What if just enough new folks bought some ase proofs and liked them shared with a couple friends and maybe that’s where we’ll picking up new collectors 😉🙀🦫
Not to mention maybe some of that GameStop or bitcoin money.
I just had a thought about the availability of these coins. As I said before, this year the mint is planning new tricks to game the gamers. l learned many marketing tricks from some of the best. Ty Warner's Princess Beanie Baby scam, as simple as it was, allowed for an unbelievable markup when first released. As we have seen with the Silver Quarters Proof Sets all that were "available" at the on sale date were sold out by enrollments. Notice that it was only ""Not Available" and there was no sold out sign. Then a week later another batch became "available" and are still on sale. Another batch may also become "available". Could this also happen with the W Proof ASE ?
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
@HATTRICK said:
I just had a thought about the availability of these coins. As I said before, this year the mint is planning new tricks to game the gamers. l learned many marketing tricks from some of the best. Ty Warner's Princess Beanie Baby scam, as simple as it was, allowed for an unbelievable markup when first released. As we have seen with the Silver Quarters Proof Sets all that were "available" at the on sale date were sold out by enrollments. Notice that it was only ""Not Available" and there was no sold out sign. Then a week later another batch became "available" and are still on sale. Another batch may also become "available". Could this also happen with the W Proof ASE ?
It is possible though unlikely. The nearly 750,000 proof W ASE should more than meet actual demand. But just as with silver quarters proof set, there is no published product limit, so if they have the production ability and supplies they can legitimately mint as many as they want. The difference with the S quarters is there was a published product limit. It is possible, though VERY unlikely they could put more of the S mint quarters in say an uncirculated set of women's quarters or another product outside the rolls. Other than that 300k+/- is it.
@Jzyskowski1 said:
Not going to be a lot of the S clad proof quarters. 😉🦫🙀
I like the rarity of the S quarters relative to the P and D. I have not collected clad quarters (proof or uncirculated), but this has made me collect them.
@smuglr said:
It is possible though unlikely. The nearly 750,000 proof W ASE should more than meet actual demand. But just as with silver quarters proof set, there is no published product limit, so if they have the production ability and supplies they can legitimately mint as many as they want. The difference with the S quarters is there was a published product limit. It is possible, though VERY unlikely they could put more of the S mint quarters in say an uncirculated set of women's quarters or another product outside the rolls. Other than that 300k+/- is it.
The numismatic media has reported a 500,00 unit 'production/mintage' limit for the individual 2022 Proof-W ASE (i.e., 22EA). They cite "Mint officials" (reference #1) and "U.S. Mint spokesman Michael White" (reference #2), respectively, as their sources.
They have quoted "Mint Officials" before and something else happened. Probably the most likely thing to look for first is the sold out sign. However, the weekly sales numbers are not official until the full audit at the end of the year they are sold out or taken off sale.
I don't remember anything ( my memory is not the best) going on sale again after the sold out sign was posted.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
@HATTRICK said:
They have quoted "Mint Officials" before and something else happened. Probably the most likely thing to look for first is the sold out sign. However, the weekly sales numbers are not official until the full audit at the end of the year they are sold out or taken off sale.
I don't remember anything ( my memory is not the best) going on sale again after the sold out sign was posted.
OK
The best information we have right now indicates 500,000. However, as you astutely pointed out, we will have to wait for the 'final/audited' sales figures to determine the accuracy of this number.
@Jzyskowski1 said:
We are ready to give it a go.
Only the congratulations set. I feel that this is going to break the mint’s computer with in a minute.
😉🙀🦫🎣
I don't get it! This is the same coin as the ASE-W proof going the same day. 750,000 of them. People are trying to sell them for a $15 profit and no takers. What part is valuable? The cardboard? Does PCGS slab cardboard?
I don't get it! This is the same coin as the ASE-W proof going the same day. 750,000 of them. People are trying to sell them for a $15 profit and no takers. What part is valuable? The cardboard? Does PCGS slab cardboard?
PCGS does create coin numbers specifically for the "Congratulations Set". I assume that you have to submit a sealed box from the Mint to get one of them.
For 2022, the coin numbers that I could find are:
~ 892351 Base
~ 892352 First Strike
~ 892353 First Day of Issue
FWIW, PCGS does tend to issue multiple labels for modern ASE releases. Take, for example, the 2021-W Proof ASE, Type 1 (i.e., base coin #854426). PCGS issued 68 different labels for this coin.
@Jzyskowski1 said:
We are ready to give it a go.
Only the congratulations set. I feel that this is going to break the mint’s computer with in a minute.
😉🙀🦫🎣
I don't get it! This is the same coin as the ASE-W proof going the same day. 750,000 of them. People are trying to sell them for a $15 profit and no takers. What part is valuable? The cardboard? Does PCGS slab cardboard?
I don’t get it either. I reduced my enrollment to 1. After fees and shipping, there’s only a $10 profit here on eBay. Not worth the time and trouble.
@Jzyskowski1 said:
We are ready to give it a go.
Only the congratulations set. I feel that this is going to break the mint’s computer with in a minute.
😉🙀🦫🎣
I don't get it! This is the same coin as the ASE-W proof going the same day. 750,000 of them. People are trying to sell them for a $15 profit and no takers. What part is valuable? The cardboard? Does PCGS slab cardboard?
I don’t understand but here’s an example There’s prices all over but the congratulations set brings a premium 😉🙀🦫
Early release, first strike and fdoi are recognized and sought out, premium paid and collected. Recognizing limited edition set or congratulations is same same. 😉🙀🦫
I've got 10 silver eagles on pre-sale listed on BST. I'm guessing they may not see much interest untill after 11AM on Thursday. If they don't sell, I'll just put the 4 sealed boxes in my safe for another day.
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Must be missing something here. Looking at previous mintages/sales figures, these will be dogs despite the Mints hype about selling out enrollments. Lowered my enrollment last week to 2, freeing up 97. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, however cannot see how the Mint purports sellout at this point as customers are in adjustment mode with quantities.
I hope some of the folks canceling these huge enrollments marks a change. If everyone bought what they need from a collector perspective and not a resale view I think we will see there is no shortage at all. Flipping has come to be viewed as easy money, but with a mintage of several hundred thousand coins the easy money ship has sailed
@younique said:
Must be missing something here. Looking at previous mintages/sales figures, these will be dogs despite the Mints hype about selling out enrollments. ** Lowered my enrollment last week to 2, freeing up 97.** Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, however cannot see how the Mint purports sellout at this point as customers are in adjustment mode with quantities.
Even tho I have an enrollment for the 2022-W proof (just started that this year), and just got the test charge - so thats a relief, I want to thank you (and anyone else doing the same) for giving some folks an opportunity to grab 1 of these. clapclap
I added 2 to my 2022-W enrollment (up to 5), in the event I might want to trade for a couple 2022-S proofs, since I could not enroll for that. We'll see if there are any W proofs available to order 4/14 (I hope there are). I'll use that as a potential test to what to expect for the 2022-S proof availability when that comes out.
@J2035 said:
Credit card just charged for enrollment of 1.
Same
I just checked the USM Order history page and my enrollments are being processed and my cc has also been charged. I guess we will find out if there will be a demand for these on Thursday. Worse case, they go in my safe as unopened boxes. All is good either way.
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With last years S proof ase selling for $82 doesn’t really matter. They’ll sell 700,000w proofs , barely move 200,000S proof and if you miss it just eBay one for $3-5 more. 😉🙀🦫
(. None of this makes sense. My personal feelings about the 2-coin type 1 & 2 Reverse Proof ase set last year is so beautiful , stunning and absolutely not a winner 🧐. Ridiculous 🤨)
@younique said:
Will be interesting to know if all enrollments were reduced to 10 They have been billing enrollments already for quantities greater than 10. FYI
The driver of higher prices is a very limited mintage with high demand by the big dealers for sealed boxes. The big dealers now have access to all the coins they need as you can see by the few and cheap offers. As I warned before, lookout for some new tricks this year to drive the "flippers" out of the market. What you don't know will hurt you.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
I didn't see a charge against my card for the ASE W proofs, tho friends had, so I looked at my USMint purchases and see ENROLLMENT BACKORDER. Why are they backordering enrollments, when some people were still able to sign up till a few weeks ago? (I did not just sign up, for clarification).
The mint's distribution program works like a spinning wheel and it depends on which space you land on. Just ask bullsitter, he knows all about that. Either that or they needed more first release coins for the big boys, but don't expect a thank you for your sacrifice.
Remember "the mint is like a box of chocolates."
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
@SilverAge3 said:
I didn't see a charge against my card for the ASE W proofs, tho friends had, so I looked at my USMint purchases and see ENROLLMENT BACKORDER. Why are they backordering enrollments, when some people were still able to sign up till a few weeks ago? (I did not just sign up, for clarification).
Ran across this in a JAN-2022 Coin World article:
"U.S. Mint officials indicate the 500,000 Proof 2022-W silver American Eagles are targeted to be shipped in two different waves." Source
Do not know if this is still the case, but it would explain the backorder.
Good catch. That is most likely the reason for backorders but I put my enrollment in on the last day it was up.
I can not tell you why I am getting mine first.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
I hope they finally release a true-to-their-nature edition of ASE, with lady liberty in clown regalia.
I remember the one time I paid 21 bucks for expedited delivery, trying to get Early Release on a graded piece -- they switched me to backorder for 2 1/2 months. -_____-
I decided to reduce my enrollment to 2, considering rolling it to 1. Only reason I'm still wanting a second at this point is to trade for an S proof, but no guarantee there it will work out.
Does anyone know how many of these proofs are already produced. If the mint is having trouble getting planchets, is it possible this proof could surprise people and be a real low mintage?
@Golden1 said:
Does anyone know how many of these proofs are already produced. If the mint is having trouble getting planchets, is it possible this proof could surprise people and be a real low mintage?
No chance these will be available for backorder purchase tomorrow. Since they are planning a second wave I would believe they have or expect to have plenty of planchets to produce a boatload of these coins.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
This could add some fun. I computed the time difference and it’ll arrive between 4am and noon. Just in time for it’s 2 cents worth of electronic confusion to be occurring
during ordering 😉🙀🦫
@OLC said:
Has anybody tried cancelling their subscription today. I tried yesterday and was told they were unable to.
According to the disclaimer under ‘My Product Enrollment’, any changes to the current enrollment had to be done by 11:59 PM ET 2 days prior to the product scheduled release date for updates to be reflected on your next shipment. Therefore, you would have had until April 12th at the aforementioned time to make any changes to your current enrollment.
Here is the text of the disclaimer:
“If you would like to modify product enrollments or payment methods, please do so by 11:59 PM ET 2 days prior to the product scheduled release date for updates to be reflected on your next shipment. All other updates will be reflected on the next scheduled ship date for each program.”
"What we are never changes, but who we are ... never stops changing."
That last phrase is where some of us figured out we could adjust quantity as long as we did it couple few days ahead of release. For this one I adjusted to zero and kept my enrollment. Couple days I’ll run it back up to 4 for next year’s decision about what I need. 😉🙀🦫
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What if just enough new folks bought some ase proofs and liked them shared with a couple friends and maybe that’s where we’ll picking up new collectors 😉🙀🦫
Not to mention maybe some of that GameStop or bitcoin money.
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
Bullion Shark does have some good prices. Some are very reasonable.
I just had a thought about the availability of these coins. As I said before, this year the mint is planning new tricks to game the gamers. l learned many marketing tricks from some of the best. Ty Warner's Princess Beanie Baby scam, as simple as it was, allowed for an unbelievable markup when first released. As we have seen with the Silver Quarters Proof Sets all that were "available" at the on sale date were sold out by enrollments. Notice that it was only ""Not Available" and there was no sold out sign. Then a week later another batch became "available" and are still on sale. Another batch may also become "available". Could this also happen with the W Proof ASE ?
It is possible though unlikely. The nearly 750,000 proof W ASE should more than meet actual demand. But just as with silver quarters proof set, there is no published product limit, so if they have the production ability and supplies they can legitimately mint as many as they want. The difference with the S quarters is there was a published product limit. It is possible, though VERY unlikely they could put more of the S mint quarters in say an uncirculated set of women's quarters or another product outside the rolls. Other than that 300k+/- is it.
Not going to be a lot of the S clad proof quarters. 😉🦫🙀
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
I like the rarity of the S quarters relative to the P and D. I have not collected clad quarters (proof or uncirculated), but this has made me collect them.
The numismatic media has reported a 500,00 unit 'production/mintage' limit for the individual 2022 Proof-W ASE (i.e., 22EA). They cite "Mint officials" (reference #1) and "U.S. Mint spokesman Michael White" (reference #2), respectively, as their sources.
Reference #1 (Coin World)
Reference #2 (CoinNews.net)
Admittedly, the Mint has not updated the 'product page' with these figures.
They have quoted "Mint Officials" before and something else happened. Probably the most likely thing to look for first is the sold out sign. However, the weekly sales numbers are not official until the full audit at the end of the year they are sold out or taken off sale.
I don't remember anything ( my memory is not the best) going on sale again after the sold out sign was posted.
OK
The best information we have right now indicates 500,000. However, as you astutely pointed out, we will have to wait for the 'final/audited' sales figures to determine the accuracy of this number.
Good luck to everyone fighting for scraps on Thursday. Try for the Congratulations set they will go fast. Be locked and loaded at 12:00.
We are ready to give it a go.
Only the congratulations set. I feel that this is going to break the mint’s computer with in a minute.
😉🙀🦫🎣
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
I don't get it! This is the same coin as the ASE-W proof going the same day. 750,000 of them. People are trying to sell them for a $15 profit and no takers. What part is valuable? The cardboard? Does PCGS slab cardboard?
PCGS does create coin numbers specifically for the "Congratulations Set". I assume that you have to submit a sealed box from the Mint to get one of them.
For 2022, the coin numbers that I could find are:
~ 892351 Base
~ 892352 First Strike
~ 892353 First Day of Issue
FWIW, PCGS does tend to issue multiple labels for modern ASE releases. Take, for example, the 2021-W Proof ASE, Type 1 (i.e., base coin #854426). PCGS issued 68 different labels for this coin.
I don’t get it either. I reduced my enrollment to 1. After fees and shipping, there’s only a $10 profit here on eBay. Not worth the time and trouble.
I don’t understand but here’s an example There’s prices all over but the congratulations set brings a premium 😉🙀🦫
Early release, first strike and fdoi are recognized and sought out, premium paid and collected. Recognizing limited edition set or congratulations is same same. 😉🙀🦫
Yes they slab cardboard/ paper COA’s
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
Anyone care to explain this 😉🙀🦫
Only 100,000’s less than W proof 🤨
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
I've got 10 silver eagles on pre-sale listed on BST. I'm guessing they may not see much interest untill after 11AM on Thursday. If they don't sell, I'll just put the 4 sealed boxes in my safe for another day.
USN & USAF retired 1971-1993
Successful Transactions with more than 100 Members
Must be missing something here. Looking at previous mintages/sales figures, these will be dogs despite the Mints hype about selling out enrollments. Lowered my enrollment last week to 2, freeing up 97. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, however cannot see how the Mint purports sellout at this point as customers are in adjustment mode with quantities.
I canceled my enrollment for 20 coins. Not worth the trouble.
Credit card just charged for enrollment of 1.
I hope some of the folks canceling these huge enrollments marks a change. If everyone bought what they need from a collector perspective and not a resale view I think we will see there is no shortage at all. Flipping has come to be viewed as easy money, but with a mintage of several hundred thousand coins the easy money ship has sailed
Pinehurst just dropped their buy price to $76. $3 premium. Only buy what you want to keep. Like real coins, not flip bait.
Same
Even tho I have an enrollment for the 2022-W proof (just started that this year), and just got the test charge - so thats a relief, I want to thank you (and anyone else doing the same) for giving some folks an opportunity to grab 1 of these. clapclap
I added 2 to my 2022-W enrollment (up to 5), in the event I might want to trade for a couple 2022-S proofs, since I could not enroll for that. We'll see if there are any W proofs available to order 4/14 (I hope there are). I'll use that as a potential test to what to expect for the 2022-S proof availability when that comes out.
I just checked the USM Order history page and my enrollments are being processed and my cc has also been charged. I guess we will find out if there will be a demand for these on Thursday. Worse case, they go in my safe as unopened boxes. All is good either way.
USN & USAF retired 1971-1993
Successful Transactions with more than 100 Members
With last years S proof ase selling for $82 doesn’t really matter. They’ll sell 700,000w proofs , barely move 200,000S proof and if you miss it just eBay one for $3-5 more. 😉🙀🦫
(. None of this makes sense. My personal feelings about the 2-coin type 1 & 2 Reverse Proof ase set last year is so beautiful , stunning and absolutely not a winner 🧐. Ridiculous 🤨)
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
Kept my 25 coin subscription. I'm happy 😁
One of the benefits of being broke, I don't have to sweat Mint offerings.
Interesting. Mints website now shows order limit of 10 for the W Proof Silver Eagle. I also have a subscription that says backordered.
Will be interesting to know if all enrollments were reduced to 10.
IIRC from last year, the "household order limit" does not impact enrollments.
It only affects the people ordering from the website.
The driver of higher prices is a very limited mintage with high demand by the big dealers for sealed boxes. The big dealers now have access to all the coins they need as you can see by the few and cheap offers. As I warned before, lookout for some new tricks this year to drive the "flippers" out of the market. What you don't know will hurt you.
Not related to hhl. Quarter enrollments just reduced by the Mint.
I didn't see a charge against my card for the ASE W proofs, tho friends had, so I looked at my USMint purchases and see ENROLLMENT BACKORDER. Why are they backordering enrollments, when some people were still able to sign up till a few weeks ago? (I did not just sign up, for clarification).
The mint's distribution program works like a spinning wheel and it depends on which space you land on. Just ask bullsitter, he knows all about that.
Either that or they needed more first release coins for the big boys, but don't expect a thank you for your sacrifice. 
Remember "the mint is like a box of chocolates."
My enrollment is processing and credit card charged. Will sit back and watch the madness on Thursday.
I'll wait for delivery each day until three, oh postman won't you bring my ASE's to me.
Ran across this in a JAN-2022 Coin World article:
"U.S. Mint officials indicate the 500,000 Proof 2022-W silver American Eagles are targeted to be shipped in two different waves."
Source
Do not know if this is still the case, but it would explain the backorder.
MetroD
Good catch. That is most likely the reason for backorders but I put my enrollment in on the last day it was up.
I can not tell you why I am getting mine first.
I hope they finally release a true-to-their-nature edition of ASE, with lady liberty in clown regalia.
I remember the one time I paid 21 bucks for expedited delivery, trying to get Early Release on a graded piece -- they switched me to backorder for 2 1/2 months. -_____-
I decided to reduce my enrollment to 2, considering rolling it to 1. Only reason I'm still wanting a second at this point is to trade for an S proof, but no guarantee there it will work out.
Close as your going to get 😉🙀🦫
Got too much respect for Lady Liberty 🤨
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
Good point. Maybe we can get a new quarter series focused on clowns, at least.
Unbelievable!
there is only a powerball chance of finding someone to trade a W for an S, but I'm not going to say it is impossible,
considering the aftermarket prices, you'd probably pay less for the S on ebay than you would for a W from the mint plus shipping and hassle.
Does anyone know how many of these proofs are already produced. If the mint is having trouble getting planchets, is it possible this proof could surprise people and be a real low mintage?
No chance these will be available for backorder purchase tomorrow. Since they are planning a second wave I would believe they have or expect to have plenty of planchets to produce a boatload of these coins.
This could add some fun. I computed the time difference and it’ll arrive between 4am and noon. Just in time for it’s 2 cents worth of electronic confusion to be occurring
during ordering 😉🙀🦫
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
Has anybody tried cancelling their subscription today. I tried yesterday and was told they were unable to.
According to the disclaimer under ‘My Product Enrollment’, any changes to the current enrollment had to be done by 11:59 PM ET 2 days prior to the product scheduled release date for updates to be reflected on your next shipment. Therefore, you would have had until April 12th at the aforementioned time to make any changes to your current enrollment.
Here is the text of the disclaimer:
“If you would like to modify product enrollments or payment methods, please do so by 11:59 PM ET 2 days prior to the product scheduled release date for updates to be reflected on your next shipment. All other updates will be reflected on the next scheduled ship date for each program.”
That last phrase is where some of us figured out we could adjust quantity as long as we did it couple few days ahead of release. For this one I adjusted to zero and kept my enrollment. Couple days I’ll run it back up to 4 for next year’s decision about what I need. 😉🙀🦫
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶