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1851 Seated Quarters - Which Do You Prefer?

Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited August 18, 2023 7:34AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I have my opinion of course. Just wondering what you all think. They're both PCGS XF40 and not my pics.




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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,239 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The one in the OGH 😉.

    Both have positive and negative attributes.

    Assuming this is for your collection, the one that more closely matches your other coins.

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    lermishlermish Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tough. I like obverse one better and reverse two better. Usually pick the obverse but the (die polish?) lines on the reverse of 1 are more distracting to me so I pick #2.

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    WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,063 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Prefer #2

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    PokermandudePokermandude Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭

    2

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    Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerguy21D said:

    Both have positive and negative attributes.

    Agree

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    Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It’s close, but I prefer #1.

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    rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll take #1. I find the larger contact mark in the left obverse field of #2 distracting. Both are quite nice for 1851-P, though.

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    VTchaserVTchaser Posts: 295 ✭✭✭

    Based on those photo's i'd go with #1

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    fastfreddiefastfreddie Posts: 2,783 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 18, 2023 8:37AM

    1

    I believe the seller of #1 is a member here.

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    kirkminkkirkmink Posts: 172 ✭✭✭✭

    2

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,035 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm fairly certain that #1 is going to look much better in-hand. It appears to have very original surfaces. My choice: #1.

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    marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1 for me!

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    percybpercyb Posts: 3,303 ✭✭✭

    2

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    Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Running tally is 6-6. B)

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    jedmjedm Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My first impression was number 1, then after a lot of questioning and comparing, I still like the first one.

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    Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Slight preference for #1. Unless the price is significantly higher, go for #1. But if the price is significantly higher then go for #2 because they both are so similar in condition that a significant premium for #1 over #2 wouldn’t make sense

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,239 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @291fifth said:
    I'm fairly certain that #1 is going to look much better in-hand. It appears to have very original surfaces. My choice: #1.

    To me, it would depend on how that stained area on the obverse really appears in hand. But I agree that it looks to have very original skin.

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    Batman23Batman23 Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    By far I like the better strikes of the obverse 1 and the reverse 2 better. I think the color of 1 is off, a little bluish from reality. I'm thinking if I had them side by side in hand I would go with 1.

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    Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is my current 51, VF20. Almost certainly lightly cleaned in the past as most of these coins are.

    I'm not super motivated to upgrade it unless the right coin comes along.

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 8,227 ✭✭✭✭✭

    First has more eye appeal (potentially) to me; the second one's wear stands out.

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    rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's my AU58 with heavy die striations. I got it out of an old National Coin Album and submitted it raw in 2008 or so. It's original, but certainly not the prettiest AU58 you could ask for.

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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 22,861 ✭✭✭✭✭

    the first one- not even close in my mind

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    fastfreddiefastfreddie Posts: 2,783 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's my 61.


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    RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,389 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like 1 much better, looks more original to me.

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    TonedeafTonedeaf Posts: 224 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From the pictures, I like #1.

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    privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,233 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1

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    Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Running tally is 13-6.

    Here's my take on them. Neither one are ideal for the grade. I think the first one has had a light cleaning and retoned. I think the second one is original but with two issues - the gouge in the obv field mentioned above, and the odd toning pattern on the obv high points. If any of you were around in the 70's-80's you may recognize toning like that. It comes from an original coin with the high points in long term contact with a PVC flip. It doesn't mean the coin itself developed PVC (although it could have) but the PVC affected what was previously original skin. I've seen plenty of coins like that come out of PVC flips.

    Conclusion - Despite the problems, I lean toward the second coin because I think it's more original than the first. But, neither are ideal, so I will probably pass on both of them for now and focus on upgrades for the handful of coins in my set that are below VF.

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    MoldnutMoldnut Posts: 3,088 ✭✭✭✭

    I like #1

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,712 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Manifest_Destiny said:
    Running tally is 13-6.

    Here's my take on them. Neither one are ideal for the grade. I think the first one has had a light cleaning and retoned. I think the second one is original but with two issues - the gouge in the obv field mentioned above, and the odd toning pattern on the obv high points. If any of you were around in the 70's-80's you may recognize toning like that. It comes from an original coin with the high points in long term contact with a PVC flip. It doesn't mean the coin itself developed PVC (although it could have) but the PVC affected what was previously original skin. I've seen plenty of coins like that come out of PVC flips.

    Conclusion - Despite the problems, I lean toward the second coin because I think it's more original than the first. But, neither are ideal, so I will probably pass on both of them for now and focus on upgrades for the handful of coins in my set that are below VF.

    I agree with you on both the second one and neither.

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    JBNJBN Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Second one.

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    ARCOARCO Posts: 4,347 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 18, 2023 9:10PM

    1

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    RobertScotLoverRobertScotLover Posts: 710 ✭✭✭✭

    @rhedden said:
    I'll take #1. I find the larger contact mark in the left obverse field of #2 distracting. Both are quite nice for 1851-P, though.

    Agreed.

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    rec78rec78 Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 19, 2023 12:06AM
    1. From the photos given 1. appears to be more like a true XF45. 2 seems to be cleaned at least in the view shown.
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm 100% sure #2 has been cleanedh. Not so sure that #1 couldn't be original.
    While #2 has slightly better detail, and a tad more luster.......it looks played with & the field dent is a 45 to 40 deduction.
    If #1 were dipped out like #2 maybe that hidden luster would shine a bit more.........don't do it though.

    1 for me.

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    Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1 my preference

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,700 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ill go with #1 as well

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    originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,918 ✭✭✭✭

    1 of the two choices, is more pleasing to the eye.

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    Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I ended up not getting either of them.

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    No HeadlightsNo Headlights Posts: 2,040 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1 for me. Looks like it has been messed with less. Plus, the obverse hits on #2 make it a hard no for me. Love your posts by the way.

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,329 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @No Headlights said:

    1 for me. Looks like it has been messed with less. Plus, the obverse hits on #2 make it a hard no for me. Love your posts by the way.

    Hit the # first didn’t you. I agree with #1.

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    MICHAELDIXONMICHAELDIXON Posts: 6,431 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like #1 because it looks "masculine." Reminds me of the dirty hands I had whenever I was an auto mechanic in another life.

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