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I didn't see this already posted, but is this for real with PayPal?

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    privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,886 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why am I not surprised?

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    FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 4,509 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 8, 2022 3:38PM

    Removed.

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    AdamLAdamL Posts: 235 ✭✭✭✭

    Crazy.

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    drei3reedrei3ree Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭✭

    Editor’s note: This article was updated to reflect that Paypal has retracted the user policy information after the social media backlash. The company said: “An AUP notice recently went out in error that included incorrect information.” The last paragraph in this article contains the full statement from Paypal concerning the user policy.

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    MartinMartin Posts: 999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is why we need to stick with coins and currency. Electronic forms of money are to trackable and letting outside influences have power. Also it’s hard for our host to grade electrons

    Martin

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    streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A reminder that it would be a good idea to have an alternative or two for electronic funds transfer.
    PayPal policy: SMDH

    Have a nice day
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    ElmerFusterpuckElmerFusterpuck Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I did see that, it was for real and they did have to 'backpedal'. The 'incorrect info' line was BS. IMHO they were just testing the waters; I'm betting they will be back in the future with a 'revised' policy. Amusing to see some bunker mentality postings here, we can choose whether or not we want to walk away from them, it's not a forced choice.

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    WCCWCC Posts: 3,325 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @remumc said:
    PayPal banned me several years ago for being in a firearms related business, even though I do not sell firearms, much, & did not receive any payments for same.
    I could give a rats ass what they do or don't do. Just another tech company making anti-firearms policy against the 2nd amendment! F'em!

    I presume they consider themselves a "tech" company, but they aren't one. They are just another payments company providing a "widget" service which is subject to easy substitution.

    All kinds of companies call themselves "tech" but it's just more Wall Street marketing BS to inflate the stock price.

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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 12,616 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 9, 2022 8:14PM

    @MWallace said:
    Who is PayPal? The government? I would be shocked to find that they can "legally" fine someone without due process of law.

    They don't have to be the government, if you agree to the TOS you sign away any right to disagree with their rules and give them the right to fine you. No different than if you live in a housing HOA, once you sign on the dotted line the HOA has the authority to fine you if you violate any of the HOA rules.

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    MartinMartin Posts: 999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Martin said:
    This is why we need to stick with coins and currency. Electronic forms of money are to trackable and letting outside influences have power. Also it’s hard for our host to grade electrons

    Martin

    Yeah, no way the government could ever fine you.

    The gov has the authority to pass laws that are voted on by representatives who are elected by we the people. So yes they can fine me. ( I also did not bring being fined up on my post) There won’t be anything to fine after PayPal emptiness my account Because I said something they didn’t like. Which is arbitrary and why should they care what I think or say. They are an escrow company for crying out loud. Also I don’t think I’m saying anything you already don’t know.

    I can’t believe I actually bit
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    derrybderryb Posts: 38,628 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 10, 2022 3:25AM

    Take it as a warning. Just wait until all of your money is required to be funneled through a central bank digital currency account (CDBC) controlled by the Federal Reserve (and whomever controls them). Don't think it can happen? It's coming.

    "Money does not care about speeches on morality. Capital asks whether the rules will remain the same tomorrow. With inflation, people assume price is the problem, and propose regulation—but price is simply the message." - Martin Armstrong

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,812 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinbuf said:

    @MWallace said:
    Who is PayPal? The government? I would be shocked to find that they can "legally" fine someone without due process of law.

    They don't have to be the government, if you agree to the TOS you sign away any right to disagree with their rules and give them the right to fine you. No different than if you live in a housing HOA, once you sign on the dotted line the HOA has the authority to fine you if you violate any of the HOA rules.

    I don't think you can sign away your constitutional rights.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,812 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @coinbuf said:

    @MWallace said:
    Who is PayPal? The government? I would be shocked to find that they can "legally" fine someone without due process of law.

    They don't have to be the government, if you agree to the TOS you sign away any right to disagree with their rules and give them the right to fine you. No different than if you live in a housing HOA, once you sign on the dotted line the HOA has the authority to fine you if you violate any of the HOA rules.

    I don't think you can sign away your constitutional rights.

    This is not a constitutional right.

    Disagree. Arbitrarily taking someone's money without due process because you disagree with something they said violates the first amendment. I'm sure the courts will side with the victim of any theft by PP.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,812 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @coinbuf said:

    @MWallace said:
    Who is PayPal? The government? I would be shocked to find that they can "legally" fine someone without due process of law.

    They don't have to be the government, if you agree to the TOS you sign away any right to disagree with their rules and give them the right to fine you. No different than if you live in a housing HOA, once you sign on the dotted line the HOA has the authority to fine you if you violate any of the HOA rules.

    I don't think you can sign away your constitutional rights.

    This is not a constitutional right.

    Disagree. Arbitrarily taking someone's money without due process because you disagree with something they said violates the first amendment. I'm sure the courts will side with the victim of any theft by PP.

    1st amendment doesn't apply to private businesses.

    You agreed to the terms of service, there is no need for "due process" which, again, applies to public entities. A credit card company can charge late fees, for example, without "due process" because you've agreed to them when accepting the TOS.

    If you are late with a payment, it's easily established. If you have a blog and they disagree with what you say, PP can fine you $2500 for every point you make that they disagree with and wipe out every cent in your account. I seriously doubt the courts would look favorably on this.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

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    MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,695 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @coinbuf said:

    @MWallace said:

    1st amendment doesn't apply to private businesses.

    You agreed to the terms of service, there is no need for "due process" which, again, applies to public entities. A credit card company can charge late fees, for example, without "due process" because you've agreed to them when accepting the TOS.

    The 1st amendment may not apply to a "private business" (I've never heard a "business" say anything), but it applies to each and every citizen at that business.

    If I refuse to pay the credit card company the late fees, they do not have the authority to come to my home and take it. They can take me to court and a judge can have it, or my freedom, taken from me. The only authority the credit card company has is to cancel my card.

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,812 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MWallace said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @coinbuf said:

    @MWallace said:

    1st amendment doesn't apply to private businesses.

    You agreed to the terms of service, there is no need for "due process" which, again, applies to public entities. A credit card company can charge late fees, for example, without "due process" because you've agreed to them when accepting the TOS.

    The 1st amendment may not apply to a "private business" (I've never heard a "business" say anything), but it applies to each and every citizen at that business.

    If I refuse to pay the credit card company the late fees, they do not have the authority to come to my home and take it. They can take me to court and a judge can have it, or my freedom, taken from me. The only authority the credit card company has is to cancel my card.

    They can hurt your credit rating and hurt your ability to get a loan.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

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    MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 10, 2022 6:10AM

    @PerryHall said:

    @MWallace said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @coinbuf said:

    @MWallace said:

    1st amendment doesn't apply to private businesses.

    You agreed to the terms of service, there is no need for "due process" which, again, applies to public entities. A credit card company can charge late fees, for example, without "due process" because you've agreed to them when accepting the TOS.

    The 1st amendment may not apply to a "private business" (I've never heard a "business" say anything), but it applies to each and every citizen at that business.

    If I refuse to pay the credit card company the late fees, they do not have the authority to come to my home and take it. They can take me to court and a judge can have it, or my freedom, taken from me. The only authority the credit card company has is to cancel my card.

    They can hurt your credit rating and hurt your ability to get a loan.

    That is true. But fee wise, which is the subject, they can't just take it unless one lets them.

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    MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,695 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MWallace said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @coinbuf said:

    @MWallace said:

    1st amendment doesn't apply to private businesses.

    You agreed to the terms of service, there is no need for "due process" which, again, applies to public entities. A credit card company can charge late fees, for example, without "due process" because you've agreed to them when accepting the TOS.

    The 1st amendment may not apply to a "private business" (I've never heard a "business" say anything), but it applies to each and every citizen at that business.

    If I refuse to pay the credit card company the late fees, they do not have the authority to come to my home and take it. They can take me to court and a judge can have it, or my freedom, taken from me. The only authority the credit card company has is to cancel my card.

    That is not true. The 1st amendment prevents the government from proscribing speech. It did not apply at all to private businesses. Believe me, I work at a private college and this has been litigated.

    The "college" is an inanimate object, it can't speak. You, as an employee, have a 1st amendment right to say what you please (there are limits I know). The "college" nor the government cannot stop you. The college may however terminate your employment.

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    MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,695 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MWallace said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @MWallace said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @coinbuf said:

    @MWallace said:

    1st amendment doesn't apply to private businesses.

    You agreed to the terms of service, there is no need for "due process" which, again, applies to public entities. A credit card company can charge late fees, for example, without "due process" because you've agreed to them when accepting the TOS.

    The 1st amendment may not apply to a "private business" (I've never heard a "business" say anything), but it applies to each and every citizen at that business.

    If I refuse to pay the credit card company the late fees, they do not have the authority to come to my home and take it. They can take me to court and a judge can have it, or my freedom, taken from me. The only authority the credit card company has is to cancel my card.

    They can hurt your credit rating and hurt your ability to get a loan.

    That is true. But fee wise, which is the subject, they can't just take it unless one lets them.

    They can take it because you've agreed to it in the terms. Your bank can take late fees directly out of your account without litigation. If you don't like Paypal's terms, don't agree to them.

    If there is no money in my account, they cannot come to my home and take it from me at gun point like the government can. I don't leave money in my PayPal account for the simple reason they are not FDIC. If they go out of business or go bankrupt, too bad.

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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is that like a POS writing the TOS , or just more misinformation ?

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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,053 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ElmerFusterpuck said:
    I did see that, it was for real and they did have to 'backpedal'. The 'incorrect info' line was BS. IMHO they were just testing the waters; I'm betting they will be back in the future with a 'revised' policy. Amusing to see some bunker mentality postings here, we can choose whether or not we want to walk away from them, it's not a forced choice.

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