SVDB on eBay...thoughts?

dwood · January 17, 2003 10:32AM

Something about the S just doesn't look right. Am I paranoid about raw SVDBs?

Raw SVDB on eBay

clackamas · January 17, 2003 10:36AM

63/64 RB it may have good surface preservation but PCGS won't give GEM RB with out being dang close to RD.

LucyBop · January 17, 2003 10:38AM

That seller sure has quite a bit of nuetrals and negatives....

zenny · January 17, 2003 10:40AM

<< <i>Am I paranoid about raw SVDBs?

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I think if one is to be paranoid, it's a pretty good place to start.

z

benloe · January 17, 2003 10:44AM

Surface does not look natural, and that is just for starters. This is one of those coins that
have been targeted by shysters for many many years.If it don't look right don't buy it.

IrishMike · January 17, 2003 10:46AM

Does anyone else notice that it might have PVC damage?

clackamas · January 17, 2003 10:56AM

On second thought it looks too Pumkinish to make me think it was not altered at one point. Stay away, you can find better.

clw54 · January 17, 2003 11:00AM

The S doesn't look like the one in the PCGS counterfeit detection book, nor does it look like mine which is in a PCGS slab. The upper loop is larger in the one for sale, which is different from the PCGS photo. It could be a trick of the light, maybe, but is it worth the risk?

ldhair · January 17, 2003 11:10AM

It could be just the image and the light but, the S is just too clear.
It's not for me.

Merc · January 17, 2003 11:56AM

The S does not look correct. The color is not origional either. It may have a added S and then was recolored to hid the evidence. This is probably the#1 faked coin. There are even very nice die struck ones that have all of the diagonistics of the real one except the details are too strong and the rims are too high.

dwood · January 17, 2003 12:00PM

I never entertained bidding on it, as I've resigned myself to only buying a slabbed SVDB, but the S just jumped out at me, and evidently to some of you as well. It just doesn't look right. It seems to "well-formed" and defined, and it also seems a little low to me. I didn't know if it was just my normal scepticism of the raw SVDBs or not.

In any event, I hope whoever winds up with it is happy. I have coins I "doubt" but would never part with

gmarguli · January 17, 2003 12:00PM

For $10 this seller could have had the coin slabbed as authentic (no grade/net grade) by ANACS. Why didn't he? Avoid.

clackamas · January 17, 2003 12:07PM

Keldos actually is a good seller and would take the coin back if it came back as fake. I have purchased some great stuff from him, raw.

You guys are wrong on the diagnostics. I just pulled out my MS65 09-S VB and that coin is right on. Its real.

The "S" is right - Its just like mine and you look for a slant in the cross on "B" in V.D.B..

The problem with this auction is that it is fairly priced for a certified coin. There is no upside with the risk.

ldhair · January 17, 2003 12:15PM

I would like to see that S in a nice large scan.
That would let us all see for sure.

dwood · January 17, 2003 12:32PM

Clack,
I've bought from Keldos before also, and know that he'd take it back if it came back fake. I didn't mean to imply anything about Keldos, and should have been more careful to not do so when I first pointed out this coin. Keldos is a great seller, and a fair and honest guy, so anyone interested in any of his auctions should approach it just as if it were someone here, or one of the big auction houses. If it isn't right, he'll make it right.

That being said, no one is perfect, and when dealing with raw coins, and in the volume Keldos does, one or two are going to slip by every now and then. As I said, I'm always sceptical of raw SVDBs, and that's likely the reason this one looked odd to me. I only wanted to see if others saw it also. I wasn't making a statement about Keldos.

But now I have made a statement about Keldos, and I'll stand behind everything I've said. And so will he

jdimmick · January 17, 2003 12:38PM

I think the s-vdb is a genuine coin, however, the surface color is not correct. This coin has been dipped, cleaned, etc.

Stay away, you can find a certified example?

mr1931S · January 17, 2003 1:49PM

the 'S' doesn't look right to me either...looks like the wrong style to me...the upper loop of the 'S' is too wide?...it would be somewhat reassuring to see that 'S' in a slight depression but that doesn't appear to be the case...

it's tough (impossible?) to authenticate from scans but this SVDB just doesn't look right...i saw a much better,but i suspected not genuine, raw ebay SVDB a few weeks ago...

sinin1 · January 17, 2003 2:59PM

lotsa money for a coin probably already bodybagged for cleaning/artificial color.

It looks authentic, just not original, been played with ?

ARCO · January 17, 2003 3:08PM

There are lots of 09-S VDB's, there are lots of nice slabbed coins to choose from in every grade. Pick one that is is graded right by a reputable service.

Tyler

merz2 · January 17, 2003 10:00PM

I am going to step out on a limb and say it is grnuine too.The color is wrong It has been dipped.It appears to be the die #4 variety. It would never get into a PCGS slab.ANACS would net grade it IMHO

SVDB on eBay...thoughts?

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