Reholdering of a PCGS coin with a CAC sticker.

divecchia · October 27, 2022 10:06AM

It looks like I may have to get a PCGS coin reholdered. What are the standard procedures for sending a coin back to PCGS for a reholder if it has a CAC sticker on it? For example, does one have to specifically tell PCGS to return the flip so that it can be sent in to CAC for a resticker or does PCGS know to do it automatically? If you don’t mind sharing, please let me know your individual procedures regarding a reholder of a coin that has a CAC sticker.

Thanks for your time, Donato

DelawareDoons · October 27, 2022 5:16PM

@divecchia said:

@DelawareDoons said:

@divecchia said:
Sorry, my question needed to be more specific. If I get it reholdered it is because the cert is a 7 digit cert that is no longer active or working in the PCGS database. When I type it in a different coin comes up. I was told by a PCGS rep that the only way to get the coin into my inventory or in my registry sets is to get it reholdered. I do not really want to do it as it is an older holder.

Edited to add: So I will have a new cert number.

Donato

Shouldn't need to be reholdered unless there's an obvious issue. I've gotten them to add coins that weren't in the database at all before, simply with pictures. But that was back when BJ Searls was around so...

The problem with that is this cert number with a zero in front of it (05018377) already exists in their database, but it's linked to another coin.

Donato

I've had that happen before too. Got BJ to fix that too. I'd push a bit more and see if somebody will play ball.

PhilLynott · October 28, 2022 10:23AM

@divecchia said:

@FlyingAl said:
Could you just keep it the way it is?

It doesn't seem like you have any desire to sell, so the Cert page doesn't even matter, given that we can see the coin is genuine. Even when it comes time to sell, the Cert page doesn't matter much because there's no images of the coin anyways, so it is down to the buyer to tell if the coin is genuine. At that point I think your average buyer would probably identify this as genuine within a few seconds.

@FlyingAl said:
Could you just keep it the way it is?

It doesn't seem like you have any desire to sell, so the Cert page doesn't even matter, given that we can see the coin is genuine. Even when it comes time to sell, the Cert page doesn't matter much because there's no images of the coin anyways, so it is down to the buyer to tell if the coin is genuine. At that point I think your average buyer would probably identify this as genuine within a few seconds.

You are correct. I have no interest in selling the coin. It is only to add it to my inventory and more importantly into my registry sets. I don't really want to spend another few grand to get another $20 Saint in MS65 just to add it to my sets.

For now I passed on the reholder and I asked if I could get (for the lack of a better term) a "fake cert number" that would recognize my coin so that I could get it into my sets.

Donato

I've done that before just borrowed another cert with same grade for an NGC coin I wanted to put in a virtual PCGS album. There are 11,000 1928s in MS65 probably like 2% of them will ever be added to a registry and if so you can just remove from yours if ever requested.

lermish · October 27, 2022 10:12AM

If it's just a reholder it maintains the same cert number so once it is returned to you you can just send back to CAC for a re-sticker. Easy.

divecchia · October 27, 2022 10:25AM

Sorry, my question needed to be more specific. If I get it reholdered it is because the cert is a 7 digit cert that is no longer active or working in the PCGS database. When I type it in a different coin comes up. I was told by a PCGS rep that the only way to get the coin into my inventory or in my registry sets is to get it reholdered. I do not really want to do it as it is an older holder.

Edited to add: So I will have a new cert number.

Donato

P0CKETCHANGE · October 27, 2022 10:32AM

@divecchia said:
Sorry, my question needed to be more specific. If I get it reholdered it is because the cert is a 7 digit cert that is no longer active or working in the PCGS database. When I type it in a different coin comes up. I was told by a PCGS rep that the only way to get the coin into my inventory or in my registry sets is to get it reholdered. I do not really want to do it as it is an older holder.

Edited to add: So I will have a new cert number.

Donato

PCGS has an error/issue with their database or catalog, and they are requiring you to pay for them to correct it? That is unfortunate if true.

divecchia · October 27, 2022 10:36AM

@P0CKETCHANGE said:

@divecchia said:
Sorry, my question needed to be more specific. If I get it reholdered it is because the cert is a 7 digit cert that is no longer active or working in the PCGS database. When I type it in a different coin comes up. I was told by a PCGS rep that the only way to get the coin into my inventory or in my registry sets is to get it reholdered. I do not really want to do it as it is an older holder.

Edited to add: So I will have a new cert number.

Donato

PCGS has an error/issue with their database or catalog, and they are requiring you to pay for them to correct it? That is unfortunate if true.

No, they will send me a FedEx label and reholder it at their cost.

Donato

LanceNewmanOCC · October 27, 2022 10:46AM

@divecchia said:
Donato

before you kill the older holder, there MAY be someone to trade/buy your example. fwiw

P0CKETCHANGE · October 27, 2022 10:48AM

@divecchia said:

@P0CKETCHANGE said:

@divecchia said:
Sorry, my question needed to be more specific. If I get it reholdered it is because the cert is a 7 digit cert that is no longer active or working in the PCGS database. When I type it in a different coin comes up. I was told by a PCGS rep that the only way to get the coin into my inventory or in my registry sets is to get it reholdered. I do not really want to do it as it is an older holder.

Edited to add: So I will have a new cert number.

Donato

PCGS has an error/issue with their database or catalog, and they are requiring you to pay for them to correct it? That is unfortunate if true.

No, they will send me a FedEx label and reholder it at their cost.

Donato

Ah, that’s great. Thanks for correcting my assumption. Yes, I’d request the paper insert back and include that and photos of the coin in the old holder when you send to CAC. Unfortunately you will lose the old holder as you noted.

lermish · October 27, 2022 10:50AM

@divecchia said:
Sorry, my question needed to be more specific. If I get it reholdered it is because the cert is a 7 digit cert that is no longer active or working in the PCGS database. When I type it in a different coin comes up. I was told by a PCGS rep that the only way to get the coin into my inventory or in my registry sets is to get it reholdered. I do not really want to do it as it is an older holder.

Edited to add: So I will have a new cert number.

Donato

I would double check with CAC before you send to PCGS but if you send in the explanation with those photos showing it is the same coin and same grade it should just be a re-sticker.

divecchia · October 27, 2022 10:51AM

@LanceNewmanOCC said:

@divecchia said:
Donato

before you kill the older holder, there MAY be someone to trade/buy your example. fwiw

I have no intentions of selling or trading the coin. I bought the coin, unfortunately I had to pay up because of the old holder and the CAC sticker.

Donato

lermish · October 27, 2022 10:52AM

And CAC should already know something is up.

HashTag · October 27, 2022 10:55AM

NLI

divecchia · October 27, 2022 1:43PM

Thanks for all the input guys, I appreciate it.

Donato

DisneyFan · October 27, 2022 3:01PM

You might consider waiting and seeing whether having the new CAC holder would make more sense.

SIowhand · October 27, 2022 4:26PM

You’d think they should be able to recognize a CAC worthy coin without needing proof it was once stickered. Should be obvious.

alefzero · October 27, 2022 4:48PM

I crossed a Trade dollar that was in NGC 64 CAC to PCGS 64. I think the returned NGC tag with a link to the auction appearance (as NGC) should suffice to regain the sticker without requiring a fresh consideration. It is a cherrypicker FS variety that I wanted on the tag and the NGC holder had a small crack. So it made sense to just cross it.

DelawareDoons · October 27, 2022 5:03PM

@divecchia said:
Sorry, my question needed to be more specific. If I get it reholdered it is because the cert is a 7 digit cert that is no longer active or working in the PCGS database. When I type it in a different coin comes up. I was told by a PCGS rep that the only way to get the coin into my inventory or in my registry sets is to get it reholdered. I do not really want to do it as it is an older holder.

Edited to add: So I will have a new cert number.

Donato

Shouldn't need to be reholdered unless there's an obvious issue. I've gotten them to add coins that weren't in the database at all before, simply with pictures. But that was back when BJ Searls was around so...

divecchia · October 27, 2022 5:13PM

@DelawareDoons said:

@divecchia said:
Sorry, my question needed to be more specific. If I get it reholdered it is because the cert is a 7 digit cert that is no longer active or working in the PCGS database. When I type it in a different coin comes up. I was told by a PCGS rep that the only way to get the coin into my inventory or in my registry sets is to get it reholdered. I do not really want to do it as it is an older holder.

Edited to add: So I will have a new cert number.

Donato

Shouldn't need to be reholdered unless there's an obvious issue. I've gotten them to add coins that weren't in the database at all before, simply with pictures. But that was back when BJ Searls was around so...

The problem with that is this cert number with a zero in front of it (05018377) already exists in their database, but it's linked to another coin.

Donato

robec · October 27, 2022 5:40PM

@SIowhand said:
You’d think they should be able to recognize a CAC worthy coin without needing proof it was once stickered. Should be obvious.

The difference is if the Cert number is the same a re-sticker fee is $3 where as if the same coin has a new number it would almost certainly get another sticker, but this one will cost $16.

winesteven · October 27, 2022 8:37PM

CAC Resticker fee was bumped up slightly to $5 about a year or so ago.

Steve

BUFFNIXX · October 28, 2022 7:30AM

Just crack it out and place into a Coin World holder that is the same size as a pcgs slab.
They you problems are solved.

PhilLynott · October 28, 2022 7:41AM

@divecchia said:

@DelawareDoons said:

@divecchia said:
Sorry, my question needed to be more specific. If I get it reholdered it is because the cert is a 7 digit cert that is no longer active or working in the PCGS database. When I type it in a different coin comes up. I was told by a PCGS rep that the only way to get the coin into my inventory or in my registry sets is to get it reholdered. I do not really want to do it as it is an older holder.

Edited to add: So I will have a new cert number.

Donato

Shouldn't need to be reholdered unless there's an obvious issue. I've gotten them to add coins that weren't in the database at all before, simply with pictures. But that was back when BJ Searls was around so...

The problem with that is this cert number with a zero in front of it (05018377) already exists in their database, but it's linked to another coin.

Donato

Can they void the other coin in their database and keep yours as the active one?

Nice that they're covering the fees but that's pretty annoying situation since there's a nice market for that green holder. Hopefully they throw in a trueview for you at least!

FlyingAl · October 28, 2022 7:44AM

Could you just keep it the way it is?

It doesn't seem like you have any desire to sell, so the Cert page doesn't even matter, given that we can see the coin is genuine. Even when it comes time to sell, the Cert page doesn't matter much because there's no images of the coin anyways, so it is down to the buyer to tell if the coin is genuine. At that point I think your average buyer would probably identify this as genuine within a few seconds.

winesteven · October 28, 2022 7:56AM

I know with my slight touch of OCD, I'd want it fixed NOW. When the time comes to sell, whether by me or my heirs, getting it fixed now will help.

Make sure to keep a good paper trail with current and new cert numbers, and include that in your submission to CAC!!!!

Let us know how you make out at the end.

Steve

divecchia · October 28, 2022 9:23AM

@FlyingAl said:
Could you just keep it the way it is?

It doesn't seem like you have any desire to sell, so the Cert page doesn't even matter, given that we can see the coin is genuine. Even when it comes time to sell, the Cert page doesn't matter much because there's no images of the coin anyways, so it is down to the buyer to tell if the coin is genuine. At that point I think your average buyer would probably identify this as genuine within a few seconds.

@FlyingAl said:
Could you just keep it the way it is?

It doesn't seem like you have any desire to sell, so the Cert page doesn't even matter, given that we can see the coin is genuine. Even when it comes time to sell, the Cert page doesn't matter much because there's no images of the coin anyways, so it is down to the buyer to tell if the coin is genuine. At that point I think your average buyer would probably identify this as genuine within a few seconds.

You are correct. I have no interest in selling the coin. It is only to add it to my inventory and more importantly into my registry sets. I don't really want to spend another few grand to get another $20 Saint in MS65 just to add it to my sets.

For now I passed on the reholder and I asked if I could get (for the lack of a better term) a "fake cert number" that would recognize my coin so that I could get it into my sets.

Donato

asheland · October 28, 2022 11:27AM

Cool coin! I hope you get it resolved soon.

DelawareDoons · October 28, 2022 12:21PM

@PhilLynott said:

@divecchia said:

@DelawareDoons said:

@divecchia said:
Sorry, my question needed to be more specific. If I get it reholdered it is because the cert is a 7 digit cert that is no longer active or working in the PCGS database. When I type it in a different coin comes up. I was told by a PCGS rep that the only way to get the coin into my inventory or in my registry sets is to get it reholdered. I do not really want to do it as it is an older holder.

Edited to add: So I will have a new cert number.

Donato

Shouldn't need to be reholdered unless there's an obvious issue. I've gotten them to add coins that weren't in the database at all before, simply with pictures. But that was back when BJ Searls was around so...

The problem with that is this cert number with a zero in front of it (05018377) already exists in their database, but it's linked to another coin.

Donato

Can they void the other coin in their database and keep yours as the active one?

Nice that they're covering the fees but that's pretty annoying situation since there's a nice market for that green holder. Hopefully they throw in a trueview for you at least!

That's what they did. I did have to show them the slab at Baltimore, to David Talk when he worked there, and he examined it, and then took a couple pics of it and they updated the database to show the information for my coin a couple days later.

It doesn't make sense to make somebody who actually cares about the holder/registry/etc reholder their coin when the unknown one floating around out there might not even be in a holder any more, if there is actually a duplicate serial number, and not just an error of some sort somewhere along the line causing the cert information to be messed up.

Reholdering of a PCGS coin with a CAC sticker.

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