Will it straight grade ?

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• jgenn Posts: 762 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 29, 2022 8:49PM

  It sorta looks like it has a reeded edge. Needs authentication first before worrying about grading.

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• jgenn Posts: 762 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 29, 2022 8:56PM edited January 29, 2022 9:03PM

  I'm not an expert on these but I don't like the looks on this one. Can't find a slabbed example with that much of a hook on the end of the J in assayer's initial. Dentils look bad. The snake should have an open mouth. Lots of red flags.

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• TwoKopeiki Posts: 9,874 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 30, 2022 7:36AM

  @jgenn said:
  It sorta looks like it has a reeded edge. Needs authentication first before worrying about grading.

  The rims also appear to be upset indicating a collared strike, which would not be the case in 1829 at Mexico City.

  If metal is correct composition, I'd call this a modern numismatic forgery. Sorry Dan.

  
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• Early_Milled_Latin_America Posts: 6,494 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 30, 2022 3:13PM

  Can you post images of the edge?

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• Early_Milled_Latin_America Posts: 6,494 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 30, 2022 3:14PM

  Maybe cleaned at some point in time not sure.

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• TwoKopeiki Posts: 9,874 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 30, 2022 3:31PM

  Additionally, if you look at the base of the center bottom ray, you'll see two small teeth - one on each side of the ray - that's an anti-counterfeiting feature introduced on standardized dies later in the 19th Century by Mexico City and then all other mints when they switched to using the standard dies. Needless to say, standardized dies were not yet used in 1829.

  
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  January 30, 2022 3:33PM edited January 30, 2022 3:40PM

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• TPRC Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 31, 2022 8:43AM

  I say yes ATS

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• TwoKopeiki Posts: 9,874 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 31, 2022 1:04PM

  The longer i look at it, the worse it gets. Check out the 8's on the obverse - two different punches used. One that correctly terminates down top left and the other one that incorrectly does it top right.

  

  
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• MasonG Posts: 6,263 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 31, 2022 6:00PM

  @TPRC said:
  I say yes ATS

  Why do you think they would straight grade a counterfeit?

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• TPRC Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 1, 2022 8:12AM

  @MasonG said:

  @TPRC said:
  I say yes ATS

  Why do you think they would straight grade a counterfeit?

  I have no reason to think it is counterfeit and, while I am no expert, it looks OK to me. I just think ATS is a bit softer on cleaning issues, and I think it has been cleaned. Still, it looks pretty decent from the photo. I almost said, 50-50 here, and yes ATS.

  Tom

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• MasonG Posts: 6,263 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 1, 2022 9:43AM

  I think the posts above bring up enough issues to call into question the authenticity of the coin and each would need to be addressed before accepting the coin as legitimate. A picture of the edge would help, it's unfortunate the OP hasn't returned to the thread to include one.

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• dizzlecc Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭

  February 1, 2022 11:56AM

  Located one I have, graded AU50. Mutiple differences especially with the date, assayer, and snake. Included pics for reference

  
  

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• TwoKopeiki Posts: 9,874 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 1, 2022 4:13PM edited February 1, 2022 4:43PM

  @dizzlecc said:
  Located one I have, graded AU50. Mutiple differences especially with the date, assayer, and snake. Included pics for reference

  
  

  Thanks for posting an example.

  
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