I guess This Is My Next Area of Collecting.....Heraldic Art Medals

coinsarefun · December 11, 2021 7:27PM

Thanks Joey!

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@joeykoins said:
Wow, very charismatic collection. Good going girl!

Zoins · December 12, 2021 5:24AM

@coinsarefun said:
1969 Dwight D Eisenhower Heraldic Art Medal

Congrats Stef!

It's nice to see the Paul Vincze medal mentioned by Gino Sanfilippo.

I wonder why Bob McNamara chose to work with Vincze on this medal but not others.

Goldminers · December 23, 2021 6:21PM

@GoldenEgg said:
The last one is a US Mint National Commemorative Medal. I believe the mintage was 10,000, struck by the Philly Mint. Worth roughly $15 - $20.

And a miracle occurred. Just after these comments on that last NCM one that Stef posted above. I just found a 1967 Alaska centennial platinum set in Fairbanks, Alaska #96 of 100 total minted. This was a major key addition to my most important set of National Commemorative Medals of the US Mint. It is at our hosts, and I am desperately waiting for the TrueView and gem ++ grade.

And to add to the thread, just bought a nice raw, hard to find 1976 Olde Northfield Heraldic art medal with envelope and joined TAMS as my Christmas present. In a couple months this one will be a TrueView if all goes well. We really need to get all these into a registry set for 2022.

coinsarefun · December 23, 2021 6:41PM

Sounds like your having one great Christmas!! Congrat's

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Ive been searching for a Northfield for a long time but every time I've come across one they want uber money
Also, near my hometown is the Warrensville heights one. Also quite expensive......ahhhh. one day I will stumble
across them at an affordable price

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@Goldminers said:

@GoldenEgg said:
The last one is a US Mint National Commemorative Medal. I believe the mintage was 10,000, struck by the Philly Mint. Worth roughly $15 - $20.

And a miracle occurred. Just after these comments on that last NCM one that Stef posted above. I just found a 1967 Alaska platinum set in Fairbanks, Alaska #96 of 100 total minted. This was a major key addition to my most important set of National Commemorative Medals of the US Mint. It is at our hosts, and I am desperately waiting for the TrueView and gem ++ grade.

And to add to the thread, just bought a nice raw, hard to find 1976 Olde Northfield Heraldic art medal with envelope and joined TAMS as my Christmas present. In a couple months this one will be a TrueView if all goes well. We really need to get all these into a registry set for 2022.

Zoins · December 24, 2021 10:47AM

@Goldminers said:

@GoldenEgg said:
The last one is a US Mint National Commemorative Medal. I believe the mintage was 10,000, struck by the Philly Mint. Worth roughly $15 - $20.

And a miracle occurred. Just after these comments on that last NCM one that Stef posted above. I just found a 1967 Alaska centennial platinum set in Fairbanks, Alaska #96 of 100 total minted. This was a major key addition to my most important set of National Commemorative Medals of the US Mint. It is at our hosts, and I am desperately waiting for the TrueView and gem ++ grade.

Amazing and congrats! I've been collecting Alaska Centennial medals for a while and have a bunch. I think this is an area that needs a good reference book as well. It's great to see this in Platinum!

Zoins · December 24, 2021 10:52AM

@Goldminers said:
We really need to get all these into a registry set for 2022.

You can set up a Showcase set now, but I'm not sure what it takes for PCGS to create a competitive set. While grades for many of these are high, it could be interesting to create more demand, especially the condition census and rare ones.

It could be cool to have a Registry Set award for Heraldic Art medals.

What do you think it should cover? Seems like silver, gold and silver+gold for the standard issues is a no-brainer. Other items include:

varieties
special issues
private issues (like the Western Reserve Numismatic Club issues)
non-half dollar-like issues (like the Federal Coin Exchange issues)

Goldminers · December 24, 2021 6:51PM

@Zoins said:

@Goldminers said:
We really need to get all these into a registry set for 2022.

You can set up a Showcase set now, but I'm not sure what it takes for PCGS to create a competitive set. While grades for many of these are high, it could be interesting to create more demand, especially the condition census and rare ones.

It could be cool to have a Registry Set award for Heraldic Art medals.

What do you think it should cover? Seems like silver, gold and silver+gold for the standard issues is a no-brainer. Other items include:

varieties

special issues

private issues (like the Western Reserve Numismatic Club issues)

non-half dollar-like issues (like the Federal Coin Exchange issues)

I think that sounds like a very good approach. Get the main sets you mentioned setup and a lot more will be graded making it a win for collectors and PCGS.

Plus, the digital album of them would look great and it is automatically available. Some price guide and auction values would be a plus, as some of these do vary significantly with condition and remaining scarcity.

One drawback is the $30 currently charged for medals to be graded under $300 value is just too high for some of the common ones, and there should be some rationalization of that fee. Since these don't need a lot of extra research like older medals there should be a "modern medal" grading fee that is lower, similar to coins. I won't send mine in for grading until either that occurs, or a quarterly grading special is announced for medals.

Zoins · December 29, 2021 3:31PM

@coinsarefun said:
Sounds like your having one great Christmas!! Congrat's

Ive been searching for a Northfield for a long time but every time I've come across one they want uber money
Also, near my hometown is the Warrensville heights one. Also quite expensive......ahhhh. one day I will stumble
across them at an affordable price

@Goldminers said:

@GoldenEgg said:
The last one is a US Mint National Commemorative Medal. I believe the mintage was 10,000, struck by the Philly Mint. Worth roughly $15 - $20.

And a miracle occurred. Just after these comments on that last NCM one that Stef posted above. I just found a 1967 Alaska platinum set in Fairbanks, Alaska #96 of 100 total minted. This was a major key addition to my most important set of National Commemorative Medals of the US Mint. It is at our hosts, and I am desperately waiting for the TrueView and gem ++ grade.

And to add to the thread, just bought a nice raw, hard to find 1976 Olde Northfield Heraldic art medal with envelope and joined TAMS as my Christmas present. In a couple months this one will be a TrueView if all goes well. We really need to get all these into a registry set for 2022.

Someone has a nice Northfield here! This one isn't in a Registry Set yet.

Is there a known mintage or estimated survivor count for this?

coinsarefun · December 30, 2021 6:28AM

@zoins that would be mine now. I made arrangements to own that one but was waiting till it arrived along with
another one I bought.

Zoins · December 30, 2021 6:30AM

@coinsarefun said:
@zoins that would be mine now. I made arrangements to own that one but was waiting till it arrived along with
another one I bought.

Wow! Congrat Stef! You are a collecting wizardess!

I was hoping to help you by posting it and you already bought it!

coinsarefun · December 30, 2021 10:55PM

@Zoins My package arrived today and now I own the
1976 SC50C Northfield Historical Society Ag Heraldic Art Medal PCGS MS68
I'm not sure on the mintage but am waiting a response from someone who knows these quite well
This is my image
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And, this is the trueview
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I was also able to pickup a
1971 Silver 1ST Thanksgiving Heraldic Art Medals NGC MS69 Not an easy task to find nice

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I was also able to obtain a nice high grade raw
1963 WEST VIRGINIA STATEHOOD HERALDIC ART MEDAL
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Whoever I was extremely disappointed I lost a certain one I wanted because I was busy and forgot.
I'm truly hoping my source will have one for me to post soon.

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I do have a few more on its way to me and will post them when they arrive

coinsarefun · December 31, 2021 8:04PM

The last one for this year was delivered tonight(New Years Eve)

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On April 9, 1865, generals Ulysses S. Grant and Robert E. Lee met in Wilmer McLean’s parlor at Appomattox Courthouse to sign the documents that would dictate the surrender of the most important national institution in the Confederacy—the Army of Northern Virginia.

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1965 Appomattox Centennial Of The Civil War Heraldic Art Medal

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Goldminers · January 2, 2022 12:33PM

Your photos (and medals) are so perfect!!!
I have a few early ones in this holder, but just don't want to remove them for grading, yet. Yes, the Hawaii is rotated.

coinsarefun · January 2, 2022 12:41PM

I'm debating on finding an holder like you have @Goldminers Or just break down and submit all of them into PCGS for grading and start a set. But, the fees with images are ridiculous for an entire set.
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I see yours and it looks great! By the way are there 2 different Hoover Comems?
Your has a different reverse than mine.

coinsarefun · January 2, 2022 12:42PM

I'm also thinking to start a new thread and list what I have a don't have so I can keep track and if someone has extra's they could sell me.

coinkid855 · January 2, 2022 3:12PM

Very cool collection! I had the same experience discovering Heraldic Art Medals! I took it probably a bit too far and ended up buying a complete set of dies and using them to strike 30 complete copper restrike sets.

I still have 48 dies left too.

Paul

coinsarefun · January 2, 2022 5:37PM

@coinkid855 said:
Very cool collection! I had the same experience discovering Heraldic Art Medals! I took it probably a bit too far and ended up buying a complete set of dies and using them to strike 30 complete copper restrike sets.

I still have 48 dies left too.

Paul

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Forgive me because I remember when when you did this quite some time ago but how did it become available to you and why did you do a complete strike in copper.? Just wondering.......no malice whatsoever.
And, how many dies do you have left and were any/all defaced? Or are there other dies out there?

Namvet69 · January 2, 2022 5:51PM

How cool is that to have your own set of dies. I can only imagine. Can these dies still be used to strike silver planchets? Peace Roy

coinkid855 · January 3, 2022 3:29AM

All of the dies were defaced in some way. Usually just a couple scratches. Only copper restrikes were made per the agreement I signed with the seller. I still have around 48 pairs of the dies.

Paul

coinkid855 · January 3, 2022 8:03AM

Here's a list of the dies I still own:

Alaska Statehood
Hawaii Statehood
St Lawrence Seaway
Pony Express
Boy Scouts
Pioneer Inventions
Kansas Statehood
Civil War Centennial
Louisiana Statehood
U.S.S. Constitution
Girl Scouts
Battle of Lake Erie
New Jersey Tercentenary
Nevada Centennial
Founding of St. Louis
St. Augustine
Eli Whitney
Indiana Statehood
Great Eastern
Winfield Scott
Nebraska Statehood
Kosciuszko
Benjamin Silliman
Illinois Statehood
San Diego Bicentennial
Charleston, S.C.
Nathan B. Palmer
Stephen Decatur
Yellowstone Park
Florida Territory
Marquette - Joliet
Monroe Doctrine
Steel Century
1774 / Sam Adams
Erie Canal
Luther Burbank
1775/Washington CIC
Colorado Statehood
1776
1777 / Valley Forge
LaSalle
Edison
1778 / French Alliance
Dag Hammarsksjold
John Glenn - Mercury Telstar
John F. Kennedy
Herbert Hoover
Adlai Stevenson

Goldminers · January 3, 2022 9:05AM

@coinsarefun said:
I'm debating on finding a holder like you have @Goldminers Or just break down and submit all of them into PCGS for grading and start a set. But, the fees with images are ridiculous for an entire set.
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I see yours and it looks great! By the way are there 2 different Hoover Comems?
Yours has a different reverse than mine.

I agree, paying $30 each plus handling and shipping to grade the common medals worth less than $100 each is a tough sell, which is why I am still avoiding grading or crossing over the few that I have.

I am still missing about 25 of these, so I have also been looking for nice examples of the ones I don't have. The 1959 Hawaii and St. Lawrence had thin versions with 192 grains of .925 silver, and thick versions with 262 grains, like most all the other regular medals. There were a few with rotated reverses, like the Hawaii in my capital holder posted above.

I don't own a Hoover, but I do see these 2 reverses pictured on the web.

Zoins · January 3, 2022 9:21AM

@coinsarefun said:
I'm also thinking to start a new thread and list what I have a don't have so I can keep track and if someone has extra's they could sell me.

That would be a great thread. Have you thought of posting one on the BST?

coinsarefun · January 3, 2022 9:31AM

@coinkid855 said:
All of the dies were defaced in some way. Usually just a couple scratches. Only copper restrikes were made per the agreement I signed with the seller. I still have around 48 pairs of the dies.

Paul

@coinkid855 said:
All of the dies were defaced in some way. Usually just a couple scratches. Only copper restrikes were made per the agreement I signed with the seller. I still have around 48 pairs of the dies.

Paul

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I think it might be neat to own a copper version along side the silver. Do you have a website or place you list them for sale?
I would like a copper mate to go along with the original silver version. I see several of sale on eBay but they are errors..
Wouldn’t want those.
You mentioned that you have Hoover ….. what does the reverse dies look like?
I noticed while searching there are two but never read that anywhere.

Thanks.

coinkid855 · January 3, 2022 9:34AM

The second one is actually the JFK reverse.

coinkid855 · January 3, 2022 9:35AM

@coinsarefun said:

@coinkid855 said:
All of the dies were defaced in some way. Usually just a couple scratches. Only copper restrikes were made per the agreement I signed with the seller. I still have around 48 pairs of the dies.

Paul

@coinkid855 said:
All of the dies were defaced in some way. Usually just a couple scratches. Only copper restrikes were made per the agreement I signed with the seller. I still have around 48 pairs of the dies.

Paul

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I think it might be neat to own a copper version along side the silver. Do you have a website or place you list them for sale?
I would like a copper mate to go along with the original silver version. I see several of sale on eBay but they are errors..
Wouldn’t want those.
You mentioned that you have Hoover ….. what does the reverse dies look like?
I noticed while searching there are two but never read that anywhere.

Thanks.

I will DM you. I unfortunately do not think I have any individual coppers for sale. I sold everything except those I wanted to keep.

Paul

coinsarefun · January 3, 2022 9:48AM

@coinkid855 said:
The second one is actually the JFK reverse.

Oh, so the collection online here is misleading and I feel better I have the real om….lol

Mine

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coinkid855 · January 3, 2022 12:10PM

Maybe try refreshing? I see it correctly on my end.

Goldminers · January 3, 2022 3:36PM

Since I do not own a Hoover or the NGC set referenced, if I ever find one to purchase at a good price, I will take whatever version shows up. Maybe that was a mule?

leothelyon · January 4, 2022 3:29AM

One moment while at a public auction, I took up collecting old buttons. And there were these boards of Victoria and Edwardian era buttons. One of particular interest was of of old fairy takes and another of lions. Next thing I knew, I had to have some buttons. Sounds kind of crazy at the time but I ended up with 3 boards of buttons.....while bidding against a few....well seasoned women. But somehow, for some reason, I had to have lions.

Leo

coinsarefun · January 8, 2022 4:01PM

My two latest pickups.

1970 VALOR AT TRIPOLI STEPHEN DECATUR Heraldic Art Medal
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1972 Yellowstone Centennial Heraldic Art Medal

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coinsarefun · January 11, 2022 1:11AM

I picked up some copper re-strikes. Thanks to @coinkid855

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ZoidMeister · January 11, 2022 4:33AM

The planchets look a tad smaller. Do those have reeded edges?

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coinkid855 · January 11, 2022 6:33AM

@ZoidMeister said:
The planchets look a tad smaller. Do those have reeded edges?

Z

No, they are lettered. They say "2017 RESTRIKE"

Zoins · January 11, 2022 6:39AM

Here's a great pair I picked up from @coinkid855! Thanks!

I'm a big fan of full brockage errors, which seem especially common with Civil War Tokens. I couldn't resist picking up this pair with both pieces together!

Zoins · January 11, 2022 6:41AM

This is my Boy Scouts die pair. I couldn't resist picking this up as I spent many years of my life as a Boy Scout and am an Eagle Scout.

coinkid855 · January 11, 2022 7:26AM

@Zoins said:
Here's a great pair I picked up from @coinkid855! Thanks!

I'm a big fan of full brockage errors, which seem especially common with Civil War Tokens. I couldn't resist picking up this pair with both pieces together!

Such an awesome piece!

coinsarefun · January 22, 2022 12:19AM

Picked up another St. Lawrence Seaway, thin planchet.
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coinsarefun · February 5, 2022 5:36PM

Here are a few new pickups. The Kennedy is difficult to find and when you do they want way to much for it......
At least IMO, they do And to find this one in its own holder with some paperwork. I don't believe is part of Heraldic Art Medals paperwork but sure is uber cool.

And @Goldminers you may find this reverse interesting.......lol It belongs to Kennedy not Hoover as NGC has it.

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The next one is also a bit more difficult to find but awfully pretty die work,
1962 Heraldic Art Medals Project Mercury World Satellite Communication

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DrDarryl · February 6, 2022 7:02AM

https://money.org/collector/drdarryl/blog/hawaii-so-called-50c-low-volcano-vs-high-volcano-variety

Thin 2.18mm planchet.
Thick 3.00mm planchet.

I never had the opportunity to weigh un-slabbed specimens.

coinsarefun · February 6, 2022 10:12AM

I find the variations quite interesting and happy to see NGC noting as such. I wonder if PCGS will do the same.
I have a low and high version of the volcano. I think I also have thick and thin versions too.

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@DrDarryl said:
https://money.org/collector/drdarryl/blog/hawaii-so-called-50c-low-volcano-vs-high-volcano-variety

Thin 2.18mm planchet.
Thick 3.00mm planchet.

I never had the opportunity to weigh un-slabbed specimens.

Goldminers · February 6, 2022 7:05PM

@DrDarryl and @coinsarefun,

You have some beautiful examples, and it is great to see the other additional Hawaii varieties documented.

I did just get my raw 1976 Olde Northfield back from PCGS in a Gold Shield holder, but the images are taking a while. It had quite a few die-polish lines, but it graded well.

It is another good example of a medal you want to take the photo at a slight angle, so the lines "disappear".

coinsarefun · February 6, 2022 7:19PM

@Goldminers said:
@DrDarryl and @coinsarefun,

You have some beautiful examples, and it is great to see the other additional Hawaii varieties documented.

I did just get my raw 1976 Olde Northfield back from PCGS in a Gold Shield holder, but the images are taking a while. It had quite a few die-polish lines, but it graded well.

It is another good example of a medal you want to take the photo at a slight angle, so the lines "disappear".

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May I ask what it graded?

DrDarryl · February 7, 2022 4:56AM

Hawaii Statehood dies (low volcano) prior to encapsulation. Currently NGC encapsulated in my collection.

Goldminers · February 7, 2022 9:22AM

@coinsarefun said:

@Goldminers said:
@DrDarryl and @coinsarefun,

You have some beautiful examples, and it is great to see the other additional Hawaii varieties documented.

I did just get my raw 1976 Olde Northfield back from PCGS in a Gold Shield holder, but the images are taking a while. It had quite a few die-polish lines, but it graded well.

It is another good example of a medal you want to take the photo at a slight angle, so the lines "disappear".

May I ask what it graded?

Sorry Stef, it graded MS68 to tie with your top pop.

coinsarefun · February 7, 2022 10:00AM

Why sorry? I’m glad it at least did a 68. We are in good company of each other.
Please post the trueview whenever it arrives.
Congratulations!

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@Goldminers said:

@coinsarefun said:

@Goldminers said:
@DrDarryl and @coinsarefun,

You have some beautiful examples, and it is great to see the other additional Hawaii varieties documented.

I did just get my raw 1976 Olde Northfield back from PCGS in a Gold Shield holder, but the images are taking a while. It had quite a few die-polish lines, but it graded well.

It is another good example of a medal you want to take the photo at a slight angle, so the lines "disappear".

May I ask what it graded?

Sorry Stef, it graded MS68 to tie with your top pop.

coinsarefun · February 9, 2022 11:21PM

Well, I added a few really nice Heraldic Art medals today. The first one is
1961 Warrensville Heights Coin Club NGC MS68
Extremely rare and only a few made this year. And was only made for 3-4 years but this is the only one with the reverse of Cleveland. Growing up and going to grade school in Warrensville Heights, this is a special treat for me. And…. The club is still semi around today!

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It pairs very nicely with my Western Reserve Numismatic Club PCGS MS68

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And rounding off all the club medals of where I grew up is the
1976 SC50C Northfield Historical Society Ag Heraldic Art Medal PCGS MS68
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Then my second piece that arrived today is 1976 Heraldic Art Medal Colorado Statehood Centennial NGC MS69
Just another super nice, well executed piece of art.
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coinsarefun · February 14, 2022 8:27PM

Well, these keep showing up in my mailbox
I think this makes 4 now. But this one has the most die polish lines out of all 4.
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1959 Hawaii Admitted to The Union Heraldic Art Medal Coin Turn thick flan

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Goldminers · February 23, 2022 5:49AM

After a long wait, this Olde Northfield has a decent strike and PCGS did a good job on the True View.

coinsarefun · February 23, 2022 7:43AM

What a fantastic example!. Just a touch of toning to show its age. I love it.

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@Goldminers said:
After a long wait, this Olde Northfield has a decent strike and PCGS did a good job on the True View.

Goldminers · March 21, 2022 9:57AM

#60 last of the series. 1978.

I guess This Is My Next Area of Collecting.....Heraldic Art Medals

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