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AI Begins Designing US Coins- How Would You Feel?

OnastoneOnastone Posts: 4,159 ✭✭✭✭✭

If the entire process from the designing sketches to the finished coins were completely computerized, how would you feel? If AI produces coins based on collector trends, perhaps an Eagle on the reverse, a torch bearing Liberty on the obverse, flowing hair, stars and stripes, etc. etc., would you embrace this new age or stop collecting? It would be an Ultra Modern Era for coinage. Or would it not matter to you at all, a coin design doesn't matter how it was created or produced...Would coins be labeled "Human" or "High-Tech"? How close are we actually to this next step?

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,818 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 6, 2023 6:25AM

    It would not have an impact on what I do in the business. As far as I liked a coin design not to worry.

    Frankly I don’t think its a feasible concept politically at this time unless at sometime in the future humans lived in a city state controlled by AI. There was a video on u tube about that. Some vision a guy had of the future lol. Violators of city law were given a reprimand / warning for minor offenses or if more serious offenses hard labor or simply execution. Whatever it was decisive and swift. The city was on a consortium planet and subject to what they called Central Control (the human run military organization, called The Consortium which delegated city mgt to AI). The goal of the Consortium was exploration, conquest, and expansion among the sea of stars. With its large fleet of warships (and mostly AI crews) Competition was absorbed into the process or eliminated.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,841 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Who cares? What does it look like?

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  • scubafuelscubafuel Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I cannot imagine it would do worse than the current designers. I’d rather see an AI fever dream on my coins than the committee approved stencils we put up with right now.

  • ShaunBC5ShaunBC5 Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just want better.

  • Pnies20Pnies20 Posts: 2,494 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Who cares? What does it look like?

    Lots of people have an opinion, probably.

    BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.

  • fathomfathom Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the design and manufacturing is improved then of course we want.

    Humans write the source code for an AI program.

    If anyone can figure out what cougar's answer is.... he may have nailed it.....but we will probably never know.

  • PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 4,578 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Pnies20 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Who cares? What does it look like?

    Lots of people have an opinion, probably.

    I don't think @jmlanzaf's response was saying "who cares" about the thread subject overall, but he was merely sharing his opinion that he doesn't necessarily care how the design is created, only what the final result looks like.

    I agree with that, I don't really care how we get to the destination but I would love to see the end result improve. Perhaps AI can actually render designs that look like they were created by an artist. Personally, I think the execution is even more important than the design. I got a couple of the 2023 Morgan and peace dollars and I think that the matte/sandblast finish makes them look cheap. Probably going to dump them, hopefully the proofs look more like the coins of old.

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  • Morgan WhiteMorgan White Posts: 9,357 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There was a thread here not long ago with AI designed coins. Some were a bit creepy.

  • Pnies20Pnies20 Posts: 2,494 ✭✭✭✭✭


    @DeplorableDan said:

    @Pnies20 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Who cares? What does it look like?

    Lots of people have an opinion, probably.

    I don't think @jmlanzaf's response was saying "who cares" about the thread subject overall, but he was merely sharing his opinion that he doesn't necessarily care how the design is created, only what the final result looks like.

    I agree with that, I don't really care how we get to the destination but I would love to see the end result improve. Perhaps AI can actually render designs that look like they were created by an artist. Personally, I think the execution is even more important than the design. I got a couple of the 2023 Morgan and peace dollars and I think that the matte/sandblast finish makes them look cheap. Probably going to dump them, hopefully the proofs look more like the coins of old.

    I was tracking. I think lots of people probably have an opinion how the design is created.

    BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,292 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I wanna see the designs first before passing judgment, jmo

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,824 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don’t care, I don’t collect modern coins.

  • The_Dinosaur_ManThe_Dinosaur_Man Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AI designs will be terrible at first, then after a while they will be so good that we will get goosebumps, but the good feelings will pass when we realize that the AI designs lack the emotions that a true artist puts into their work.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,841 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DeplorableDan said:

    @Pnies20 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Who cares? What does it look like?

    Lots of people have an opinion, probably.

    I don't think @jmlanzaf's response was saying "who cares" about the thread subject overall, but he was merely sharing his opinion that he doesn't necessarily care how the design is created, only what the final result looks like.

    I agree with that, I don't really care how we get to the destination but I would love to see the end result improve. Perhaps AI can actually render designs that look like they were created by an artist. Personally, I think the execution is even more important than the design. I got a couple of the 2023 Morgan and peace dollars and I think that the matte/sandblast finish makes them look cheap. Probably going to dump them, hopefully the proofs look more like the coins of old.

    Yes. Thank you.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,841 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Smudge said:
    I don’t care, I don’t collect modern coins.

    I've lived long enough that my modern music became "oldies".

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, evn when irrefutably accurate.

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,824 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Smudge said:
    I don’t care, I don’t collect modern coins.

    I've lived long enough that my modern music became "oldies".

    Me too, but it seems that music gets old before coins.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Who cares? What does it look like?

    I agree with this.

  • steve76020steve76020 Posts: 367 ✭✭✭
    edited August 6, 2023 8:16PM

    the thing is and i would like to hear from a mint executive to chime in but if there is an error coin a ddo,ddr a doubled ear whatever would it then be called a computer error and deemed worthless or a ddo, or ddr, or whatever and called deemed valuable does anyone have a theory on this conundrum. thanks ahead of time for your answers

  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Might as well, right?
    It's been about a hundred years since the mint has created a nice design, seems like they oughta give the new guy a shot at it 👍

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,884 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Show me the designs that AI comes up with and then I'll tell you how I feel about it. I'm not very optimistic that AI can come up with better designs than a human with artistic abilities.

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  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,270 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And how do we tell the AI that we're displeased with a design?

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,841 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 7, 2023 3:36AM

    @steve76020 said:
    the thing is and i would like to hear from a mint executive to chime in but if there is an error coin a ddo,ddr a doubled ear whatever would it then be called a computer error and deemed worthless or a ddo, or ddr, or whatever and called deemed valuable does anyone have a theory on this conundrum. thanks ahead of time for your answers

    It would still be a production error. A DDO or DDR is not a design failure.

    And the Mint is not the arbiter of what collectors choose to collect. Their opinion is irrelevant.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, evn when irrefutably accurate.

  • OnastoneOnastone Posts: 4,159 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 7, 2023 3:43AM

    @PerryHall said:
    Show me the designs that AI comes up with and then I'll tell you how I feel about it. I'm not very optimistic that AI can come up with better designs than a human with artistic abilities.

    Checking around, I found this from Coin Week: "Using AI to Design Coins Yields Some Interesting Results
    By
    Charles Morgan
    June 13, 2023"
    Here are some actual coin designs by AI...

  • lobo54lobo54 Posts: 135 ✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    Show me the designs that AI comes up with and then I'll tell you how I feel about it. I'm not very optimistic that AI can come up with better designs than a human with artistic abilities.

    The problem isn't human ability, but rather the humans that make the up or down choices.

    I would rather join with an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by sheep.

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