stick out like a sore thumb. It's best left alone.
I'd call it a MS62.
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It's a no brainer MS coin.
I could only guess the exact grade.........possibly a 62 or 63.
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I've seen MS70 do for a coin what EZest does but by removing silver from the coin; how do you decide to use one and not the other?
You just learn with lots of experimentation what works and what doesn't work, with certain issues. I'll use 6-8 different solutions depending on the coin and what is going on with it. Sometimes 3 or 4 on one coin.
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"Conserv" that came out a few years ago which smells like turpentine, is the least reactive I've used. If the coin has original dirt you just want to leave it alone.
Makes sense. So it was cleaned.
Sure, like countless coins in straight grade holders. But the cleaning doesn’t appear to rise to the level of “improper cleaning” and a details grade.
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I'd agree. Honestly I don't mind a cleaning if it doesn't impact the coin at all surface or luster wise. I do prefer those shiny white-ish coins, but with some nice toning (instead of super dark coins).
It looks acceptable enough as a lower MS. I'm not crazy about it, though.
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Here is a Bust H10c I had some years ago, dipped it and it graded MS62 at NGC:
Unc details
58 or 62
I think the coin will grade 55/58 and it most likely not CAC'd. If you are acquiring the coin because its a scarce die marriage and you have been looking for quite some time, Ok - i do understand buying that coin if priced properly. On the other hand, if its not a scarce die marriage and you are acquiring it as a type coin, then I would suggest passing on the coin and getting a nicely toned Capped Bust Half dime for your set. The price differential is not very great between a raw coin vs a nicely toned TPG CBHD so its worth spending a few extra bucks and getting the "right" coin. Over time, you will be glad that you acquired nicely toned coins. If CAC'd than all the better. Just my 2 cents.
I dunno. I’d guess AU details but wouldn’t be astonished to see it in an MS62 holder.